Guys, chill out. It's just the summer lull.

[Colinjb]

Honestly. We get bought out by a billionaire and all of a sudden expectation for everything goes sky high!

 

I can't be part of this panicking occuring due to Cortese forgetting to appologise every time he sneezes. We are owned by a billionaire, have signed some stunning players for League 1 over the last year and have true ambition for a league winning season next year...... and we're f**king grumbling over a payment plan for season tickets.

 

Nothing so fickle as a football fan eh!?

 

Lets hope for a good world cup otherwise I dread to think how our morale will be!

[dune]

We are owned by a billionaire!

 

Are we?

[Matthew Le God]

Are we?

 

Can you show otherwise?

[Colinjb]

Are we?

 

I can assure you we are. The Mali group is a startling large engineering firm with intensly diverse interests.

 

Markus has done a good job with that and there is no way a man capable of building such an impressive organisation would 'waste' money on us without the means to support it long term.

 

Gentlemen. For the sake of your own health, Chill. No wonder this place is called the dark side.

[dune]

Can you show otherwise?

 

That's like saying god exists because you can't prove he/it doesn't exist. We're not talking about the supernatural here, we're talking about a statement - "Markus Liebherr is billionaire". Can anyone prove it or is it just gossip?

[dune]

I can assure you we are. The Mali group is a startling large engineering firm with intensly diverse interests.

 

But is Markus a billionaire?

[Colinjb]

That's like saying god exists because you can't prove he/it doesn't exist. We're not talking about the supernatural here, we're talking about a statement - "Markus Liebherr is billionaire". Can anyone prove it or is it just gossip?

 

I have, through my job, worked with the railways subsidiary of the Mali group. That company is bloody huge, and rather profitable.

 

Look up the Mali Group's financial records if you need proof. It's Marcus' company, his alone and as such we have nothing to worry about.

 

http://www.mali-group.com/

[NickG]

yes

[dune]

I have, through my job, worked with the railways subsidiary of the Mali group. That company is bloody huge, and rather profitable.

 

Look up the Mali Group's financial records if you need proof. It's Marcus' company, his alone and as such we have nothing to worry about.

 

http://www.mali-group.com/

 

I'll trust you to provide the figures (and for others to double check them).

[St. Jason]

Honestly. We get bought out by a billionaire and all of a sudden expectation for everything goes sky high!

 

I can't be part of this panicking occuring due to Cortese forgetting to appologise every time he sneezes. We are owned by a billionaire, have signed some stunning players for League 1 over the last year and have true ambition for a league winning season next year...... and we're f**king grumbling over a payment plan for season tickets.

 

Nothing so fickle as a football fan eh!?

 

Lets hope for a good world cup otherwise I dread to think how our morale will be!

 

You can be ambitious and still look after your customers -

 

http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1941398,00.html

[dune]

yes

 

Source?

[Colinjb]

I'll trust you to provide the figures (and for others to double check them).

 

Look them up yourself you lazy sod. I doubt you would believe something you hadn't researched yourself anyway!!!!!

[Pilchards]

Speaking tonight to someone and he tells me our first signing will happen on Thursday.

The plan is he will be wearing the new away shirt.

I said it will be Calderon then and he replies Yep!

 

Pinch of salt guys as he has been wrong before.

[Deanovski]

some bloody idiots.

[Colinjb]

You can be ambitious and still look after your customers -

 

http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~1941398,00.html

 

After radio stations, world class catering and klingons on the starboard bow I would rather we won a few football matches to be honest.

[NickG]

MALI Group, a hightech engineering company, made up of five independent companies and all belonging to him.

 

He had previously bought the MALI Group – whose companies are based in Switzerland and Germany in 1994

[dune]

Look them up yourself you lazy sod. I doubt you would believe something you hadn't researched yourself anyway!!!!!

 

It's your thread and you stated ML is a billionaire, yet i've not see a single shred of evidence to back this up.

[NickG]

In his higher education career, Markus studied engineering with an agricultural focus The Mali group contains five independent businesses, all belonging to the MALI Markus Liebherr International group whose head offices are in Fribourg, Switzerland.

