Pressure getting to everybody

[lordswoodsaints]

We were always going to be under pressure this season with the expectation from the media,the bookies and the fans to get promoted and I suspect we all thought we would get promoted in style,swatting 'lesser' teams aside who dared to challenge our superiority.

If you couple the pressure thing,which it seems a lot of our players can't handle,with the loss of ML,the sacking of pardew,the lack of a few quality signings in key areas,lallana's injury and the lack of fitness of a couple of profile players then that all adds up to a disaster......namely us.

 

If we can get a decent manager in this week and a few quality loans then there is still no reason why we cannot get promoted.

I'm not a 'cortese til I die/in cortese we trust' type of fan but I'm sure he can be trusted to make the right managerial appointment.....at the end of the day our club shouldn't be too hard to sell to anybody,the only thing that let's us down is the league we are in,apart from that there should be managers falling over themselves to get an interview,cortese should feel like a BMW salesman,he doesn't need to do much to get the customer to part with his money.....it's a lot easier than trying to sell a Nissan anyway.

 

Roses grow out of sh!t,hopefully we will do the same.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It's not the pressure. We would have beaten both Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was still Manager.

[Topcat]

If we can get a decent manager in this week and a few quality loans then there is still no reason why we cannot get promoted.

 

Yes but they will have to put up with the Les Reed empire and being over ruled on which players are brought in.

[benjii]

It's not the pressure. We would have beaten both Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was still Manager.

 

Possibly the silliest post on here for sometime.

[sadoldgit]

It's not the pressure. We would have beaten both Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was still Manager.

 

You could well be right. Cortese added to the pressure 100% when he sacked Pardew with what can only be described as ridiculous timing. And for those who slated Pardew for having no Plan B, Cortese doesn't seem to have a Plan A.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Possibly the silliest post on here for sometime.

 

How?

[thorpie the sinner]

These players are being payed a lot of money to play for SFC. They should be professional enough to play under anybody! As for this team winning against Swindon and Rochdale under pards, I am not so sure! Plymouth and Orient spring to mind! Once the bus was parked, pards had no idea how to break it down and that is factual now!!

[thorpie the sinner]

You could well be right. Cortese added to the pressure 100% when he sacked Pardew with what can only be described as ridiculous timing. And for those who slated Pardew for having no Plan B, Cortese doesn't seem to have a Plan A.

 

I agree about the timing, but if Cortese brings in a manager that 'wows' the fans and gets us promoted, I am sure he will be forgiven!

[alpine_saint]

It's not the pressure. We would have beaten both Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was still Manager.

 

B*ll*cks.

 

We lost twice to Swindon last year, once with a better team than yesterday. Face facts, Danny Wilson has the measure of us and is a better manager than Pardew will ever be.

 

I reckon Lordswoodsaint is right, once the right manager is appointed, Barnard is off his ban, Goolie has settled and clued up a bit more, and maybe a loan or two brought in, I expect us to be right back in the mix.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

B*ll*cks.

 

We lost twice to Swindon last year, once with a better team than yesterday. Face facts, Danny Wilson has the measure of us and is a better manager than Pardew will ever be.

 

I reckon Lordswoodsaint is right, once the right manager is appointed, Barnard is off his ban, Goolie has settled and clued up a bit more, and maybe a loan or two brought in, I expect us to be right back in the mix.

 

IMHO, I think this has put us back massively, and WILL cost us promotion that I was confident would have been achieved under Pardew.

[sadoldgit]

I agree about the timing, but if Cortese brings in a manager that 'wows' the fans and gets us promoted, I am sure he will be forgiven!

 

If being the operative word. Mind you, if all of the playground stuff going on about PMs has any substance then Jose is on his way to St Mary's!!!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

IMHO, I think this has put us back massively, and WILL cost us promotion that I was confident would have been achieved under Pardew.

 

I fully agree,we look like a team that has no direction....

[Cabrone]

Yes but they will have to put up with the Les Reed empire and being over ruled on which players are brought in.

