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spyinthesky

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First of all I am not trying to defend those 'supporters' who were hauled before the Courts following the Pompey Cup Tie.

 

Also I do know all the details of their crimes or convictions.

 

However it does occur to me that they were not actually involved in hurting anyone (as far as I am aware)

 

In comparison, according to headlines in the Liverpool Echo, several Liverpool fans have been found guilty of quite a serious attack on a Man Utd fan and yet appear to have been let off without incarceration

 

The Law doesn't appear to be consistent here

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The Law doesn't appear to be consistent here

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/07/27/liverpool-fc-fans-banned-for-four-years-after-attack-on-man-utd-supporter-100252-26936807/

 

The difference is obvious. The Scousers were just having a friendly kick about. Scousers are a laugh a minute so of course they didn't mean any harm. Watch the video from this site and spot how friendly they are compared to the Saints fans who got jailed.

 

The Man Utd fans who got attacked each got 3 years inside. Guess it serves them right for causing so much trouble.

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First of all I am not trying to defend those 'supporters' who were hauled before the Courts following the Pompey Cup Tie...The Law doesn't appear to be consistent here

 

Add to that the sentence handed out in the last couple of days to the two scrotes that 'happy-slapped' and killed a pensioner in front of his young grandson and it makes the prison sentences given to those Saints fans appear even more ridiculous...and inconsistent.

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Some travesties of justice. Particularly around kids & twisted sex offenders which bugs me when they can be harsh & impose sentences when they want to. Not that I really give a sh*t about these fans as they're still morons & trouble making tossers so they made their own bed...I'm more annoyed when people like those that attacked that pensioner (in front of his GRANDSON!) get off so lightly. People like that should be hung. Not kept by the tax payer as a burden to society. Judging by some reports & exposes on prison life, you have to question the entire ethics of the criminal justice system. Rewards & luxuries to serious criminals...NO!

 

Thugs getting harsh sentences. Not ideal (esp. for those without a record) but it sets a clear message. Don't fookin' do it & don't get involved!

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alehouseboys

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Thugs getting harsh sentences. Not ideal (esp. for those without a record) but it sets a clear message. Don't fookin' do it & don't get involved!

 

Well that message certainly has'nt never got through on Merseyside after decades of the scallies being some of the most violent around and "harsh sentences" don't appear to be the norm for thugs up there.

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wild-saint

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football hooligans are scum. I took my 7 year old to that match and frankly whether they hurt anyone or not they turned a family event into a situation where children could have got hurt. I for one think a harsh punishment is a great way to make people think twice in future. No sympathy from where i sit.

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Did any of the pompey fans get arrested or was it all saints??

I'm pretty sure they were not angels that day and havent heard of any of their fans getting arrested or sentenced...although i dont know the ins and outs of the court case.

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football hooligans are scum. I took my 7 year old to that match and frankly whether they hurt anyone or not they turned a family event into a situation where children could have got hurt. I for one think a harsh punishment is a great way to make people think twice in future. No sympathy from where i sit.

 

Guess you are a new soccer fan who never went to a match in the 70s. Or maybe a Daily Mail reader.

 

Saints V Skates a 'family event'

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Add to that the sentence handed out in the last couple of days to the two scrotes that 'happy-slapped' and killed a pensioner in front of his young grandson and it makes the prison sentences given to those Saints fans appear even more ridiculous...and inconsistent.

 

So what you are saying is that the length of sentence of the happy slappers is correct and thus the benchmark to set other sentences by? What a load of cr*p.

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Hmmm. Yeah. Right. So all the pontificators sat through all the trials and weighed up all the evidence, then correlated this with the current modus operanus of the courts, taking into account all the police/social services/probabtioners reports etc.

 

Bollerx they did

 

They just get a quick sniff of the headline then its off with the biased, bigoted crap-trap that is all you get. Facts? Bugger the facts. Evidence? Bugger the evidence. Prejudice? now you are taliking mate - we've got plenty of that! Enough prejudice and bile-soaked sputum to last a few pogroms.

 

OK, the normal beak isn't exaclt y normal, but they tend to be dispassionate, in their way, and a Farkin sight more objective than yer average poster here. At least they have to sit through the turgid boredom of hearing the evidence, so at least give tem the credit for that. but no. evidence be buggered, lets go for blind prejudice! you know you love it!