 

● One of the companies is CRT Common Rail Technologies AG based in Beringen, Switzerland – a business concerning the ‘research and design of common rail systems’.

 

● Another of his companies is Mali Motan AG, also based in Beringen and concerning the ‘manufacturing and sales of CVT transmissions and common rail systems.”

 

● A third company is the German-based BSG Bodensee Steuergeräte – its primary business being the ‘research, design, manufacturing and sales of electronic control units for common rail injection and transmissions.”

 

● MALI Spezialfahrzeuge GmbH based in Eberhardzell, Germany, concerns ‘research and design transmission technology.’ ● MALI Spezialfahrzeugbau GmbH, based in Elbe, Germany, deals with ‘research, design, manufacture and sale’ of offroad vehicles.

[St. Jason]

After radio stations, world class catering and klingons on the starboard bow I would rather we won a few football matches to be honest.

 

Did you mention "world class catering" funny that!

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2060348,00.html

[SNSUN]

This is the first summer in years, perhaps since Burley's big summer of spending, that we haven't had anything to worry about. I'm enjoying it. Let the gaffer and co have their summer holidays, we'll obtain the signings we require before August, have no fear. Sit back, relax, and let the World Cup divert some attention.

[Colinjb]

It's your thread and you stated ML is a billionaire, yet i've not see a single shred of evidence to back this up.

 

And as I said, you would argue anything you've not posted.

 

Check the website i've posted, view their infrastructure and capability, and if, if then you need to keep bloody arguing, then I suggest you head down to your local psychiatrist and request some prosac. I am an engineer, not a financier, I do not know where to look for intricate financial results but I do know big player when I work with one.

 

My word football can bring out the worst in people.

[Colinjb]

This is the first summer in years, perhaps since Burley's big summer of spending, that we haven't had anything to worry about. I'm enjoying it. Let the gaffer and co have their summer holidays, we'll obtain the signings we require before August, have no fear. Sit back, relax, and let the World Cup divert some attention.

 

Bang on SNSUN. We can have a good time this summer. Best to leave the wrist slashers too it.

[dune]

And as I said, you would argue anything you've not posted.

 

Check the website i've posted, view their infrastructure and capability, and if, if then you need to keep bloody arguing, then I suggest you head down to your local psychiatrist and request some prosac. I am an engineer, not a financier, I do not know where to look for intricate financial results but I do know big player when I work with one.

 

My word football can bring out the worst in people.

 

I used to think Mark Jackson owned Rank Xerox and lived in a Beverly Hills ranch. I then found out he was a photo copier salesman who lived in a bedsit in Boscombe. The point i'm making is that the facts often don't match the gossip.

[Colinjb]

I used to think Mark Jackson owned Rank Xerox and lived in a Beverly Hills ranch. I then found out he was a photo copier salesman who lived in a bedsit in Boscombe. The point i'm making is that the facts often don't match the gossip.

 

I will leave you in your ignorance. I don't have time to humour you anymore.

 

In the remotely unlikely event of further administration I will indulge this again.

Edited 1 June, 2010 by Colinjb

[dune]

I will leave you in your ignorance. I don't have time to humour you anymore.

 

Nor time to provide evidence of Markus' billionaire status. That's odd because everyone says he's a billionaire yet nobody has ever justified this. Are we talking £1 billion, £5 billion, more?

[Colinjb]

Nor time to provide evidence of Markus' billionaire status. That odd because everyone says he's a billionaire yet nobody has ever said justified this. Are we talking £1 billion, £5 billion, more?

 

What do you do for a job out of interest? As I said, I'm an engineer, I work for an oil and grease company who works directly with original equipment manufacturers to provide specifications for their equipment. I am not a financier, I am not an accountant, I do not know where to access Swiss financial records yet I'm sure there are people on here who do. I have seen Mali's capability and scale, they are an outstanding company.

 

So, equally, as you question me...... I question you. Based on everything that's happened to us why do you doubt?

