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Just to give you an idea of the ticketing currently in the Championship and what to expect ( hopefully for next year, I have looked at the offers available for each club.

 

Ticket prices are based ont he cheapest Adult season ticket, excluding family sections of the ground, so the equivelent to the Northam.

 

Also you will notice that nearly every club has an installment plan. Cardiff do not have tickets on sale. Doncaster state they don't have an installment plan because they do not have the demand for one.

 

So are we all agreed now that the installment plan has not been removed for business reasons, or do you think all of these clubs whom have a payment plan are wrong?

 

 

Bristol City £260 £15 admin fee, interest free

Coventry £275 Internal Payment Scheme

S****horpe £285 20% deposit and 4 monthly installments.

Barnsley £299 Premium Credit Installment Plan

Doncaster £320 No Installment plan ( due to lack of demand )

Crystal Palace £330 10 monthly installments 18.9%

Watford £340 Ticket Office Installment Scheme - 6 months, 5% charge

Burnley £345 Premium Credit Installment Plan

Derby County £350 16.5% APR 4-10 months

Nottingham Forest £361 Interest free up to 12 months.

Preston North End £365 Ticket Office Installment Scheme

Ipswich Town £368 8 months interest free plan.

Millwall £368 8 months. 19.9% Interest

Sheffield United £369 6 months. Service charge between £15 and £25

Middlesbrough £370 5 months interest free plan.

Reading £375 10 months 18.9%

Swansea City £375 Ticket Office Installment Scheme

Leicester City £380 Up to 9 months plan. £4 charge per month.

Norwich City £389 Interest free up to 12 months.

Portstmouth £399 3-6 month plan. Interest/Admin Fee

QPR £399 10 month 18.9% or 3 months Interest Free

Leeds United £450 5 months interest free plan.

Cardiff City N/A Sold 5,000 Season Tickets only.

Hull City N/A 3 month payment plan

 

As for the season ticket prices, it looks a very competitive league with regards to season ticket prices and hopefully gives us an idea of what we will be paying next season.

 

All installment plans are either internal or administrated by Zebra Finance or Premium Credit Ltd

 

Edit: Actually Cov do have a scheme. So only Doncaster do not have one.

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"Millwall £368 8 months. 19.9% Interest"

 

Or would you rather SFC offered something TOTALLY unreasonable like 19.9% interest rate? That's criminal! I got a u-switch spam e-mail detailing credit cards and loans for 7.9% ... !!

 

It is criminal, but at least the option is there, there is no need to charge 19.9%, but to be honest, it's better than nothing I guess, people dont HAVE to take that.

 

I didn't check through League 1 because the Championship would better reflect our situation due to some of the very low amounts of STH's in L1 meaning there wouldn't be demand for an installment plan.

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I've started putting aside £30 per month in preparation for paying for next year's season ticket

 

If I was you, I would make it £40... just to make sure.

 

For the record, so will I... however I am certain we will have a payment scheme next season, as the club cannot guarantee success... so instead need to guarantee crowds.

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Can you point me in the direction of the other thread about Championship season ticket prices? Sorry, I must have missed it...

 

http://saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=23010

 

http://saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22942

 

http://saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=22921

 

 

Very clever.

 

Yes, the reason it's boring is because of all the Championship ST threads, and NOT because of all the threads about installment plans.

 

This could have been discussed in any of these.

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Can you point me in the direction of the other thread about Championship season ticket prices? Sorry, I must have missed it...

 

Stu, it is the same thread albeit from a different angle.

 

I do agree with your point which is that the club should not have removed the installment plan.

 

I just wonder if NC is going to dig in deeper and refuse to countenance it or may need something like this to awaken his realisation that it is a business opportunity lost?

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Well done funny man. You must be impressed with yourself.

 

Premium Credit is one of the companies who run the installment plans.

 

thanks for the insult....i didnt realise it was a company so thanks again for the answer to my question.

 

off topic will be an open CCC this year.

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If I was you, I would make it £40... just to make sure.

 

For the record, so will I... however I am certain we will have a payment scheme next season, as the club cannot guarantee success... so instead need to guarantee crowds.

 

That might be the case. Good sensible business planning.

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Stu, it is the same thread albeit from a different angle.

 

I do agree with your point which is that the club should not have removed the installment plan.

 

I just wonder if NC is going to dig in deeper and refuse to countenance it or may need something like this to awaken his realisation that it is a business opportunity lost?

 

FFS. Do you think he hasn't thought about it? He clearly thinks the current structure will be more profitable. Otherwise we would not be doing it.

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FFS. Do you think he hasn't thought about it? He clearly thinks the current structure will be more profitable. Otherwise we would not be doing it.

