hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Still no word. I wonder if we will have one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Very unlikely, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Haven't they been (unofficially) superseded by the 'Come Dine With Me' sessions...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think the dinners are a better way of working it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Haven't they been (unofficially) superseded by the 'Come Dine With Me' sessions...? Would have been nice to have some confirmation of this. Also seems very unfair not to allow non season ticket holders a chance to ask questions face to face. What about those season ticket holders who don't get invited to a meal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think the dinners are a better way of working it anyway. Well no because then only select season ticket holders get an invite. I have had a season ticket for two of the last three years but not this year for financial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Yeah I have been a big fan of the Cortese regime but not having a forum is a bit of a poor show. Especially seeing as things are positive anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Well no because then only select season ticket holders get an invite. I have had a season ticket for two of the last three years but not this year for financial reasons. Each to their own. I think the more personal environment makes it better. The majority of Saints fans all want to ask the same questions anyway when these things come around - and more often than not there's a poster on here who gets an invite, or knows someone that did, and they post a synopsis of what was said. Besides, we still seem to be in a transition stage off the field - removal of instalment plans and the reasons behind it being one example - so i'd wait until next season before worrying about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Would have been nice to have some confirmation of this. Also seems very unfair not to allow non season ticket holders a chance to ask questions face to face. What about those season ticket holders who don't get invited to a meal? I wouldn't say it is unfair at all, of course the sessions should be aimed at STH's as otherwise you could be any tom **** or harry. STH's should be treated better, offered deals and given priorities and rightfully so IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Each to their own. I think the more personal environment makes it better. The majority of Saints fans all want to ask the same questions anyway when these things come around - and more often than not there's a poster on here who gets an invite, or knows someone that did, and they post a synopsis of what was said. Besides, we still seem to be in a transition stage off the field - removal of instalment plans and the reasons behind it being one example - so i'd wait until next season before worrying about this. I think it's a poor show to say it was delayed till January due to the passing of Markus (fair enough) but then cancel it on the quiet if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I wouldn't say it is unfair at all, of course the sessions should be aimed at STH's as otherwise you could be any tom **** or harry. STH's should be treated better, offered deals and given priorities and rightfully so IMO. Firstly this isn't all season ticket holders being treated equally because on some are invited, secondly yes season ticket holders should be treated better but equally I believe that fans who are not ST holders should also be given a chance to give their views face to face. I have attended all the fans forums since Lowe and they worked well IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think it's a poor show to say it was delayed till January due to the passing of Markus (fair enough) but then cancel it on the quiet if that is the case. I honestly heard nothing like that from the club. Any link? It's also possible Cortese heard about Chorley throwing money at previous owners and thought he'd avoid the nutters like him. Let's be honest there's a fair share of outspoken people who seem to have an axe to grind with the current regime at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I agree with that, as much as i prefer the way they are doing the dinners, i think that seeing as they announced the forum was moved, if it was cancelled they should say something. Of course, we don't know that the forum HAS been cancelled yet, and also TBF to Cortese he has done a few large interviews and these dinners which is a lot more than most clubs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I wouldn't say it is unfair at all, of course the sessions should be aimed at STH's as otherwise you could be any tom **** or harry. STH's should be treated better, offered deals and given priorities and rightfully so IMO. I agree. It's like Full Members and Registered Users on here. we've paid our £5 so deserve to have better treatment than those who haven't paid because we are helping keep SWF afloat/line Boj's pocket. Season ticket holders are the people who keep Saints afloat and they should be listened to more than those "fans" who don't have a season ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Firstly this isn't all season ticket holders being treated equally because on some are invited, secondly yes season ticket holders should be treated better but equally I believe that fans who are not ST holders should also be given a chance to give their views face to face. I have attended all the fans forums since Lowe and they worked well IMO. I am not a STH this year BTW, for work and financial reasons (been a weird year this one). Funnilly enough if there was an instalment plan i would probably have plumped for one again this year but hey ho. Yeah, i can see they are good and allow many people to field