 

If that is true then no stability will ever be achieved.

 

The manager MUST have authority over his no.2 - any other arrangement will not work.

 

If NC were to pull that elusive rabbit out of the hat and get a top manager like MoN (not saying it's likely - just an IF) then I'd be fairly sure that the new manager would let NC know in no uncertain terms just how the power structure would work.

 

That all said I can't believe that NC wouldn't know this already and that's why I don't believe this piece of gossip in the first place.

[aintforever]

There is alot of pressure and Cortese seemed to enjoy piling more pressure on the shoulders of the manager and players, which I don't think has been a great help.

 

At least now the pressure is all on Cortese. If he screws up this managerial appointment the liebherrs might start to think about replacing him with someone with a proven record of success at running a football club.

[alpine_saint]

You could well be right. Cortese added to the pressure 100% when he sacked Pardew with what can only be described as ridiculous timing. And for those who slated Pardew for having no Plan B, Cortese doesn't seem to have a Plan A.

 

One that he is willing to share with you at this time, you mean.

[lordswoodsaints]

There is alot of pressure and Cortese seemed to enjoy piling more pressure on the shoulders of the manager and players, which I don't think has been a great help.

 

At least now the pressure is all on Cortese. If he screws up this managerial appointment the liebherrs might start to think about replacing him with someone with a proven record of success at running a football club.

 

For the level of spending and investment don't you think cortese is entitled to turn the screws now and again?

Ok,last year we were shackled by the -10 but we still did very well,this year the shackles are not there so there really are no excuses.

[alpine_saint]

IMHO, I think this has put us back massively, and WILL cost us promotion that I was confident would have been achieved under Pardew.

 

IMO you are deluded if you think we would have got higher than playoffs this season under Pardew.

 

Pre-season was a complete f**k-up, and he wanted to wait until the very end of the window to bring essential transfers in (that we will now never have...)

Edited 5 September, 2010 by alpine_saint

[alpine_saint]

For the level of spending and investment don't you think cortese is entitled to turn the screws now and again?

Ok,last year we were shackled by the -10 but we still did very well,this year the shackles are not there so there really are no excuses.

 

And that is the whole point. There were absolutely no excuses for this season, but the whining about pressure started before a ball had been kicked, we focused on cup games when we shouldnt have and then the manager starts whining about needing an away match.

 

Utter b*ll*cks.

[aintforever]

For the level of spending and investment don't you think cortese is entitled to turn the screws now and again?

 

Professional footballers, like any professionals, put themselves under pressure. They have the weight of expectation of being favourites on their shoulders, pressure from the manager, fans and the press. They need a jumped up little banker telling them what they should be doing like a hole in the head. IMO

[MarkSFC]

Pressure is a marvelous thing. Pressure is what drives successful people and those who handle it best seperate themselves from losers. So called pressure comes from expectation normally on the back of some sort of over achievment. The pressure that is talked about in regard to Saints this season is firlled by a large base of fans who just aren't used to success. How they handle that and react is expressing itself now.

 

Last season in hindsight was actually a bit of an easy season for Pardew. The fan base majority did not expect the play-offs or a trophy so when it came everything was great. Motivating a team of "generally better than League 1standard" to do what they did was a reasonably good achievement.

 

Inside the club last year Pardew no doubt recieved instruction that the play-offs were the target. How Pardew handled that is open to debate but this season he most definitely showed signs of not being able to handle that "pressure" put in him. But the perception of pressure is an internal thing and if Pardews mindsight and the way he worked did not change from last year then I thunk he would still be in the job.

 

I think that Cortese and definitely Markus saw that when they exerted some external "pressure" Pardew could not or did not handle it, and what defines the great from the good is their ability to make sound decisions in moments of stress. If they were concerned about his ability in League 1 how could they let him get to the Prem?!

