shirleysfc Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 A couple of seasons a go it was chamberlain making his debut, and the likes of Lallana, Theo and Bale all also making their debuts in recent season. So who is going to be this seasons break through youngster? I don't really know much about the young players we have but I'm sure some of you must! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Ward-prowse, given we only have 3 good CMs right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 5 July, 2011 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Ward-prowse, given we only have 3 good CMs right now. Is he a Morgan or Hammond style player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 It's going to get more and more difficult but I reckon the lad we signed from Plymouth. He is supposed to be a bit special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wadge Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Ward-Prowse or Jake Sinclair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Luke Shaw is another to watch out for, probably not this season but as he's come on leaps and bounds recently, you never know when they'll get into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 You don't get linked with Arsenal if you're a steaming bag of turd. Wenger must like what he sees in Shaw. A new striker would all but kill Doble's chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireframebox Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Ryan Doble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacey Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Would like to see Ryan Doble given a chance.. Very good potential in him and allready been in the wales senior squad on 2 occasions. Could turn out to be a quality player, having said that look what happened to mathew patterson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 from the OS last april. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2342370,00.html? I wonder if any of the Under 21 squad or the academy travel to Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I'd really like to see Doble get a couple of matches as well, just to know if he's as good as I thought he was... but I suspect we're getting to the breakpoint with him now unless we loan him to a League One side for 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyd Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Now we are in the Championship I would like to see the promising players do a season on loan in League 1 before we risk them at this level. Doble has it all to prove before he makes it in our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I think it's a fair point that it's much more of a risk to plug young players into the side at a level where their errors are going to get exploited more, but on the flipside, we also have a much better idea of the league we'll probably be sending them to than we would have had the last time we were a Championship side - and a higher level than League Two to send them to. If nothing else it guarantees no-one's going to go in as naively as Lowe did with his kid-based approach (that lets not forget didn't just fail in the Championship, but also the first couple of months in League One after he'd left). Not that it should have taken what happened to Saints to have realised that was a bad idea ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 the future looks bright enough to me with 11 of the 15 local lads taken on http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2385691,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 ward prowse, arsenal already have a £1 million bid for him with sell on costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 think its bit unfair that Arsenal currently own 3 of our players (Ox-C, Morgan and now this guy!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I think it's a fair point that it's much more of a risk to plug young players into the side at a level where their errors are going to get exploited more, but on the flipside, we also have a much better idea of the league we'll probably be sending them to than we would have had the last time we were a Championship side - and a higher level than League Two to send them to. If nothing else it guarantees no-one's going to go in as naively as Lowe did with his kid-based approach (that lets not forget didn't just fail in the Championship, but also the first couple of months in League One after he'd left). Not that it should have taken what happened to Saints to have realised that was a bad idea ! Don't over rate the NPC just because we've been away for a couple of years. Some of the Academy kids did quite well at this level before and will do so again. it was just a pity that Jan Poortvliet had few options other than to chuck them all in at the deep end together. Don't forget that pre-season match against PL West Ham when we went 3-0 up early on with a dazzling display of pass and move from our kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 think its bit unfair that Arsenal currently own 3 of our players (Ox-C, Morgan and now this guy!) Fear not sir as The Gooners are about to implode and Wenger will soon be gone; the last thing on their minds will be youngsters. That era is over so's been whispered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Don't over rate the NPC just because we've been away for a couple of years. Some of the Academy kids did quite well at this level before and will do so again. it was just a pity that Jan Poortvliet had few options other than to chuck them all in at the deep end together. Don't forget that pre-season match against PL West Ham when we went 3-0 up early on with a dazzling display of pass and move from our kids. I'm not overrating it, we'd had to blood players in the Prem before that and did ok. But what makes me wary is that there's a notable difference in the standard of player you'l be expecting from kids "only" surrounded by successful League One players and who were recruited or developed by a bankrupt club in admin or in League One, as compared to kids who have been surrounded by successful top half Prem players and when they break into the team are in a lower league than they may have been expecting (eg Dyer, Mills, Walcott etc). As for the West Ham game, I can't forget it because I didn't see it, I was in Leeds representing Saints fans at Worldnet at the time. Of course Oxlade-Chamberlain proves that true talent will make it through no matter what the surroundings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Of course Oxlade-Chamberlain proves that true talent will make it through no matter what the surroundings. How does he prove that? He has been at a highly rated Premier League academy since the age of 7. Pretty good surroundings to learn your trade for 10 years. Edited 5 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Not so much an academy product but it is a big season for Aaron Martin and I can see him pinching Jaidi's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 I think it's a fair point that it's much more of a risk to plug young players into the side at a level where their errors are going to get exploited more, but on the flipside, we also have a much better idea of the league we'll probably be sending them to than we would have had the last time we were a Championship side - and a higher level than League Two to send them to. If nothing else it guarantees no-one's going to go in as naively as Lowe did with his kid-based approach (that lets not forget didn't just fail in the Championship, but also the first couple of months in League One after he'd left). Not that it should have taken what happened to Saints to have realised that was a bad idea ! Talk about re-writing history...... The kid-based approach? You make it sound like we put out a team of 11 teenagers every week under Lowes tenure. Which is not correct. And whats wrong with picking some homegrown kids in your first team anyway? Do you mean setting up the Academy thats produced some of the best young talent in GB football the last decade was a bad idea? Or do you mean the approach by which we tried to produce and play home grown starlets rather than pay ridiculous fees to other clubs who had done exactly that, money, incidentally that we did not have, like Portsmouth. Do you mean that rubbish kid-based approach that saw us play 17 year old Gareth Bale in our 2006 squad, that had 22 year old Kenwyne Jones in the same team, or how about 20 year old Andrew Surman, 19 year old Nathan Dyer, 18 year old Adam Lallana, 19 year old David Macgoldrick...i could add best, blackstock and others all half decent players.. ....whose hands were held by experienced professional players like Mica Svensson, Powell, Claus, Belmadi, Kelvin Davies, Idiakex...all in their 30's......even Jermaine Wright was 30 (blushes)..... The 2003-2004 squad did not have one single teenager in it and that was the end of an era.........yes kids don't win stuff but that was clearly a bad model for Saints to have....our experiment of integrating youth with experience resulted in disaster fair enough but whats the alternative for a team like Saints?????Nobody says Wenger is an idiot for trying to bring young players through but protecting them along the way. Don't bring through youngsters is the alternative for Saints, leave the likes of Oxo Gobern even on the bench another two or three years....never play Aaron Martin.....so we didnt get the right "gel" from the teams that went down but look at what some of those young players who we brought through went on to acheive and ive not even bothered to mention Theo.Nah. Kid based approach is exactly what we need. We just got the balance wrong. And FWIW: I ALWAYS want Saints to pick home grown young players and give them a chance whenever possible. When we turn into Manchester City and can just pick up the players catalogue to buy whoever we want around the world I still want us to play our homegrown players. Winning with a squad with no homegrown youth is no fun and the antithesis of what supporting Saints is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 How does he prove that? He has been at a highly rated Premier League academy since the age of 7. Pretty good surroundings to learn your trade for 10 years. Surrounding which included Premier League players in the environment to learn from at the start, and League One players at the end. The coaching and the day to day stuff is obviously a big factor, but you're only going to get judged on ability against the senior players at the same club. In that sense it helps you shine if they're not as good, even if it means it's less likely that you'll actually learn top-level skills directly from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Talk about re-writing history...... The kid-based approach? You make it sound like we put out a team of 11 teenagers every week under Lowes tenure. Which is not correct. It's not far from the truth. If you stick some paragraph ends in the rest of the paragraph you might get a response to that, too. Oh, ok, I've waded through it. You appear to have ignored our Championship relegation season entirely, which coincidentally was the season I was referring to. Almost all of the experienced players you mentioned had gone by then. And McGoldrick was sh1te then and still is. Edited 5 July, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 PS. And Morgan was only 12 when we signed him three years ago.:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Surrounding which included Premier League players in the environment to learn from at the start, and League One players at the end. The coaching and the day to day stuff is obviously a big factor, but you're only going to get judged on ability against the senior players at the same club. In that sense it helps you shine if they're not as good, even if it means it's less likely that you'll actually learn top-level skills directly from them. Do you think the 7 to 16 year olds at Saints, Arsenal and Barcelona learn much from the first team stars? Their paths would rarely cross. It is down to quality of youth coaching and also Saints being in the Premier League Academy system for the last 13 years and playing other top English academies since it started nationally in 1998 (10 years of which Chamberlain was at the club for). Edited 5 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 The relegation from the Championship season was 2008-2009 and certainly that squad was short on QUALITY older players that's true. We relied on Davies, Perry, Thomas, Euell and Wotton too much and paid the price. Thing is I don't think we could afford older experienced but better QUALITY players, so playing too many youngsters at the same time saw its predictable conclusion when we went down to Div.1. The point being the balance of blooding younsters with high quality older professionals was wrong - NOT the approach of incorporating them. It was a forced-hand policy brought on by financial limitations rather than some megalomaniacal dogma by the Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 James Ward-Prowse has been heavily watched by Chelsea, I'm 110% on that. He can't be that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchen_block4 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Gobern leaving creates a nice gap for Ward-Prowse. Sounds like he's quality. I guess we'll discover the real quality when it heads off to Switzerland with the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 (edited) Do you think the 7 to 16 year olds at Saints, Arsenal and Barcelona learn much from the first team stars? Their paths would rarely cross. It is down to quality of youth coaching and also Saints being in the Premier League Academy system for the last 13 years and playing other top English academies since it started nationally in 1998 (10 years of which Chamberlain was at the club for). Not directly, but like I said, they'll be compared to the pros they're up against when it comes to getting into the side. That's also why I said "the day to day is obviously a big factor". Edited 5 July, 2011 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 Gobern leaving creates a nice gap for Ward-Prowse. Sounds like he's quality. I guess we'll discover the real quality when it heads off to Switzerland with the first team. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 5 July, 2011 Share Posted 5 July, 2011 The relegation from the Championship season was 2008-2009 and certainly that squad was short on QUALITY older players that's true. We relied on Davies, Perry, Thomas, Euell and Wotton too much and paid the price. Thing is I don't think we could afford older experienced but better QUALITY players, so playing too many youngsters at the same time saw its predictable conclusion when we went down to Div.1. The point being the balance of blooding younsters with high quality older professionals was wrong - NOT the approach of incorporating them. It was a forced-hand policy brought on by financial limitations rather than some megalomaniacal dogma by the Chairman. I agree with all of that, most of it is what I was saying in the first place - except that the Chairman chose to spin it as if it was indeed his decision, and as if promoting the kids was the de facto solution to everything - so it's hardly surprising he (still) gets flack for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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