their views, but i am firmly of the opinion that if you really want to be asking the club questions etc then you should really be supporting that club with a ST. That may just be IMO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I agree. It's like Full Members and Registered Users on here. we've paid our £5 so deserve to have better treatment than those who haven't paid because we are helping keep SWF afloat/line Boj's pocket. Season ticket holders are the people who keep Saints afloat and they should be listened to more than those "fans" who don't have a season ticket. I can't tell when you are being sarcastic any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?25784-Fans-forum&highlight=fans+forum According to this at one of the dinners Cortese said it should be something organised as soon as possible and radio solent on twitter said it was being organised for the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I can't tell when you are being sarcastic any more First sentence ironic, second sentence I believe he was giving his real opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think the dinners are a better way of working it anyway. Far better. We actually get answers to questions that would not come forth in an open forum and insights far more revealing than I have ever heard from the fans forums. All the right questions get asked and there is little ducking of the question because of press presence, all getting reported back to the masses in a true and fair manner. Spared the embarrassment of Perry McMillan or the other SIS cohorts spouting forth, a win win every way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I am not a STH this year BTW, for work and financial reasons (been a weird year this one). Funnilly enough if there was an instalment plan i would probably have plumped for one again this year but hey ho. Yeah, i can see they are good and allow many people to field their views, but i am firmly of the opinion that if you really want to be asking the club questions etc then you should really be supporting that club with a ST. That may just be IMO though. That's a very bizarre view IMO. You may have more of a RIGHT to ask questions in the views of some but ST holders being the only ones who should be able to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Far better. We actually get answers to questions that would not come forth in an open forum and insights far more revealing than I have ever heard from the fans forums. All the right questions get asked and there is little ducking of the question because of press presence, all getting reported back to the masses in a true and fair manner. Spared the embarrassment of Perry McMillan or the other SIS cohorts spouting forth, a win win every way you look at it. IMO we should have both as there is value to be gained from both methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 IMO it's wrong to say a st holder is a better fan than a non-st holder; I believe a st holder is more likely to be a better fan than a non-st holder, however. On a related note, if I was talking to a Saints fan about tactics/good-performing players/poorly-performing payers etc I'd have more respect their opinion if they were a st holder attending every game than if they hardly ever attended - is this so wrong? Surely, for obvious reasons, their opinion would be informed in they were the former?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 That's a very bizarre view IMO. You may have more of a RIGHT to ask questions in the views of some but ST holders being the only ones who should be able to? I couldn't go into a working mens club, to which i am not a member, and start banging on about how they should be doing this and that. I agree in premise, that everyone should be able to ask questions. But if you really push me on it then it should really be the STH's that get priority and yes more of a right to ask questions directly to the club. Its not really bizarre, i can't quite fathom how it cannot be seen that a STH is making a financial commitment to the club and a random joe bloggs is not. In reponse to Saintmatt, a STH is not a better fan, i am not saying that at all, so lets put those beating sticks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I couldn't go into a working mens club, to which i am not a member, and start banging on about how they should be doing this and that. I agree in premise, that everyone should be able to ask questions. But if you really push me on it then it should really be the STH's that get priority and yes more of a right to ask questions directly to the club. Its not really bizarre, i can't quite fathom how it cannot be seen that a STH is making a financial commitment to the club and a random joe bloggs is not. In reponse to Saintmatt, a STH is not a better fan, i am not saying that at all, so lets put those beating sticks away. Agree it should be STH only, they are the ones who put most into the club and most supportive in the widest sense. The most dogmatic, vocally critical and 'odd' posters on this forum don't have season tickets, so thats another plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I couldn't go into a working mens club, to which i am not a member, and start banging on about how they should be doing this and that. I agree in premise, that everyone should be able to ask questions. But if you really push me on it then it should really be the STH's that get priority and yes more of a right to ask questions directly to the club. Its not really bizarre, i can't quite fathom how it cannot be seen that a STH is making a financial commitment to the club and a random joe bloggs is not. In reponse to Saintmatt, a STH is not a better fan, i am not saying that at all, so lets put those beating sticks away. I agree but that is not what you said. You said 'if you want to ask questions' then you should be a season ticket holder. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Agree it should be STH only, they are the ones who put most into the club and most supportive in the widest sense. The most dogmatic, vocally critical and 'odd' posters on this forum don't have season tickets, so thats another plus. Depends doesn't it. Puts the most into the club in one lump sum maybe but that's a different debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I agree but that is not what you said. You said 'if you want to ask questions' then you should be a season ticket holder. Big difference. You know what i meant, you are just being a tad pedantic now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Depends doesn't it. Puts the most into the club in one lump sum maybe but that's a different debate. It is very hard to judge how much someone that is not a STH puts in though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Just face facts Hypochondriac - your opinion is not as valid as a STH or, come to think of it, anyone else. In fact there are sad panda's in zoo's in China whose opinion is more sought after than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Far better. We actually get answers to questions that would not come forth in an open forum and insights far more revealing than I have ever heard from the fans forums. All the right questions get asked and there is little ducking of the question because of press presence, all getting reported back to the masses in a true and fair manner. Spared the embarrassment of Perry McMillan or the other SIS cohorts spouting forth, a win win every way you look at it. Absolutely agree. Im a ST holder and I dont feel its unfair that I might not get to go to a dinner... I know that the time may come and I will get my say then. I have every faith in the ST holders that are picked to ask the right questions for me. As they have done in the previous dinners. I think the informal dinners encourage a much more comfortable relaxed conversation rather than Cortese standing up in a room full of people with any old person shouting questions at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 They're just hijacked by shop stewards and rent-a-quote types. I don't think there is any need for them now because Nicola is single minded and what anyone else thinks is of no consequence. So far he's making mostly good decisions so let him get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Perhaps Cortese is mindful of the "dark forces" supposedly trying to undermine the club (i.e. the people he alluded to in his BBC interview)? and that an open forum could be sabotaged by these people...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 You know what i meant, you are just being a tad pedantic now I have no idea what you mean. I can only go on what you actually said. If you meant to say that you feel that STH have more of a right to ask questions then fair enough you have made a mistake. You should be clearer otherwise it looks like you are trying to mislead people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I have no idea what you mean. I can only go on what you actually said. If you meant to say that you feel that STH have more of a right to ask questions then fair enough you have made a mistake. You should be clearer otherwise it looks like you are trying to mislead people. Well, ok, whatever, i'll say it again but clearer. - STH's have more of a right than anyone to question the clubs on topics as they are the ones that are more committed and suportive of the club as a whole. - Fans forums that can invite ANYONE will be open to ANYONE which means that they don't necessarily have to be Saints fans and will be more likely to turn up just to cause trouble. - As much as fans without STH's are entitled to their opinions and questions precedents to such events should not be given to them as they are not necessarily committed/suportive both financially and in other ways. - The dinner situation is a more fan friendly and IMO much more in depth way to get info across to fans (though i would like it if the club would post minutes etc on the OS) - How many other clubs do any sort of fans question/answer sessions ? - But yes, if you specifically want to ask questions and be listened to then yes, you should be a 'member' of said institution and so a STH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 (edited) I've not seen any evidence to suggest that non saints fans have gone to fans forums in the past. You would have to be a pretty sad individual to attend a fans forum when you are not a fan. Your final point I totally disagree with also. SFC should listen to ALL it's supporters who ask questions whilst being mindful that the opinions of season ticket holders hold more weight. Cortese could for instance decide to start charging 80 pounds a match for adults (extreme example) whilst giving every season ticket holder twenty pounds back from their purchase. What I'm trying to say is that non season ticket holders should be able to question and query the club as well. I like the idea of the dinners but if it has been decided that it is the dinners and nothing else (not saying this is the case) then IMO that is a policy of exclusion which I don't agree with. Finally can I say how pleasantly surprised I have been by Cortese. He seems to be doing things much better now than in the summer when there were a number of confusing decisions. Long may it continue. I would like to think however that he is not above questioning and I would hope that the fans forums are not abolished completely. Edited 20 January, 2011 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 My mates Father in law is pretty wealthy, he moved into the area and wanted to watch Premiership football so he bought a S/T at The Dell and then SMS. He kept it for one season in the Championship and then stopped going. When we return to the Premiership he is wealthy enough to buy a S/T and start going again, to watch Premiership