 

Cortese has made that big call and "externally" is under pressure to come good with a top manager. Ultimately his decision will be judged at the end if the season but the initial fan reaction to the appointment will decide how much "external" pressure the new manager comes under.

 

Maybe we/he is lucky that 4 of the next 5 games are away from St Marys?!

 

Pressure.....it's all in the mind.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

IMO you are deluded if you think we would have got higher than playoffs this season under Pardew.

 

Pre-season was a complete f**k-up, and he wanted to wait until the very end of the window to bring essential transfers in (that we will now never have...)

 

Actually that`s his opinion,shared by quite a few people,i spoke to several at sms yesterday.

 

I love the way you slate other posters opinion yet whinge big time if people don`t respect yours.

[Deppo]

It's not the pressure. We would have beaten both Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was still Manager.

 

Possibly the silliest post on here for sometime.

 

How?

 

Because you don't know what would have happened in AP was still manager. That's why it is silly. Like you.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

IMO you are deluded if you think we would have got higher than playoffs this season under Pardew.

 

Pre-season was a complete f**k-up, and he wanted to wait until the very end of the window to bring essential transfers in (that we will now never have...)

 

Lets just agree to disagree yeah?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Because you don't know what would have happened in AP was still manager. That's why it is silly. Like you.

 

So no-one can make statements about what could happen then?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Actually that`s his opinion,shared by quite a few people,i spoke to several at sms yesterday.

 

I love the way you slate other posters opinion yet whinge big time if people don`t respect yours.

 

It's alright, it's just Alpine's way. It surprises me as I thought fat people were meant to be jolly.

[docker-p]

I think Southampton will be an increasingly difficult sell to prospective managers. Would you want a boss like Clotese?

Although apparently 'the Special One' is on his way.

Edited 5 September, 2010 by docker-p

[alpine_saint]

Actually that`s his opinion,shared by quite a few people,i spoke to several at sms yesterday.

 

I love the way you slate other posters opinion yet whinge big time if people don`t respect yours.

 

The "several at sms yesterday" are also deluded then.

[alpine_saint]

It's alright, it's just Alpine's way. It surprises me as I thought fat people were meant to be jolly.

 

I can do something about being fat. Delusion is much harder to fix.

[Deppo]

So no-one can make statements about what could happen then?

 

Of course you can express your opinion, just don't pretend that it's fact. You see, in the post that I have quoted you say "what could happen", which is fine, but in the original post you say "we would have" and that is very diffferent. It's not a major problem, just admit you're wrong, apologise and let's move on.

[Turkish]

And that is the whole point. There were absolutely no excuses for this season, but the whining about pressure started before a ball had been kicked, we focused on cup games when we shouldnt have and then the manager starts whining about needing an away match.

 

Utter b*ll*cks.

 

I agree with you there, if the players cant handle the pressure of Orient at home two games into the season, how the f*ck are they going to cope at the business end of the season when we need to win games to secure promtion or the league title? We should have beaten both Plymouth and Orient, it came down to some back defending, bad finishing a bit of bad luck against Orient and reverting to humping it long when we got a bit desperate, nothing to do with pressure.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

The "several at sms yesterday" are also deluded then.

 

Maybe but it is their opinion....

 

Your opinion you make out to be fact....

 

Yet are rarely at SMS to be able to give a fully informed opinion and rely on radio comentary and the view of

posters that share your view.

 

You have no idea if we would have seen success under AP and nor do we its and opinion but sadly you

post yours as fact....are you a fortune teller?

Edited 5 September, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I can do something about being fat. Delusion is much harder to fix.

 

Delusion: an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary

 

Can you show me the evidence to the contrary please?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Of course you can express your opinion, just don't pretend that it's fact. You see, in the post that I have quoted you say "what could happen", which is fine, but in the original post you say "we would have" and that is very diffferent. It's not a major problem, just admit you're wrong, apologise and let's move on.

