Saint Martini Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Just wondering how he went about things after his dissapointing debut against QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 27 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Oops, wrong forum, please move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 A candidate thread for Main Board IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 27 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2008 That's why I asked for it to be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 That's why I asked for it to be moved. Yes, I figured that! In answer to your question.... I only heard the radio commentary. I'm not sure if you heard it? Can you get it in Sweden? Anyway, from the commentary it sounded as though most of our problems defensively came from holding the line too high up the pitch and being caught out by long balls. Having said that, it didn't sound as though we were ever under any long periods of pressure and on the whole it sounded like an encouraging performance from Olly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=61681&postcount=66 Last paragraph - just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 27 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Yes, I figured that! In answer to your question.... I only heard the radio commentary. I'm not sure if you heard it? Can you get it in Sweden? Anyway, from the commentary it sounded as though most of our problems defensively came from holding the line too high up the pitch and being caught out by long balls. Having said that, it didn't sound as though we were ever under any long periods of pressure and on the whole it sounded like an encouraging performance from Olly. I can get SaintsTV in Sweden so I heard the radio as well. But its always difficult to judge one defender on the basis of a radio report. Unless he the player does something really well or bad he won't get mentioned and you can't really say a defender played bad because the defense was bad. It might be the other 1, 2 or three that were bad with one brilliant performance. But good to see that BT seems to think he played well at least. A young defender with a bit of speed does come in handy with our style of play and the fact that the other central defenders are quite old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I can get SaintsTV in Sweden so I heard the radio as well. But its always difficult to judge one defender on the basis of a radio report. Unless he the player does something really well or bad he won't get mentioned and you can't really say a defender played bad because the defense was bad. It might be the other 1, 2 or three that were bad with one brilliant performance. But good to see that BT seems to think he played well at least. A young defender with a bit of speed does come in handy with our style of play and the fact that the other central defenders are quite old. Yeah, and he looks like he's genuinely tall, which is something we lack throughout the side at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Yeah, and he looks like he's genuinely tall, which is something we lack throughout the side at the mo. As opposed to masquerading himself as tall, despite being a midget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 Just got back from the game - he did well and I think he will be first choice centre back for most of the season. Good player imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I thought he did ok. First half alot of long balls over the top caught the defence out but as the game went on Ollie seemed to get better. Still think we need proper fullbacks as against better opposition we will get punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 As opposed to masquerading himself as tall' date=' despite being a midget?[/quote'] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 He did OK - I wouldn't say he and Wotton are natural partners and in the 1st half we were caught out but by the end of the game he looked accomplished enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 27 September, 2008 Share Posted 27 September, 2008 I thought he had a really good game. We got caught out a few times due to holding a high line today. Kelvin Davis made 2 or 3 really good saves, especially from a header which I thought was going in but some how he managed to push it round the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 I have no real idea how he did because I only heard it on the radio but (as long as he wasn't too cr@p) I would keep him in and persist with the partnership with Wotton otherwise we will get back to the chopping and changing every game which cannot be good in the longer term ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 I thought he had a really good game. We got caught out a few times due to holding a high line today. Kelvin Davis made 2 or 3 really good saves, especially from a header which I thought was going in but some how he managed to push it round the post. But the goalkeeper is an integral part of the team. That's why you need a good one and not a pillock like Bart.I watched some of Arsenal Hull yesterday. Myhill won against Arsenal all by himself,true the others scored 2 goals but he saved at least 5 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 I was there and thought he had an impressive game once he settled with Wotton. Donny's tactic of balls over the top to chase looked dangerous and if we'd had, say Perry and Svensson playing the lack of pace would have been disastrous. But as the game went on, this looked like a solid CB pairing and I hope JP leaves it alone. Thought Mills and James also had decent games, although against more physical oppositiob Cork might come in for James. But, IMO winning teams are built on settled defence so PLEASE keep it the same next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 I was there and thought he had an impressive game once he settled with Wotton. Donny's tactic of balls over the top to chase looked dangerous and if we'd had, say Perry and Svensson playing the lack of pace would have been disastrous. But as the game went on, this looked like a solid CB pairing and I hope JP leaves it alone. Thought Mills and James also had decent games, although against more physical oppositiob Cork might come in for James. But, IMO winning teams are built on settled defence so PLEASE keep it the same next week![/QUOTE] Apparently Derby have kept the same defence for the last 5/6 games and their fortunes have changed completely ! Seems like a great idea to me !