 

Or are you just scared that we could repeat mistakes made by other clubs?

[Micky]

There appears to be some very fickle and insecure people on here. Does it really matter what Markus Liebherrs financial status is. He might be a billionairre, maybe just a millionairre, who knows, perhaps just a wealthy man. Does it really matter?

 

It's not the size of his wealth that is important - it's the prudency with which he runs the club. I'm fairly sure that (irrespective of his overall personal wealth) the club will be running to some sort of budget, and it will not be a bottomless pit. Therefore his personal wealth really is unimportant.

 

No, we don't want some JCL without two farthing to rub togeather running the show, but I think, on the evidence of his investment in his first year, he is hardly that.

 

You do not run the MALI group of companies by ****ing money up against the wall, he is obviously well versed in good business practice - so forget his wallet ffs, it's only part of the package.

 

Not so very long ago all of SMS was singing ML name in celebration, now here we are questioning his financial standing. Fickle - not us.

[Spudders]

Honestly. We get bought out by a billionaire and all of a sudden expectation for everything goes sky high!

 

I can't be part of this panicking occuring due to Cortese forgetting to appologise every time he sneezes. We are owned by a billionaire, have signed some stunning players for League 1 over the last year and have true ambition for a league winning season next year...... and we're f**king grumbling over a payment plan for season tickets.

 

Nothing so fickle as a football fan eh!?

 

Lets hope for a good world cup otherwise I dread to think how our morale will be!

 

Well said.

 

When I think back to where we were this time last year, I blooming love saints again now. We've just had the best year I've had since being a supporter & I look forward to us pushing on next season. I'm glad we have a couple of months break as I can do other stuff on a Saturday, but am equally looking forward to business resuming in August.

 

I paid for last years season ticket in installments, but am ok with paying the lot off in one go this time (at least it gets it out the way).

 

I am looking forward to seeing the new shirt design. If it's the sash design I won't like it to start with, but I know it will grow on me.

 

Will be interesting to see what players we sign (I have a sneaky feeling we are going to be very pleased come kick off of the new season)

 

All in all, good times ahead. They say you can never please all the people all the time!!

[dune]

I have seen Mali's capability and scale, they are an outstanding company.

 

So, equally, as you question me...... I question you. Based on everything that's happened to us why do you doubt?

 

Because it's all gossip. I could go on google and type in Roman Abramovic and in seconds have an idea of how many billion he's worth, but with Markus Liebherr all I know is that he's got a few cranes and few dumper trucks. And even if he is a Billionaire how much money is tied up in his businesses?

[Matthew Le God]

Nor time to provide evidence of Markus' billionaire status. That's odd because everyone says he's a billionaire yet nobody has ever justified this. Are we talking £1 billion, £5 billion, more?

 

Numerous media sources have stated he is a billionaire. A number have put the figure at £2.6 billion.

 

The Mali Group is a huge operation of 5 companies - or MArkus LIebherr Group - just look at their website.

 

He left his families multi billion company to set it up by selling it his share to siblings. The money he got he put into the MALI group.

 

A year ago Nicola Cortese was working for Banque Heritage in Geneva, managing the finances of billionaires according to The Times. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article7070442.ece

 

These are circles Cortese was in and the contacts he had. He is now working for Liebherr at Saints. He met Liebherr through business. He is unlikely to be associated with anything smalltime given his recent past and cliental at Banque Heritage.

Edited 1 June, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Colinjb]

Because it's all gossip. I could go on google and type in Roman Abramovic and in seconds have an idea of how many billion he's worth, but with Markus Liebherr all I know is that he's got a few cranes and few dumper trucks. And even if he is a Billionaire how much money is tied up in his businesses?

 

In other words you are scared.

 

Not all legitimate businessmen need heaps of bling to prove their worth.

 

Chill, seriously. It would do you good. This age of informattion, people think they have a right to it, no need for patience or analysing behaviour for intent anymore.

