Saint_clark Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I can't agree with the assertion that without Lallana we cannot score. Look at the goalscoring and assists stats; Lallana 9 goals, 8 assists Lambert 9 goals, 6 assists Guly 8 goals, 3 assists Barnard 8 goals, 2 assists Chamberlain 7 goals, 3 assists Dickson and Hammond 4 assists each. So yes, Lallana is our most productive player, but the rest are doing very well. And look at the stats from the last two games - 8 attempts on goal V Notts County at least (for some reason they don't seem to count the one we had cleared off the line) 15 attempts on goal V Tranmere today. Now if we were creating 3 or 4 chances a game without Lallana I could understand where people were coming from, but that's not the case. So are people really trying to say that with Lallana out of the side the finishing ability of our attacking players goes to pot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Assists are a bit of a nonsense to use, as it is just the final pass. Lallana is heavily involved in the build up for a lot of Saints goals and not necessarily putting in the the final pass. Not all chances are of equal difficulty, some are more clear cut than others. We should still be beating teams like Tranmere with or without Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I'm sure Guly has had more than three assists. I remember him getting two in one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I'm sure Guly has had more than three assists. I remember him getting two in one game. I went by the stats on football-league.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I'm sure Guly has had more than three assists. I remember him getting two in one game. Which game? The commentators said he did against Tranmere at St Mary's, but they are wrong as he only had one assist in that game. Danny Butterfield set up the 1st goal in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 January, 2011 Author Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Which game? Exeter. Or Hudders...it was one of the games we scored 4 in. EDIT: just checked, it was Huddersfield. He set up Chamberlain and Chaplow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Lallana is our best player at creating space, whether for himself to get a decent ball into the box, or for someone else to make a killer pass. Without Lallana in the side we seem struggle to create as many clear cut chances and have more speculative efforts or chances that are easy to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 yes siree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I can't agree with the assertion that without Lallana we cannot score. Look at the goalscoring and assists stats; Lallana 9 goals, 8 assists Lambert 9 goals, 6 assists Guly 8 goals, 3 assists Barnard 8 goals, 2 assists Chamberlain 7 goals, 3 assists Dickson and Hammond 4 assists each. So yes, Lallana is our most productive player, but the rest are doing very well. And look at the stats from the last two games - 8 attempts on goal V Notts County at least (for some reason they don't seem to count the one we had cleared off the line) 15 attempts on goal V Tranmere today. Now if we were creating 3 or 4 chances a game without Lallana I could understand where people were coming from, but that's not the case. So are people really trying to say that with Lallana out of the side the finishing ability of our attacking players goes to pot? On the flip side.... As the statistics show, when they have had to do without Lallana this season things have not gone well. Injury has prevented Lallana starting ten games for Saints this season – of those nine they have only managed to win one, a 1-0 victory at Sheffield Wednesday. They have failed to score in eight of those ten matches, only bagging two goals without him in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 League Games WITH Lallana starting: PL 17 W 11 D 2 L 4 (2H,2A) GF 41 GA 14 League games WITHOUT Lallana PL 6 D 2 L 4 GF NIL!!! GA 7 plus two games coming on as sub 1-0 win and 1-1 draw and that was the score when he came on both. You could cite "other reasons" the facts are that in 8 games where he didnt start we have only scored twice and won one and drwn one. NEW SIGNINGS NEEDED FFS!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 My feeling is that it could be psycological as much as technical. Technically, our team is still more than capable of beating teams without him, but perhaps tactically and psycologically we have come to rely on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 6 games without Lallana this season and no goals...tells it's own story TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 My feeling is that it could be psycological as much as technical. Technically, our team is still more than capable of beating teams without him, but perhaps tactically and psycologically we have come to rely on him? That crossed my mind earlier whilst listening to the game. "Adams not playing....dont win when he doesnt play" thoughts....... But NA has the qualifications to deal with that as he hasnt had to until these last two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkScarf Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Had a problem in midfield today creating for the Strikers and Lallana would have made a difference. Having Punch on the bench would have meant we had him as an option. In fact we brought on another Striker Barney and although I agree with that - it was midfield that needed the boost. (Just like Brentford) - a costly error by