NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 after comments on pricing etc and some disagreement as to whether we are competitive just checked OS of few comparable clubs in our league and these are their prices: (without comment!) Brighton Season tickets -£439 to £562 match prices not on site yet. Bristol Rovers £414 to £598 match £18 to £26 on the day, £2 off if bought early. Charlton £290 to £425 match details not on site yet Saints £391 to £426 (for new tickets not renewal discounted price) match £24 to £27, £2 off if bought early. Huddersfield £360 to £499 can't see match prices Sheff Wed £381 to £535 (another group at £463) matches £19 to £27 (discounts for online sales) MK £325 (for corner) to £550 can't see matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Post #5 before this becomes a Cortese basher..... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 So, comparable then? And favourably in many cases. That's that put to bed then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Post #5 before this becomes a Cortese basher..... ;-) It will take quite some work to turn this into a Cortese basher thread. The evidence above is quite compelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 So, comparable then? And favourably in many cases. That's that put to bed then... add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season.... yep...no doubt cortese will be slated in about 10 posts time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season.... Is that true? Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season.... yep...no doubt cortese will be slated in about 10 posts time I think that was a specific reference to the car parking operation. This post was brought to you by the Rumour Control Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Is that true? Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages. cortese has even said that we are still reliant on money from markus.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Is that true? Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages. Sack the Rumour Control Police.... too slow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 It's absolutely no surprise to hear 'confirmation' (of sorts) that the club was running at a loss last year (and obviously before that). I've posted as much before. Why therefore the clamour for Cortese to make some sort of announcement given all he would be doing is stating the obvious (to most people)? Surely he would be compromising his bargaining power with suppliers etc if he was to reveal details of the company's financial position???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 factors for pricing? 1) http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion 2) stadium 3) Fonte / Lambert / Lallana / Schneiderlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If the owner is putting his own money in to cover the losses how is that bad exactly? If he took out loans in the clubs name then fair enough that would be bad. The club is not under pressure to make any profit now. Didn't they say they only think they would make a return when we are in the PL? To try and use that as a stick to beat him with is just dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If the owner is putting his own money in to cover the losses how is that bad exactly? If he took out loans in the clubs name then fair enough that would be bad. The club is not under pressure to make any profit now. Didn't they say they only think they would make a return when we are in the PL? To try and use that as a stick to beat him with is just dumb. Yes but sadly allot of people on here are that stupid and so will. (If you don't agree then please feel free to prove me wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Is that true? Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages. When you factor in the transfer fees paid then yes of course we were running at a loss, but with regards to wages I genuinely believe we brought in enough money to cover it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 cortese has even said that we are still reliant on money from markus.... If you don't mind could you point me to this, as I have asked the question many times about how reliant we are on Marcus and not got a decent response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 It was common knowledge from the start that Cortese agreed with Liebherr a "fund" which would be enough to get Saints back to the Prem. Whether we spend all of it or some of it, only those two will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand ) We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets. We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets. FACTO I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 (edited) I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand ) We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets. We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets. FACTO I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx factors for pricing? 1) http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion 2) stadium 3) Fonte / Lambert / Lallana / Schneiderlin I think Nick got his reply in before you posted Stu. You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices. Do you expect watching Arsenal to be the same price and experience as watching Fulham? Edited 5 July, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 anyone not sure of those prices, easy way, go to BBC league 1 site, link to all OS sites, those prices all from there today - all accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I wonder where Stu got his prices from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand ) We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets. We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets. FACTO I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx If you have them to hand then lets go! Or are you gonna cherry pick the figures you want from each club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I think Nick got his reply in before you posted Stu. You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices. Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 (edited) Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong. If his figures are wrong can you please show where Nick is wrong with a few examples and links to the clubs official websites with the correct figures. Even if Nick is wrong and Saints are the most or one of the most expensive that still doesn't answer my point... 1) You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge with a wage budget and overheads to match. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices. Do you agree YES/NO 2) Do you expect watching Arsenal to be the same price and experience as watching Fulham? Edited 5 July, 2010 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong. I give you until 11pm tonight to support that with your facts! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 All those tickets are over-priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 my sources for Stu http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.htafc.com/page/Home/ http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.mkdons.com/page/Home/ http://www.charlton-athletic.co.uk/default.ink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 (edited) about now he logs in with new user name to back himself up! Edited 5 July, 2010 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 my sources for Stu http://www.seagulls.