Edited 1 June, 2010 by Colinjb

[St Landrew]

Because it's all gossip. I could go on google and type in Roman Abramovic and in seconds have an idea of how many billion he's worth, but with Markus Liebherr all I know is that he's got a few cranes and few dumper trucks. And even if he is a Billionaire how much money is tied up in his businesses?

 

When will people get their bloody rumours right..? He is NOT that Liebherr. He is part of the Liebherr family that owns THAT company, but HE has NO connection with it. He is the owner of the MALI group of companies.

 

F*** me, when will some people collect a few brain cells together, long enough to get them to capture a fact and remember it..?

 

Off the soapbox. No offence, an' all.

[PokingFun]

Because it's all gossip. I could go on google and type in Roman Abramovic and in seconds have an idea of how many billion he's worth, but with Markus Liebherr all I know is that he's got a few cranes and few dumper trucks. And even if he is a Billionaire how much money is tied up in his businesses?

 

Simply put, Abramovich courts publicity, Markus does not. Therefore, RA goes public whereas ML does not.

 

All evidence points to a VERY WEALTHY man regardless of whether he is a billionaire or not.

 

After all, he must have spent the sum of say £15m or so anyway just to move us out of administration? That would surely not be the actions of someone who does not have a pot to **** in?!

[Matthew Le God]

With Markus Liebherr all I know is that he's got a few cranes and few dumper trucks.

 

This just proves how little you do know.

 

Because...

 

...the MALI group has nothing to do with cranes and dumper trucks. That is his families multi billion business that he left in 1994 taking his share of money with him and setting up the MA(rkus)LI(ebherr) Group.

[Colinjb]

This just proves how little you do know.

 

Because...

 

...the MALI group has nothing to do with cranes and dumper trucks. That is his families multi billion business that he left in 1994 taking the money with him and setting up the MA(rkus)LI(ebherr) Group.

 

And selling his original stake in Leibherr to fund.... which was in itself worth a pretty penny.

[westofshannonsaint]

And selling his original stake in Leibherr to fund.... which was in itself worth a pretty penny.

 

I think I read somewhere that Marcus gave his shares back to the family,

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/LiebherrInternational-AG-Company-History.html

Markus Liebherr, however, had changed his life plans and gave most of his shares in the company back to his brothers and sister.

but I still think he has a few quid in his pocket. he had enough to buy the club (debt free inc. stadium) and make improvements (manager, squad & facilities)

If ML & NC were to leave tomorrow, they would leave the club in a better position than when they found us & I would be grateful.

 

Is Nicole a better chairman than Rupert?

Rupert's biggest argument was running the club as a business & on a sound financial footing. I am sure if you were to compare CV's there would be no contest.

Edited 2 June, 2010 by westofshannonsaint

[BadgerBadger]

It shows all is well in SFC ranks if all most people are worried about is a £3 booking fee and lack of installments. Bigger picture shows us to be sitting pretty in a rocky time in football land.

[miserableoldgit]

I used to think Mark Jackson owned Rank Xerox and lived in a Beverly Hills ranch. I then found out he was a photo copier salesman who lived in a bedsit in Boscombe. The point i'm making is that the facts often don't match the gossip.

Because the gossip is usually wrong??

[Tom]

It's your thread and you stated ML is a billionaire, yet i've not see a single shred of evidence to back this up.

 

Does it make any difference?! He's very very very rich.... end of.

[Joensuu]

Dune, what's your motive? Why (without any evidence) are you attempting to undermine the club? Skate? Wind-up merchant? X-Files fanatic?

[miserableoldgit]

Dune, what's your motive? Why (without any evidence) are you attempting to undermine the club? Skate? Wind-up merchant? X-Files fanatic?

He could certainly start an argument in an empty room.

[SO16_Saint]

Speaking tonight to someone and he tells me our first signing will happen on Thursday.

The plan is he will be wearing the new away shirt.

I said it will be Calderon then and he replies Yep!

 

Pinch of salt guys as he has been wrong before.

 

I cannot believe this has not been picked up on here....

 

worth starting a new thread, surely.... if only to keep the summer holiday interests up.....