football. Will he "have more of a right than anyone to question the clubs on topics" than I do? I'm just some mug that cant make enough games to make a S/T financially viable (due to work), but has followed the club for nearly 40 years no matter what league we're in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think some of you need to get off your high horse ! So because I couldn't afford to stump up for my season ticket all in one go this year I have less of a say than those with more money than me? Fwiw I have still been going with my boy and it will probably cost me more over the duration of the season than it would of if I had a st so those of you who are saying season ticket holders are supporting the club more are talking **** ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 My mates Father in law is pretty wealthy, he moved into the area and wanted to watch Premiership football so he bought a S/T at The Dell and then SMS. He kept it for one season in the Championship and then stopped going. When we return to the Premiership he is wealthy enough to buy a S/T and start going again, to watch Premiership football. Will he "have more of a right than anyone to question the clubs on topics" than I do? I'm just some mug that cant make enough games to make a S/T financially viable (due to work), but has followed the club for nearly 40 years no matter what league we're in? IMO STH's opinions should be held higher than those on non STH's that is just IMO and i say that as a non STH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Is it right that Cortese is going to raise ticket prices to £80 a game? I just heard a rumour. Can anyone clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I think some of you need to get off your high horse ! So because I couldn't afford to stump up for my season ticket all in one go this year I have less of a say than those with more money than me? Fwiw I have still been going with my boy and it will probably cost me more over the duration of the season than it would of if I had a st so those of you who are saying season ticket holders are supporting the club more are talking **** ! Well actually... Yes. A ST is a symbol of a long term commitment and holders of them should be given priority over people who do not have one. Does not mean that you shouldn't be able to have a say though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 We have had more insight into the club from the dinner than we have ever had from a glorified press conference where the questions are vetted and we are palmed off with the usual sound bites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 We have had more insight into the club from the dinner than we have ever had from a glorified press conference where the questions are vetted and we are palmed off with the usual sound bites No they aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 IMO STH's opinions should be held higher than those on non STH's that is just IMO and i say that as a non STH I would never say no to one of these invites, but if I never get one I still believe it to be the best output of information from the club. I don't care whether I get to question the man directly, plenty of others have saved me the bother and got far more than I have experienced from any other form in the past? Just what are fans after, the best source of information or a recognition of their support? I would not care if this was done for non season ticket holders although I can see the logic in doing it this way for the club, why does it worry who gets to go to these dinners? Even if this goes on for the next 10 years, you will still have 12000? season ticket holders not getting an invite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 No they aren't. So. At a fans for ever single questioned gets answered does it????? Every single question that people want to ask gets answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Some people on this thread really need to take off their ultra defensive heads and realise i am not bad mouthing them as fans. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 Well actually... Yes. A ST is a symbol of a long term commitment and holders of them should be given priority over people who do not have one. Does not mean that you shouldn't be able to have a say though. There you go again putting words in peoples mouths. I am not saying BAN people without a STH from asking questions, also, on another note, how many of the 92 league clubs actually hold any sort of question answer time with their fans ?? How many fans who support football teams in the UK actually get a say exactly ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 I hear letters are a good way of communicating if you have something important to ask a company. Alternatively you could ask a ST holder to ask your question for you. As mentioned above the ST holders invited are usually on here and I'm sure they would ask for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 So. At a fans for ever single questioned gets answered does it????? Every single question that people want to ask gets answered? I think you don't understand what vetted means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 20 January, 2011 There you go again putting words in peoples mouths. I am not saying BAN people without a STH from asking questions, also, on another note, how many of the 92 league clubs actually hold any sort of question answer time with their fans ?? How many fans who support football teams in the UK actually get a say exactly ?? What on Earth are you talking about? I WAS NOT EVEN QUOTING YOU? I was not referring to you in any way. You are paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 20 January, 2011 Share Posted 20 January, 2011 This is exactly why people don't want to listen to Hypochondriac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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