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.htafc.com/page/Home/ http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/Home/ http://www.mkdons.com/page/Home/ http://www.charlton-athletic.co.uk/default.ink Go easy on Stu, he is scrabbling around now trying to get his Facts together! Tick tock Tick tock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If you take Huddersfield for example, their cheapest tickets for an adult renewing was £305 compared to our £328. But their family centre adult price renewel was just £140 + £25 for under 8 year old kids. Ours were £328 + £0 for under 8s. You have to a little deeper at the pricing before comparing them in simple one line terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Go easy on Stu, he is scrabbling around now trying to get his Facts together! Tick tock Tick tock. Not really... allow me just to post one... Nick says adult season tickets at Hudds start at £360 Our survey says... £305 http://www.htafc.com/page/SeasonTicketsDetail/0,,10312~1997128,00.html Thats the only one I can be arsed to find, I know pretty much all of Nickys figures are wrong, I will post them tommorow as they are all saved on my work PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Bristol Rovers Nicky says £414 to £598 Our Survey says... £260-£410 http://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/page/SeasonTickets/ Shall I go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Sheffield Wednesday Nicky says £381 to £535 (another group at £463) Our survey says £333 to £535 http://www.swfc.co.uk/page/SeasonTickets/0,,10304,00.html More? Shall we try MK Dons next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Not really... allow me just to post one... Nick says adult season tickets at Hudds start at £360 Our survey says... £305 http://www.htafc.com/page/SeasonTicketsDetail/0,,10312~1997128,00.html Thats the only one I can be arsed to find, I know pretty much all of Nickys figures are wrong, I will post them tommorow as they are all saved on my work PC. Yes that was for renewals back in early april, Nick has posted the price for new tickets (as he has also for saints). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Stu if your using that arguement i would argue ours start at £277 then, its a question of perspective really. Not that it really matters, for the 'product' Saints are offering it is bound to be more expensive. As CUSTOMERS we need to be aware of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 MK Dons Nicky said MK £325 (for corner) to £550 Our survey says £250 - £480 http://www.mkdons.com/staticFiles/83/49/0,,10420~149891,00.pdf Any more Nicky? I am getting tired, you conveniently forget early bird prices in most of them ( where the vast majority of season tickets are sold ) Let's deal in facts eh rather than twisting the figures to try and win arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Yes that was for renewals back in early april, Nick has posted the price for new tickets (as he has also for saints). And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more. The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more. The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless... Ours would be £277 then. So, it still proves we are pretty cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Stu if your using that arguement i would argue ours start at £277 then, its a question of perspective really. Not that it really matters, for the 'product' Saints are offering it is bound to be more expensive. As CUSTOMERS we need to be aware of that. No, I kept family enclosure tickets out of it... if I didn't then the gap would be even bigger. These prices are cheapest renewal prices for a single adult non-family enclosure. I am sure you agree that comparing these prices is the only fair way. You can't say MK Dons have more expensive tickets than us when theirs have been on sale at a discounted price for months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more. The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless... Which would mean the prices he posted for saints is also cheaper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Ours would be £277 then. So, it still proves we are pretty cheap Once again, just so you are aware... I left family enclosure seats out. This is for standard adult seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Which would mean the prices he posted for saints is also cheaper! How many times do you dullards need to be told before it goes in? I didn't compare family enclosure prices... if I did then I would have posted up Hudds cheapest ticket at £125 for example. These are standard adult seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 No, I kept family enclosure tickets out of it... if I didn't then the gap would be even bigger. These prices are cheapest renewal prices for a single adult non-family enclosure. I am sure you agree that comparing these prices is the only fair way. You can't say MK Dons have more expensive tickets than us when theirs have been on sale at a discounted price for months! Ok, but you agree that due to the product on offer at St Mary's this season we should be up towards the top of the expense list ?? As are Man Utd, Chelsea Etc in their respective division ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 So theN DBP 'stu', with your calculations where do we rank in price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Once again, just so you are aware... I left family enclosure seats out. This is for standard adult seats. TBF i had already posted but ok fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 All prices for new tickets, non-family centre. why someone would react in this way is very strange and insecure but best ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 and currently available. ours were cheaper before. think perfectly reasonable if we were the most expensive due to location, team, stadium etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Once it has been established where we rank in price, would it then be fair to rank that against quality of experience (ground/facilities/ease of getting to/performances etc) to get a true reflection of value for money. Not sure exactly how to do this but surely that would be Fair! Maybe even the average regional salaries should also be taken into account! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Ok, but you agree that due to the product on offer at St Mary's this season we should be up towards the top of the expense list ?? As are Man Utd, Chelsea Etc in their respective division ? I don't think our prices are OTT,never said they were, what I said is they are the 3rd most expensive in the league, and our matchday prices are the most expensive in the league. You can't compare 'most expensive ticket' because some grounds have retardedly expensive centre areas... but comparing a standard adult price to other clubs, we have the most expensive matchday prices, and I believe at least all of the London clubs and Brighton should have more expensive tickets. So in summary... our season tickets are acceptable value, our matchday tickets are pricey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 (edited) ...with your calculations where do we rank in price! actually could Stu & Nick G pleas both post rankings at some stage, this little tiff has tweaked my interest. ...the 3rd most expensive in the league, and our matchday prices are the most expensive in the league.......... our season tickets are acceptable value, our matchday tickets are pricey. sorry stu, you actually have done it already. I hope membership sorts out your problem. Edited 6 July, 2010 by westofshannonsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 How many times do you dullards need to be told before it goes in? I didn't compare family enclosure prices... if I did then I would have posted up Hudds cheapest ticket at £125 for example. These are standard adult seats. So, why did you put up the TERRACE prices of £260 for Bristol????????????????????????? You are making a right idiot of yourself.............. again. If you don;t want to go, don;t if you do, the prices to pay have been given. ST prices for Saints has gone down since we were relegated, all apart from the first season in the CCC, where they were the same. However, our costs have been higher, our wage bill was higher, and all in all, the difference of £50 for a season as opposed to going to someone like Huddersfield, well, the travel alone each week would make up the difference. Land prices in the North are nearly in all cases cheaper. creating stadiums are also cheaper. The local wage is also lower. etc. etc. etc. The prices Nick gives are the price of the tickets without discounts, and seeing as the majority of those discounts have now expired, you are talking about prices that you can no longer purchase, so, comparing actual ticket prices is a much better way of doing things, unless of course you have a time machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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