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Guess you are a new soccer fan who never went to a match in the 70s. Or maybe a Daily Mail reader.

 

Saints V Skates a 'family event'

 

Guess you are an outdated, old man who hasn't caught up with the times? Don't roll out the 'it was ok in the 70s' rubbish again. So was racism, homophobia and wearing polyester suits. Although you probably still do one of those things.

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football hooligans are scum. I took my 7 year old to that match and frankly whether they hurt anyone or not they turned a family event into a situation where children could have got hurt. I for one think a harsh punishment is a great way to make people think twice in future. No sympathy from where i sit.

 

Family event? children getting hurt? shut up you mong!!!!

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So what you are saying is that the length of sentence of the happy slappers is correct and thus the benchmark to set other sentences by? What a load of cr*p.

 

What the f*ck are you on about.

 

The point I'm making is the sentences handed out to the scouse 'football hooligans' for a worse crime compared to the far harsher sentences handed out to Saints 'football hooligans' is "inconsistent".

 

If you then compare the sentences given to the c*nts that killed a defenceless old man in front of his young grand child, which were only slightly harsher than dished out in Southampton for "fence rattling" and "throwing a coin", etc. then the law is f*cking crazy.

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Guess you are an outdated, old man who hasn't caught up with the times? Don't roll out the 'it was ok in the 70s' rubbish again. So was racism, homophobia and wearing polyester suits. Although you probably still do one of those things.

 

What have my mates Chalkie & Quentin got to do with it?

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Family event? children getting hurt? shut up you mong!!!!

 

yeah a football match is an event that is attended by adults and children alike. why should i put up with mindless idiots creating an agressive threatening atmosphere outside the ground clearly looking for trouble and throwing missiles.

 

if you think that is acceptable behaviour then you are clearly in possession of an IQ that will need watering if it gets much lower.

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Add to that the sentence handed out in the last couple of days to the two scrotes that 'happy-slapped' and killed a pensioner in front of his young grandson and it makes the prison sentences given to those Saints fans appear even more ridiculous...and inconsistent.

 

I don't see how anyone could possibly argue with that (that the Saints sentences look ridiculous compared to this case - not that they were necessarily too harsh per se).

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Alain Perrin

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I mean't what brmbrm says...... :)

 

Posters would do well to think about how much they know rather than how much they 'feel'. i.e. **** all vs. outrage.

 

Hmmm. Yeah. Right. So all the pontificators sat through all the trials and weighed up all the evidence, then correlated this with the current modus operanus of the courts, taking into account all the police/social services/probabtioners reports etc.

 

Bollerx they did

 

They just get a quick sniff of the headline then its off with the biased, bigoted crap-trap that is all you get. Facts? Bugger the facts. Evidence? Bugger the evidence. Prejudice? now you are taliking mate - we've got plenty of that! Enough prejudice and bile-soaked sputum to last a few pogroms.

 

OK, the normal beak isn't exaclt y normal, but they tend to be dispassionate, in their way, and a Farkin sight more objective than yer average poster here. At least they have to sit through the turgid boredom of hearing the evidence, so at least give tem the credit for that. but no. evidence be buggered, lets go for blind prejudice! you know you love it!

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It was the first thing I thought of when I saw this on the news. If anything sums up this country today it was this and the following 'justice'. These guys will be out in less than 2 years for killing someone, and they were convicted of manslaughter because it couldn't be proved that they intended to kill him. If it was down to me I would bring back penal colonies and Île du Diable, if you have seen or read the excellent Papilon you will know waht I mean.

6 months for being a bit idiotic with minimal intent against 2 years for killing a defenceless old man waiting with his 4 year old grand daughter, it doesn't make any sense.

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Guess you are an outdated, old man who hasn't caught up with the times? Don't roll out the 'it was ok in the 70s' rubbish again. So was racism, homophobia and wearing polyester suits. Although you probably still do one of those things.

 

It's not a case of harking back to the 70's. Football is an inherently tribal sport and intense rivalries like ours with the skates are part and parcel of the game. It's what makes a local derby that little bit special. It provides that extra edge that makes you look forward to the game weeks and weeks before hand. It makes you care that little bit more and shout extra loudly. You have to be realistic in your expections in these circumstances. Its not going to be like a rugby match or Saints v Hartelpool. Therefore, you need to appreciate that, be careful and take extra precautions if necessary. If you don't then I don't think you appreciate what football is all about ... passion which can and does go a bit far at times. That's the reality.

