Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I do love you MLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I wasn't asking them, I was asking you. Which West Ham players would you want in the Saints starting XI? Why do you keep avoiding the question? I remember he said he would take Collins just before we played them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I remember he said he would take Collins just before we played them. So 1 West Ham player and 10 Saints players. That doesn't tie in well with the rest of the thread. Would he still want Collins now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 So 1 West Ham player and 10 Saints players. That doesn't tie in well with the rest of the thread. Would he still want Collins now? Diame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 What does it matter how many West Ham players people on here would choose to have over our players? This is the forum that had some thinking the Saints side of the lower leagues was better than England, so I'm personally not sure of many poster's objectivity when it comes to rating Saints players. West Ham and Saints have each got a number of players that are of roughly similar qualities. Building a 22 man squad from both us and them would probably consist of roughly an even split. At the start of the season I had them down to stay up comfortably and be the highest placed promoted club; I don't see too much to change my opinion of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Edit: forgetit, kraken says it don't matter and i always listen to krakens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Jarvis isn't bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Shut up tokyos, krakens already ended this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 **** off bear, me and MLG are continuing it. I'd have Mark Noble and James Thomkins in my dream team too please godo. Your move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Jarvis isn't bad either. Over Lallana or Puncheon? I'd have Mark Noble and James Thomkins Instead of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Jarvis better than Lallana? Diame better than Cork? Collins better than Fonte? No No No (IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 F*ck it, let's open it again Bear. I'd definitely have Jaaskelainen, Collins and Jarvis in, and depending on the opposition could make a case for any of Diame, Nolan, Noble, J Cole, and Taylor. Other squad players such as Tomkins, O'Brien, Demel and Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Surprised about that Kraken. Especially OBrien. He is utter dog. An Jaaskeleinen has been poor all season, even my whu mates don't rate him whatsoever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Surprised about that Kraken. Especially OBrien. He is utter dog As a squad player he's better than Dan Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 So if you're saying that then obviously you'd rather have them over our reserves....the question was about 1st 11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I'd prob have tomkins over jack cork cos while they are otherwise identical in every respect, tomkins has advantage of being taller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 So if you're saying that then obviously you'd rather have them over our reserves....the question was about 1st 11... Its not that simple though, is it? We don't have a "first XI". Gaston is too erratic away from home to justify a starting slot. Lambert was "dropped" for the trip to Chelsea. Players like Taylor would IMO be a great option to have when playing away and trying to keep it tight in midfield. Its why I said that any first team choice would be dependent on who we were playing and where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I'd definitely have Jaaskelainen, Collins and Jarvis in Boruc is doing very well at the moment now he is being given a run of games, why so definite about a declining Jaaskelainen? Collins? Really? He isn't anything special. And why Jarvis over Lallana or Puncheon? and depending on the opposition could make a case for any of Diame, Nolan, Noble, J Cole, and Taylor. Other squad players such as Tomkins, O'Brien, Demel and Carroll. We are talking first XI here. Would you really want Carroll over Lambert? Cole over Lallana or Puncheon? Taylor over Shaw or Lallana? Demel over Clyne? Diame, Nolan, Noble over Scheniederlin or Cork? Tomkins over Yoshida, Fonte (and seemingly Forren)? Can't say I'd agree with most of that. Nor do I think Adkins or Big Sam would given the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Our players suit the way we play, WHU's suit the way they play. If their team tried to play like us, then they would be bottom IMO. If we tried to play like them, then we would struggle. Can you see Collins and Reid knocking the ball about and into midfield and back out....no not a chance. Thats why it's hard to say whether you'd rather have our players than theirs. They have a bigger squad and more strength in depth, but i'd say our first 11 just about edges it and play football in a way that WHU can only dream of. I know who I'd rather pay 600 quid a year to watch!