 

But it is my opinion that promotion 'would' have happened under Pardew? I don't understand why that being my opinion is silly? That makes no sense.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

I wonder if Cortese has lost the plot since the sad parting of Markus and with the overall running of the club in his hands I am worried. Did he not think that sacking the manager in a three day gap between games was not a good idea?. It also would appear are loan signings last season had more impact than our STAR? players. We have one of the biggest squads in the league and I expect one of the highest wage bills but we are made to look like a bunch of useless idiots and this is happening over and over again. Seems we have taken 10 steps backwards in the last week and I fear this is more of a blow than the -10 points last season because here we are some 3 weeks into the season and we are already nearly 10 points behind the leaders but at least last year we were together with fight and steel this year wet dishcloth comes to mind.

[kpturner]

I wonder if Cortese has lost the plot since the sad parting of Markus and with the overall running of the club in his hands I am worried. Did he not think that sacking the manager in a three day gap between games was not a good idea?. It also would appear are loan signings last season had more impact than our STAR? players. We have one of the biggest squads in the league and I expect one of the highest wage bills but we are made to look like a bunch of useless idiots and this is happening over and over again. Seems we have taken 10 steps backwards in the last week and I fear this is more of a blow than the -10 points last season because here we are some 3 weeks into the season and we are already nearly 10 points behind the leaders but at least last year we were together with fight and steel this year wet dishcloth comes to mind.

Personally I do not think Cortese has lost the plot at all - and I also do not think we have one of the biggest squads in the league (quite the opposite in fact). Something that has to be addressed under a new manager in the loan window.

[Window Cleaner]

I wonder if Cortese has lost the plot since the sad parting of Markus and with the overall running of the club in his hands I am worried. Did he not think that sacking the manager in a three day gap between games was not a good idea?. It also would appear are loan signings last season had more impact than our STAR? players. We have one of the biggest squads in the league and I expect one of the highest wage bills but we are made to look like a bunch of useless idiots and this is happening over and over again. Seems we have taken 10 steps backwards in the last week and I fear this is more of a blow than the -10 points last season because here we are some 3 weeks into the season and we are already nearly 10 points behind the leaders but at least last year we were together with fight and steel this year wet dishcloth comes to mind.

 

It is impossible to answer this question without knowing exactly why AP was sacked.

Without that fact all the rest is totally irrelevant.

[Deppo]

But it is my opinion that promotion 'would' have happened under Pardew? I don't understand why that being my opinion is silly? That makes no sense.

 

You don't even know what you said. You weren't talking about promotion, you said we would have won the last two games under Pardew - something you don't know. Change your post to we "could" have won the last two and say sorry. Then shutup.

[benjii]

But it is my opinion that promotion 'would' have happened under Pardew? I don't understand why that being my opinion is silly? That makes no sense.

 

The post I said was silly was the one in which you said we would have beaten Swindon and Rochdale if Pardew was in charge.

 

Seeing as yesterday was a carbon copy of the two home league games we had under Pardew I pointed out that was a silly observation. It was also silly because:

 

a) it was worded in the absolute - as Deppo has explained to you that makes it virtually meaningless as a valid viewpoint as it just ignores the vicissitudes of reality; and

b) the reason we didn't win yesterday was because people on our team missed easy chances. It doesn't matter who the manager is if players blaze easy chances from five yards over the bar.

[Dalek2003]

And that is the whole point. There were absolutely no excuses for this season, but the whining about pressure started before a ball had been kicked, we focused on cup games when we shouldnt have and then the manager starts whining about needing an away match.

 

Utter b*ll*cks.

 

Agreed

[Saint_clark]

The "several at sms yesterday" are also deluded then.

 

You absolute moron.

[alpine_saint]

Delusion: an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary

 

Can you show me the evidence to the contrary please?

 

Oh, so because AP has been fired and him getting us promoted can no longer be proven or disproven, that makes your opnion fact, does it ?

 

Riiiight....

[alpine_saint]

You absolute moron.