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It's not a case of harking back to the 70's. Football is an inherently tribal sport and intense rivalries like ours with the skates are part and parcel of the game. It's what makes a local derby that little bit special. It provides that extra edge that makes you look forward to the game weeks and weeks before hand. It makes you care that little bit more and shout extra loudly. You have to be realistic in your expections in these circumstances. Its not going to be like a rugby match or Saints v Hartelpool. Therefore, you need to appreciate that, be careful and take extra precautions if necessary. If you don't then I don't think you appreciate what football is all about ... passion which can and does go a bit far at times. That's the reality.

 

Agree 100%, it seems that a lot of saints fans dont seem to get that though preaching from their happy clappy gospel of peace where every fan hugs in the street after games no matter what the result and swap scarves and haats. It does't make what happened right but as you say, that is the reality.

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The Saints fans sentences weren't harsh, the Liverpool fans sentences were lenient. There's a difference.

 

If the sentances were switched that would have been correct. Given Liverpools history, you'd have thought they'd be the first courts to clamp down and make examples of those invoved in this sort of going on.

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I believe the sentences were harsh. Isuspect when the Bournemouth fans come to town and start to big themselves up a lot of Saints fans will think twice about responding and so perhaps it will have served its purpose.

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Agree 100%, it seems that a lot of saints fans dont seem to get that though preaching from their happy clappy gospel of peace where every fan hugs in the street after games no matter what the result and swap scarves and haats. It does't make what happened right but as you say, that is the reality.

 

i dont think i or anyone else doesnt agree that a derby match is more passionate, heated or tense. Im sure we all understand the reality of football today and the fact that if you take a child to the game you need to be a little careful. I totally agee with all of that but i still think the guys that got caught up in any trouble / went lookign for it are scum and whilst the punishments are harsh i have no sympathy for any of them. Hopefully they and others like them will learn a harsh lesson that will make future games a safer / less agressive place in the future.

I think what some on here mistake is agreesion for passion as they are totally different things.

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I believe the sentences were harsh. Isuspect when the Bournemouth fans come to town and start to big themselves up a lot of Saints fans will think twice about responding and so perhaps it will have served its purpose.

 

Bournemouth Biging themselves up! ;-)

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i dont think i or anyone else doesnt agree that a derby match is more passionate, heated or tense. Im sure we all understand the reality of football today and the fact that if you take a child to the game you need to be a little careful. I totally agee with all of that but i still think the guys that got caught up in any trouble / went lookign for it are scum and whilst the punishments are harsh i have no sympathy for any of them. Hopefully they and others like them will learn a harsh lesson that will make future games a safer / less agressive place in the future.

I think what some on here mistake is agreesion for passion as they are totally different things.

 

It wont though, its almost 25 years since the first big jail sentances were handed out to Chelsea & West Ham boys, some of them got 10 years, now whilst a lot of these sentances were quashed due to police corruption during the investigations here we are 25 years on still with a hooligan element at every club. Its nothing like it was, rarely any aggro inside grounds and you are unlikely to be caught up in trouble unless you want to be involved in it, but it is still there. It is a society problem, men + alochol + passions and emotions running high can often lead to violence. As for these people saying 'why should a few idiots ruin their day' thats life, if you dont like it dont go, it's like saying why should i lock my front doors, windows and car, why should I not leave my wallet unattended on the table in a pub whilst i go off to the toilet, why is it dangerous for a woman to be walking home alone at 3am? Its not right but Its society we live in. People know the clubs and games that are high risk, if they are worried dont go or dont walk past the away end,dont go into town, take measures to ensure you are safe, you wouldn't walk round Townhill Park if you knew a gang from Thornhill were in the area looking for trouble would you?

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Alain Perrin

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only two? is one not enough? for this he should be shot, i hope you are being ironic or similar if not you are a c##t

 

No you're just being illiterate (you can't even spell ****) :) . The clue is in the "I'm not defending Venables but don't make stuff [up] ". ie. it's not about the offence it's about people's lack of grasp of the facts / deliberate exaggeration (something that seems to be rife on hooligan threads where "all they did was pet kittens and get 3 years for it FFS....").

 

Let judges be judges.

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