 

Yes, you're right... the all bar one clubs in the Championship, every Prem team, the majority of League 1 teams with installment plans must all be wrong and Cortese is a genius and is footballs saviour. No wonder AC Milan where after him. :lol:

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FFS. Do you think he hasn't thought about it? He clearly thinks the current structure will be more profitable. Otherwise we would not be doing it.

 

This is true. Whilst it's understandable that Cortese's season ticket/installments policy (and the not so customer friendly announcement thereof) has upset and incovenienced some people, there must be a perfectly rational business reason for him doing it in the first place.

 

Of course, it could/should have been communicated better but that doesn't mean the underlying rationale was wrong from a business perspective.

 

What type of successful businessman would want to intentionally damage his revenue streams and profit margins?

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Yes, you're right... the all bar one clubs in the Championship, every Prem team, the majority of League 1 teams with installment plans must all be wrong and Cortese is a genius and is footballs saviour. No wonder AC Milan where after him. :lol:

 

You really are a bit dense sometimes.

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Yes, you're right... the all bar one clubs in the Championship, every Prem team, the majority of League 1 teams with installment plans must all be wrong and Cortese is a genius and is footballs saviour. No wonder AC Milan where after him. :lol:

 

Genuine question: Does anyone know the stats for what percentage of teams in mainland Europe provide season ticket installment schemes, Italy and Switzerland in particular?

 

Perhaps Cortese seems like he's out on a limb with this because we're just comparing it with other UK teams? We may find it's par for the course in other territories to not offer such schemes and that is where Cortese is getting his inspiration from?

 

Once again, I'm not making a judgement on whether he's right or wrong, just trying to explore other avenues that might help to explain his rationale.

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This is true. Whilst it's understandable that Cortese's season ticket/installments policy (and the not so customer friendly announcement thereof) has upset and incovenienced some people, there must be a perfectly rational business reason for him doing it in the first place.

 

Of course, it could/should have been communicated better but that doesn't mean the underlying rationale was wrong from a business perspective.

 

What type of successful businessman would want to intentionally damage his revenue streams and profit margins?

 

One that doesn't have any experience of dealing with the public and relying on their 'feelgood factor' to generate income.

 

In the long run I do not believe that is the best business decision. Without having the figures I can only speculate, but I cannot see many non-STH's paying to go to individual games on more than 14 occasions in the season... even if they used to be season ticket holders.

 

When you are paying game by game, your purchases will be more considered and you justify paying £25 for each game on their individual merits.

 

For example, I find midweek games a pain in the arse, so I wouldn't bother with them, I have at least 3 or 4 games a season where I am away, maybe on holiday etc, so I wouldn't bother with them. I am offered corporate seats at least a couple of times a season. I am offered a spare of a STH mate not able to go on at least a couple of occasions.

 

So even before I decide whether to bother going when the weather is sh!te ( it's cheaper to pay on the day anyway ) , when we are playing a sh!t team or when we are on a bad run, I don't have the need to buy at least 10 a season.

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Genuine question: Does anyone know the stats for what percentage of teams in mainland Europe provide season ticket installment schemes, Italy and Switzerland in particular?

 

Perhaps Cortese seems like he's out on a limb with this because we're just comparing it with other UK teams? We may find it's par for the course in other territories to not offer such schemes and that is where Cortese is getting his inspiration from?

 

Once again, I'm not making a judgement on whether he's right or wrong, just trying to explore other avenues that might help to explain his rationale.

 

Could be.

 

It would also be interesting to see what third-level clubs charge to get in there and in other European countries.

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You really are a bit dense sometimes.

 

What is so dense about every single other club with a similar or larger support than ours having an installment scheme? Are you telling me they are all wrong and infact Cortese has found a new system that will earn him more money than having season tickets?

 

I know the reason he thinks it will work and understand it...

 

... I don't think those not getting a season ticket will pay for more than 14 home games a season though. Do you?

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What is so dense about every single other club with a similar or larger support than ours having an installment scheme? Are you telling me they are all wrong and infact Cortese has found a new system that will earn him more money than having season tickets?

 

I know the reason he thinks it will work and understand it...

 

... I don't think those not getting a season ticket will pay for more than 14 home games a season though. Do you?

 

How many of those clubs are succesful businesses?

 

Yeah, I expect quite a few of them will - especially if we are doing well.

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How many of those clubs are succesful businesses?

 

Yeah, I expect quite a few of them will - especially if we are doing well.

 

Have you ever thought about going in to business as a football consultant? :lol:

 

You are indeed stating that you believe that Cortese is the only Chairman in the top 3 divisions who is doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong. :lol:

 

Manchester United have to turn away 6,000 people at least for every single match who try to buy tickets... it's fair to say that they don't need season ticket revenue to get through the summer and it's also fair to say that they could fill Old Trafford with pay on the day customers.

 

Yet they not only sell season tickets... they also offer interest free installment plans... with Zebra Finance.