 

Wow, what a convincing argument

[Saint_clark]

Wow, what a convincing argument

 

No matter what anyone tries to debate with you, it gets dismissed as delusional anyway. What's the point.

[Seaford Saint]

Alpine I have apologised to you before but I have to say that I understand why you **** an awful lot people off

[alpine_saint]

No matter what anyone tries to debate with you, it gets dismissed as delusional anyway. What's the point.

 

Dont bother then.

 

But I reserve the right to take the p*ss out of such daft comments as saying Pardew would have got us promoted.

 

No way. No F**KING WAY. He hasnt had the relationship with NC since around last February needed in order to achieve promotion. NC clearly didnt trust him or respect his opinion. Pardews presence at the club was clearly holding us back, taking as a fact that NCs presence is like an unmovable object. Therefore a new manager with a clean slate with NC is the only way forward. Provided the manager chosen has the right qualities and experience, this incident has INCREASED our chances of promotion.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine I have apologised to you before but I have to say that I understand why you **** an awful lot people off

 

What, because I call them deluded and then explain why ?

 

Sorry, this is a football chatsite, not a Middle East peace conference. I dont see why straight talking is so offensive. Some people on here dont get it unless you verbally bash them over the head with it.

[madruss]

Dont bother then.

 

But I reserve the right to take the p*ss out of such daft comments as saying Pardew would have got us promoted.

 

No way. No F**KING WAY. He hasnt had the relationship with NC since around last February needed in order to achieve promotion. NC clearly didnt trust him or respect his opinion. Pardews presence at the club was clearly holding us back, taking as a fact that NCs presence is like an unmovable object. Therefore a new manager with a clean slate with NC is the only way forward. Provided the manager chosen has the right qualities and experience, this incident has INCREASED our chances of promotion.

 

But what happens when the new guy has a disagreement with Cortese, because clearly they will - unless they're just an agreeable 'yes man' who'll concede to all of Nicola's demands.

 

Granted, Pardew was rumoured as a bit of an egotist but which successful managers aren't? Most fans would be delighted with MON as manager, but there's no chance he'd take any s*it from Cortese.

 

My biggest worry is that we're never going to have stability at the club unless NC agrees to let the manager manage the club and put complete faith in him. Perhaps he's prepared to do this with the new guy but, if not, I can see the Pardew situation happening again and again.

[Deppo]

The pressure of what is happening at saints is affecting my personal life. Earlier today I walked out on my wife and baby (6 months, just gone) and moved into a small studio flat.

[Seaford Saint]

What, because I call them deluded and then explain why ?

 

Sorry, this is a football chatsite, not a Middle East peace conference. I dont see why straight talking is so offensive. Some people on here dont get it unless you verbally bash them over the head with it.

 

I am not going to argue with you again, you were not at either of the Swindon games last year and I was. I can tell you that the team this season is vastly superior to the one at the Swindon away game. I would say that you had to be there to see that game before spouting off an opinion. How you can have the opinions you have with the certainty you hold them is beyond me. It is obviously your right to an opinion, of course it is, but I do wonder why you can't see that for some one like you who doesn't go to games, pre season or otherwise, should attempts to argue with those that do attend them. What data do you work on other than second hand newspaper reports, presumably the occasional televised match obviously the results and reading stuff on here.

[alpine_saint]

But what happens when the new guy has a disagreement with Cortese, because clearly they will - unless they're just an agreeable 'yes man' who'll concede to all of Nicola's demands.

 

Granted, Pardew was rumoured as a bit of an egotist but which successful managers aren't? Most fans would be delighted with MON as manager, but there's no chance he'd take any s*it from Cortese.

 

My biggest worry is that we're never going to have stability at the club unless NC agrees to let the manager manage the club and put complete faith in him. Perhaps he's prepared to do this with the new guy but, if not, I can see the Pardew situation happening again and again.

 

I am hoping that NC has had a little shock to his system, and that all of the experienced suitable candidates that he talks to make it clear that they will have little truck with his interference.