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 But the goalkeeper is an integral part of the team. That's why you need a good one and not a pillock like Bart.I watched some of Arsenal Hull yesterday. Myhill won against Arsenal all by himself,true the others scored 2 goals but he saved at least 5 . Funny old game really, the same Boaz Myhill who picked the ball out of the net 4 times at SMS last season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 If Lancashire can fill one c/h spot then Cork can be used as a full back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkhamsted Saint Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 If Lancashire can fill one c/h spot then Cork can be used as a full back Based on yesterdays performance I would keep Cork in a defensive midfield role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 28 September, 2008 Share Posted 28 September, 2008 Based on yesterdays performance I would keep Cork in a defensive midfield role. The position where Cork won player of the season at S****horpe and was excellent Vs Saints @ SMS last season. I'd keep him there but wish we'd swapped Dyer for a full-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 October, 2008 Share Posted 4 October, 2008 Looks underpaced and clumsy to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 Looks underpaced and clumsy to me yep, that penalty he gave away (that never was) was all that on show...how long did he wait to clear the ball etc...always being out done in the middle and part of the massive problem of dealing with crosses we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 ****, no pace, no speed, extremely slow, responsible for the penalty and the last goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Problem was Lancashire was having to play centre back and full back as James was nowhere to be seen half the time. I even remeber him fouling someone over in the left back position. Lancashire was not great but, was not helped by the fact he had no full back playing by the side of him. That needs to get sorted pronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 He reminds me of a young Callum Davenport... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_au Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 ...or alan bennett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Why are some people on here being so fickle and slating him already? If you look towards the start of the thread, most people are praising him for an impressive performance against Donny Rovers! Lancashire is a young lad who is learning the game, he is bound to make a few mistakes. He has said himself on the OS that it's a big step up and the pace of the game is much quicker and the tempo alot faster than what he has been used to. It's bound to take him some time to come to grips with the step up from reserves to first team. In the matches against Donny and Norwich (where we kept clean sheets in both) he has shown that he does have potential and could prove to be a useful player for us if given time and the right opportunities. To criticise a young defender after the Cov match is a bit harsh and a tad unfair if you ask me, especially considering there were very few players to come out of that game with any credit whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 To criticise a young defender after the Cov match is a bit harsh and a tad unfair if you ask me, especially considering there were very few players to come out of that game with any credit whatsoever. I think you're spot on. The problem as I see it is that the powers that be have put Ollie and others under immense pressure by dumping so many youngsters in at the deep end all in one go. Rather than bring them in gradually and allow them to adapt, we have adopted a cruel policy of throwing them all in the deep end at the same time. I just hope it doesn't affect the development and confidence of some of these youngsters. He looks a good prospect and certainly has decent attributes, but I have no idea if he'll make the step up to be a decent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 i wasn't criticising him just from the Coventry match, in the games i have watched he has generally looked cumbersome and short of pace, clean sheet or no clean sheet. Maybe just that this point was highlighted more in the Cov match because he was up against pace...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 Why are some people on here being so fickle and slating him already? If you look towards the start of the thread, most people are praising him for an impressive performance against Donny Rovers! Lancashire is a young lad who is learning the game, he is bound to make a few mistakes. He has said himself on the OS that it's a big step up and the pace of the game is much quicker and the tempo alot faster than what he has been used to. It's bound to take him some time to come to grips with the step up from reserves to first team. In the matches against Donny and Norwich (where we kept clean sheets in both) he has shown that he does have potential and could prove to be a useful player for us if given time and the right opportunities. To criticise a young defender after the Cov match is a bit harsh and a tad unfair if you ask me, especially considering there were very few players to come out of that game with any credit whatsoever. Some fair points here but what would help him most is having a right-back that is professional football standard next to him. Lloyd James is a decent MIDFIELDER but not a right-back or a full-back, he should not be playing at right-back and even with the financial problems, the club have no excuses for doing so. Teams have worked out our right-hand side is weak and load up accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 6 October, 2008 Share Posted 6 October, 2008 It's just ****ing crazy that a 19 year old centre back has to come into the side and 3 out of the back 4 have played 10 games between them. If he was slotting in alongside Perry, with decent full backs who were used to playing together then he'd do much better. Fact is that we haven't had a settled defence since 2003 and until we sort this out, any young layer coming into it is going to look like a fish up a tree and we're going to ship loads of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 I remember watching Wayne Bridge initially and thinking that he was off the pace, lightweight and a little slow. The fact is that they are all learning there trade in no better place. I think that James and Oliie will both make. Please give them time and enjoy there development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 7 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 7 October, 2008 If a defender looks slow it is more often the midfield that is at fault. I must say I didn't see the match (and I don't really have to urge to watch the "highlights") but if an attacker can drop into midfield pick up the ball there and then run at the defenders then the defenders will inevitably look slow. The midfield has to make sure that doesn't happen. This is also why Lallana skips past defenders so easily, he's already running when the defenders still have to start because he picks the ball up somewhere inbetween midfield and attack. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that although Lancashire might have looked slow he isn't slow, he was actually picked ahead of Perry against QPR because of his pace, and even though it didn't work out the way JP wanted it was a sensible idea on some level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 I think he will devolp into a very good player at centre back you need experience and as he gains it we will see progress while he is still very young particularly in that position we will see good and bad performances he would really benefit if he can learn his trade with Svenson as his partner we can only hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 7 October, 2008 Share Posted 7 October, 2008 Like several players currently in the first team Lancashire just is not ready IMHO. Of course the chance to bring them through gradually is not a step we seem to be able to take at present. Perhaps if our loans were experienced defenders it would help Lancashire and Mills etc to watch them in matches and learn in training..........unfortunately this does not appear to be the way the management, or chairman, want to take us !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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