 

:cool:

[St Landrew]

Here you go. This is about the level of credibility that people on here use to debunk something, so I'll use the same level.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2524301/Southampton-FC-saved-by-Swiss-businessman-Markus-Liebherr.html

 

And here's a bit from one slightly more respected paper.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/swiss-billionaire-rescues-saints-1737773.html

 

Remember though, they are just newspapers, so you can take it all with a pinch of salt, if you like. About the same measure of condiment as the rumour you believed saying ML wasn't a billionaire.

[trousers]

Here you go. This is about the level of credibility that people on here use to debunk something, so I'll use the same level.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2524301/Southampton-FC-saved-by-Swiss-businessman-Markus-Liebherr.html

 

And here's a bit from one slightly more respected paper.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/swiss-billionaire-rescues-saints-1737773.html

 

Remember though, they are just newspapers, so you can take it all with a pinch of salt, if you like. About the same measure of condiment as the rumour you believed saying ML wasn't a billionaire.

 

I'm assuming we shouldn't judge the accuracy of the information in the Independant article based on their last paragraph....?

 

Manager Mark Wotte, who agreed to stay on at the helm last week despite his contract expiring, is expected to keep his role but goalkeeper and the club captain Kelvin Davis is on the verge of joining West Ham United.

 

;-)

[St Landrew]

Old news.

 

In the meantime, Liebherr has lost all his money and hasn't a pot to p!ss in. You read it here first.

[miserableoldgit]

Old news.

 

In the meantime, Liebherr has lost all his money and hasn't a pot to p!ss in. You read it here first.

I think that we read it on a Poopey forum first!

[proevosaints]

This is bloody ridiculous.

 

Dune firstly if you belived the marc jackson one you clearly are thick as anything!

 

Secondly use a bit of logic eh son? He's wiped the debt, spent a good 5million on players, paid money to have the training ground plans written up, and all this along with making the club self sufficient, now i fancy myself as a businesman but sod me i wouldnt be able to pull that off because i havent got the money, Liebherr must clearly have the money.

 

This summer has been laughable, yes the season tickets were late but if you have saved up the money like the sensible thing to do then you'll be fine, smiliarly if not get a 0% credit card, essentially the last few years you've payed saints and they've essentially paid a firm who lent them the money on your behalf. Stop moaning, if you want a season ticket you'll find a way everyone else does. Its like me going to buy a car and going oh you wont give me the finance oh how terrible and blaming the car company, no, simply you'd just take a loan out.

 

Everyone moaned for years while this club was run into the ground, people were spending money we didnt have and the club was massively in debt. Now finally we get ourselves self sufficient, maybe through snide tactics like booking fees etc but at the same time we're getting treated to decent players and other perks. People moaned for ages about the state of beer, saints promise to solve it, and maybe thats contributing to season ticket prices and ticket prices but you cant create a wishlist and expect it just to be done, theirs budgets for a reason and extra costs have to be made up for somewhere.

 

Rant over!

[david in sweden]

But is Markus a billionaire?

 

good question ...maybe.. he's only a millionaire ! shock / horror !

 

Maybe he's only worth 900 million ..oops! there goes our reputation

[Capel Saint]

good question ...maybe.. he's only a millionaire ! shock / horror !

 

Maybe he's only worth 900 million ..oops! there goes our reputation

 

Exactly! I wonder how much money Pinnacle would have had at their fingertips for new players, building club facilities etc if they had bought the club. Not nearly as much as Mr Liebherr has, that is for sure!!

 

So lets stop over analysing evertyt minute detail to fill the boring days before the World Cup. Not that I am football junkie of course!!

[Saints Mad Si]

I have, through my job, worked with the railways subsidiary of the Mali group. That company is bloody huge, and rather profitable.

 

Look up the Mali Group's financial records if you need proof. It's Marcus' company, his alone and as such we have nothing to worry about.

 

http://www.mali-group.com/

 

On a lighter note, is ML wearing a Saints tie on the first page of the website?