 

Why?

 

Come on Benji, I am genuinely interested.

 

Give me some figures...

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Have you ever thought about going in to business as a football consultant? :lol:

 

You are indeed stating that you believe that Cortese is the only Chairman in the top 3 divisions who is doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong. :lol:

 

Manchester United have to turn away 6,000 people at least for every single match who try to buy tickets... it's fair to say that they don't need season ticket revenue to get through the summer and it's also fair to say that they could fill Old Trafford with pay on the day customers.

 

Yet they not only sell season tickets... they also offer interest free installment plans... with Zebra Finance.

 

Why?

 

Come on Benji, I am genuinely interested.

 

Give me some figures...

 

Stu - genuine question....if all rational explanations for Cortese's actions have been explored and exhausted, what would your hunch be for why he did it?

 

Do you not agree that he must have had a rational reason even if (a) you don't know what that reason is and (b) you don't agree with it?

 

What's your hunch on why he's done what he has?

 

(As I say, not a wind-up question, genuinely interested)

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Have you ever thought about going in to business as a football consultant? :lol:

 

You are indeed stating that you believe that Cortese is the only Chairman in the top 3 divisions who is doing it right, and everyone else is doing it wrong. :lol:

 

Manchester United have to turn away 6,000 people at least for every single match who try to buy tickets... it's fair to say that they don't need season ticket revenue to get through the summer and it's also fair to say that they could fill Old Trafford with pay on the day customers.

 

Yet they not only sell season tickets... they also offer interest free installment plans... with Zebra Finance.

 

Why?

 

Come on Benji, I am genuinely interested.

 

Give me some figures...

 

What percentage of football clubs are in debt? pretty high I would have thought. We are not in debt, I suppose we should be, is that right?

 

It's all getting a bit tedious now, I think you've made your point.

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Stu - genuine question....if all rational explanations for Cortese's actions have been explored and exhausted, what would you hunch be for why he did it?

 

Do you not agree that he must have had a rational reason even if (a) you don't know what that reason is and (b) you don't agree with it

 

What's your hunch on why he's done what he has?

 

(As I say, not a wind-up question, genuinely interested)

 

Took a gamble that we will fly out of the blocks and " walk this poxy league "

 

He has seen the ground nearly full for games like Exeter and Leeds and by his thinking... the income will be more when it is fill of matchday price paying customers.

 

This is right of course IF

 

1) Saints go straight to the top.

2) The fixture list in kind to him.

3) ex-Season Ticket holders go to more than 14 league games a season. ( I really don't think the average games attended by ex-season ticket holders will be anywhere near that amount,using my reasons as example )

 

So it is a gamble, and one that is destined to fail. I don't believe David Luker came up with this policy and I also don't believe that every single other club with a similar or larger support to us are wrong.

 

Yes crowds will be up next season if we do well... but with a realistic and buyer friendly ticketing structure we could have been averaging 26k next season.

 

This is another reason why he has stopped half season tickets. This is the reason the club have kept the season tickets renewals as quiet as possible, no advertising, no marketing, minimal coverage on the OS, no renewal packs sent out, very short renewal window, etc etc

 

I am as certain as I can be that this is the reason, without hearing it from his lips, and yes, I do think it is completely wrong and treating the fans like c*nts, which is why I have taken exception to it.

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No offence Stu but just drop it. The decision has been made so live with it.

 

To be honest everyone knew a new season was round the corner so if you wanted a season ticket you should have saved the readies, not relyed on a wooley installment plan.

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No offence Stu but just drop it. The decision has been made so live with it.

 

To be honest everyone knew a new season was round the corner so if you wanted a season ticket you should have saved the readies, not relyed on a wooley installment plan.

 

To be fair we have had an installment plan in place for years, some people rely on this as its the way they have budgeted accordingly, to be taken away suddenly has affected these peeps. Not saying its right or wrong, just it could of been handled better like informing us that it was being withdrawn a lot earlier so these people could have saved. People have a reason to criticise and to those that find this a boring or repetitive thread you still found time to read and reply on it.

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Genuine question: Does anyone know the stats for what percentage of teams in mainland Europe provide season ticket installment schemes, Italy and Switzerland in particular?

 

Perhaps Cortese seems like he's out on a limb with this because we're just comparing it with other UK teams? We may find it's par for the course in other territories to not offer such schemes and that is where Cortese is getting his inspiration from?

 

Once again, I'm not making a judgement on whether he's right or wrong, just trying to explore other avenues that might help to explain his rationale.

 

Edit as I've looked into it and I was talking ar5e :)

 

For the sake of debate, here are some Serie A ST figures :

http://english.gazzetta.it/Football/22-09-2009/season-ticket-sales-slump-milan-the-hardest-hit-501374007798.shtml

 

But Swiss crowds ARE tiny ;)

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