Tony Blair...

[saintfully]

Eh?

 

He ran a Tory government that called themselves "New Labour".

 

Watching him trying to defend the Iraq war has to be one of the most cringeworthy pieces of television for many years. Half of the justifications he is using now (and didn't use just before the invasion first happened) are illegal under international war.

 

Him and Bush were one of the most dangerous world leaders in modern history. A pairing who condemned Iraq (and now Iran) as terrorist havens with mere speculation and fabricated evidence, whilst giving their whole backing and support to an apartheid-practising, despicable Israeli regime, whose human rights atrocities currently rivalled those committed under Saddam

 

+1

 

Although I'm not entirely comfortable with direct comparison between Israel and Saddam... no Palestinian villages gassed yet - not far off, I agree, but still - there is a difference in the degree to which both regimes act(ed) in a disgusting manner... much like our alliance in Iraq.

[hypochondriac]

yes because that stopped the Tories allowing inequality to grow massively, tuition fees to be introduced and the country taken into a disasterous illegal war....oh

 

Much of that stuff would have happened whoever was in charge.

[JackFrost]

+1

 

Although I'm not entirely comfortable with direct comparison between Israel and Saddam... no Palestinian villages gassed yet - not far off, I agree, but still - there is a difference in the degree to which both regimes act(ed) in a disgusting manner... much like our alliance in Iraq.

 

No the Israelis used phosphorus instead.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Much of that stuff would have happened whoever was in charge.

 

what sort of **** poor defence is that?

[saintfully]

No the Israelis used phosphorus instead.

 

Yeah I know, and I also know that civilians in schools were targeted by tanks - but its still the case that the Israeli murders number in the hundreds, whereas Saddams number in the many 1000's. Does that make Saddams crime worse than the Israeli govts ? I would say that it must do, superficially at least.

 

Anyway, back to Bliar - what a monstrous c.unt. Agreed ?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

as brown steps down in the next few months..

 

those who championed blair, brown and nu labour should have a very hard look at themselves....probably the worst legacy left by a government in a generation or 5

 

Many of us 'Nu Labour' voters wanted change, a move away from a culture of fat cat, industrial/press baron greed. We now know that Bliar was too far to the right, in an effort to win the centre ground. All politicians lie, some more than others. With hindsight Bliar has turned out to be almost as corrupt and power mad as the Barmy Beatch.

 

Will I vote Tory at the next election?

Edited 31 January, 2010 by EastleighSoulBoy

[hypochondriac]

what sort of **** poor defence is that?

 

It's not a defence, I'm just making the point that they are all as bad as each other IMO. The sooner we get people in power who care about making the country better more than the latest opinion polls the better.

[JackFrost]

It's not a defence, I'm just making the point that they are all as bad as each other IMO. The sooner we get people in power who care about making the country better more than the latest opinion polls the better.

 

not understanding you, first of all it's ok for Labour to be in power no matter how bad they are simply because they'll keep the Tories out, now their all as bad as each other :confused:

 

We'll get one of three things after the next election,

 

1) a Tory government with a slight majority,

 

2) or a hung parliament, meaning the government will have to be formed through a coalition of Labour, Tories or Lib Dems (I don't know this but I should think the vast majority will be made up of Labour and the Tories) meaning we'll effectively get a Tory government.

 

3) or Brown will make a miraculous recovery and secure Labour another term, meaning we get a Tory government that call themselves "New Labour"

 

no wonder why a hell of a lot of people don't bother to vote.

[trousers]

Just listening to Blair on the Today programme on BBC Radio Four.... Is is just me that thinks he talks a lot of common sense...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlpplvzq02o

[Wade Garrett]

I haven't heard are read the whole interview but he's spot on with Labour failings.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

7 hours ago, trousers said:

Just listening to Blair on the Today programme on BBC Radio Four.... Is is just me that thinks he talks a lot of common sense...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlpplvzq02o

It's been a low bar for so long, that anyone with decent communication skills and fake sincerity would be a massive improvement.

I did catch a sound it's of him saying that the party needs to decide on it's direction, and then pick a leader. And that all candidates should be very clear on the direction they want to take, before voting.

Sadly, all the candidates will be trying to say as little as possible, in the most generic way, while briefing and back stabbing against the others.

I got the impression, even in those 2 mins, he was hinting that the left of Corbyn was unelectable. Anyone near it, may find it exactly the same.

[benjii]

He does talk sense sometimes, but he still has the messiah/narcissist complex.

I heard John Major on the radio recently. A PM that was derided widely and is considered unsuccessful, but my god, leagues above what we get nowadays. 

Edited yesterday at 17:51 by benjii

[iansums]

2 minutes ago, benjii said:

He does talk sense sometimes, but he still has the messiah/narcissist complex.

I heard John Major on the radio recently. A PM that was decided widely and is considered unsuccessful, but my god, leagues above what we get nowadays. 

John Major was a very good PM

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

John Major was a very good PM

He was hopeless. Only got the leadership because of who he wasn’t rather than who he was. A party of  Hestletine, Clarke, Lawson, Howe, and other capable men, ended up with that no mark as leader. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

John Major was a very good PM

His Spitting Image puppet was considered to be a more engaging, dynamic leader.

 

[skintsaint]

He's not my favourite Blair of all time by the way. No, my favourite Blair of all time............is Mr Lionel Blair.

[Gloucester Saint]

13 hours ago, skintsaint said:

He's not my favourite Blair of all time by the way. No, my favourite Blair of all time............is Mr Lionel Blair.

Risk of a waterlogged pitch if you had this Blair and El Hadj Diouf on the same pitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Spittal

[Gloucester Saint]

On 27/05/2026 at 08:25, trousers said:

Just listening to Blair on the Today programme on BBC Radio Four.... Is is just me that thinks he talks a lot of common sense...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlpplvzq02o

He certainly does for our generation but politics is way more fragmented now which is a journey it’s been on since 2008 really with the Brexit referendum as an accelerant towards the Remain bloc (Lab-Lib-Green) and Leave (Reform-ERGTory-Rupert party) we have now. People are changing allegiance within those blocs but not often between them. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

One of the summarisers on beeb said that Blair had looked more at the issues and possible solutions. From a practical start, and not from an idealogical one. Blair had said that no one side would have the best solutions.

Nick Robinson thought Blair was going to say he didn't care about left or right. But Blair explained a bit more fully, to avoid an obvious soundbite.

Since I find myself picking policies across every party, I was pleased to have Tony on board, with my views 🙂