Davis got Tranmere on their way. First goal in a tight game can be critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 On the flip side.... As the statistics show, when they have had to do without Lallana this season things have not gone well. Injury has prevented Lallana starting ten games for Saints this season – of those nine they have only managed to win one, a 1-0 victory at Sheffield Wednesday. They have failed to score in eight of those ten matches, only bagging two goals without him in the side. These figures are much more indicative than those in the OP. How do we know in many of those cases that Lallana didnt assist the "assist" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 I can't agree with the assertion that without Lallana we cannot score. Look at the goalscoring and assists stats; Lallana 9 goals, 8 assists Lambert 9 goals, 6 assists Guly 8 goals, 3 assists Barnard 8 goals, 2 assists Chamberlain 7 goals, 3 assists Dickson and Hammond 4 assists each. So yes, Lallana is our most productive player, but the rest are doing very well. And look at the stats from the last two games - 8 attempts on goal V Notts County at least (for some reason they don't seem to count the one we had cleared off the line) 15 attempts on goal V Tranmere today. Now if we were creating 3 or 4 chances a game without Lallana I could understand where people were coming from, but that's not the case. So are people really trying to say that with Lallana out of the side the finishing ability of our attacking players goes to pot? Dunno .... maybe they are looking at the same stats. you are..? We've only lost 3 times when Lallana was playing. We failed to score in 8 games when he wasn't. Is that what you mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 League Games WITH Lallana starting: PL 17 W 11 D 2 L 4 (2H,2A) GF 41 GA 14 League games WITHOUT Lallana PL 6 D 2 L 4 GF NIL!!! GA 7 plus two games coming on as sub 1-0 win and 1-1 draw and that was the score when he came on both. You could cite "other reasons" the facts are that in 8 games where he didnt start we have only scored twice and won one and drwn one. NEW SIGNINGS NEEDED FFS!!!!!!! The stats don't lie - for whatever reason Lallana makes a big difference to the outcome of games. Not just because of his own performance, but by raising the games of the players around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 The stats don't lie - for whatever reason Lallana makes a big difference to the outcome of games. Not just because of his own performance, but by raising the games of the players around him. Mind you having to replace him with a left back really helps doesn't it. I just cannot believe that in all the "development squad" malarkey we haven't got something that resembles an attacking midfielder.One is led to believe that apart from the 15 or 16 players that appear regularly for us all the rest is just pure rubbish.Some of these lads are 19 going on 20 and they still haven't made a first team appearance in the last 2 years whereas the young lads in our side Ox,Morgan and Adam are in the first team all the time and 2 of them have a shedload of games behind them. It's all very well being development orientated but if there's no end product and you have to use one of your left backs as a winger then something isn't quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 January, 2011 Share Posted 22 January, 2011 Mind you having to replace him with a left back really helps doesn't it. I just cannot believe that in all the "development squad" malarkey we haven't got something that resembles an attacking midfielder.One is led to believe that apart from the 15 or 16 players that appear regularly for us all the rest is just pure rubbish.Some of these lads are 19 going on 20 and they still haven't made a first team appearance in the last 2 years whereas the young lads in our side Ox,Morgan and Adam are in the first team all the time and 2 of them have a shedload of games behind them. It's all very well being development orientated but if there's no end product and you have to use one of your left backs as a winger then something isn't quite right. Agreed - I guess there has not been enough time for the Academy to mend itself fully and re-mature back to an organisation that produces Prem level talent. It also re-enforces the comments I and others have been making about the need to raise the overall skill benchmark in our midfield squad. It is just not good enough with Lallana, Hammond and Puncheon out and Chaplow clearly not fully fit after injury. I am still not sure that Schneiderlin has what it takes to get us out of this league, but he's as good as we're likely to get at CM. It's the wings that need really sorting out. I don't understand why we've not got the likes of Jennings in our team?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 January, 2011 Share Posted 23 January, 2011 I noticed something over the last 2 games.Now of late Lambert has been working out wide left with Lallana playing off him on the same side, since Lallana has been out he's gone wide right but Ox doesn't have the same efficiency on that side. Seems to make an enormous difference to our play.Take the first chance yesterday,Morgan knocks it forward first time, Rickie gets to it down by the bye line on the right and goes for goal (could have pulled it back) now if it had been Adam behind him I'm sure he'd have pulled it back and we had time and space for a virtually open goal shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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