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Boruc is doing very well at the moment now he is being given a run of games, why so definite about a declining Jaaskelainen? Yes. This season I'd rather have Jaaseklainen than Boruc. Collins? Really? He isn't anything special. Yes, I'd rather have Collins over either of our centre backs. Ideally with Yoshida though. And why Jarvis over Lallana or Puncheon? Why? Because its my opinion. I think there's some games where he'd be a better option than Puncheon. We are talking first XI here. Would you really want Carroll over Lambert? Cole over Lallana or Puncheon? Taylor over Shaw or Lallana? Demel over Clyne? Diame, Nolan, Noble over Scheniederlin or Cork? Tomkins over Yoshida, Fonte (and seemingly Forren)? Can't say I'd agree with most of that. Nor do I think Adkins or Big Sam would given the choice. I think you need to read that part again. I listed some of those as squad players, and that your simplistic "first XI" scenario isn't all that realistic, being as we don't actually have one. Our lineup changes depending who we play and where; the potential first team players I listed i could envisage using for certain games instead of some of our players (Davis yesterday for instance). And its probably best you don't speculate on what Adkins and Allardyce think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Have you seen Collins play? Utter garbage. Just long ball after long ball, struggles in the tackle and isn't great in the air. I'd rather have Fonte and Yoshida that Collins personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Have you seen Collins play? Utter garbage. Just long ball after long ball, struggles in the tackle and isn't great in the air. I'd rather have Fonte and Yoshida that Collins personally. Good for you; but clearly I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Could be 2 points behind them come Monday night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Make that 1 point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 17 January, 2013 to be honest..I really hope the hammer (get it) QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Yes. This season I'd rather have Jaaseklainen than Boruc. Yes, I'd rather have Collins over either of our centre backs. Ideally with Yoshida though. Why? Because its my opinion. I think there's some games where he'd be a better option than Puncheon. I think you need to read that part again. I listed some of those as squad players, and that your simplistic "first XI" scenario isn't all that realistic, being as we don't actually have one. Our lineup changes depending who we play and where; the potential first team players I listed i could envisage using for certain games instead of some of our players (Davis yesterday for instance). And its probably best you don't speculate on what Adkins and Allardyce think. Unfirtunately for an intelligent chap his views are sooo polarised towards Saints and FM that you will always find yourself argueing anything that casts any form of shadow towards saint marys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Unfirtunately for an intelligent chap his views are sooo polarised towards Saints and FM that you will always find yourself argueing anything that casts any form of shadow towards saint marys I'm sure there's some stats that will prove why I'm mistaken. Because football really is quite that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Unfirtunately for an intelligent chap his views are sooo polarised towards Saints and FM that you will always find yourself argueing anything that casts any form of shadow towards saint marys If we were discussing some other Premier League teams then yes, I'd pick some of their players ahead of Saints players. We are discussing West Ham though, and I much prefer our squad to theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 last season they were (apparently) really really rubbish play rubbish football with an utterly terrible manager carroll is utter garbage and collins is a joke. however, they are sitting nicely near the top end of the league with yet another win...4 points from 2 fixtures many saints fans would have written off completely.... they have hardly bought in worldys as players what are they doing differently...what are they doing that is massively more successful than us..? have we gotten THAT bad..? or have they gotten that much better than us.. crazy that in a few months, how things have changed.. Dunno if I've posted on this thread before but there were two differences - 1) Retaining players with Prem ability enabled them to get off to a good start, 2) they didn't have to play all the top sides in their first couple of months - though in hindsight that's worked in our favour as it meant we could get experience whilst not losing too many vital games (Wigan home aside). Now West Ham have played everyone once like we have, and have injuries (especially Maiga), there's not much in it, and we might even finish above them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 If we were discussing some other Premier League teams then yes, I'd pick some of their players ahead of Saints players. We are discussing West Ham though, and I much prefer our squad to theirs. My assessment has not come from just a single post Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I cant believe we overlooked Nolan either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 The choice between managers is really simple. Adkins over Fat Sam every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 What does football manager have to say about it? CA only please. Tops 11 players from either team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I cant believe we overlooked Nolan either He's a dirty bastard. Hate him with a passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 The choice between managers is really simple. Adkins over Fat Sam every day. Why is it that simple? If you mean your opinion then fair enough, but not as a factual one or the other. Won the league with Limerick, has the highest win % of any Blackpool manager, won promotion with Notts County (won the title by 19 points), got Bolton promoted, multiple top 10 finishes with Bolton in the PL including 6th and UEFA Cup qualification plus a cup success. Even his spells at Newcastle and Blackburn weren't as bad as was portrayed. Saints fans would be more inclined to side with Adkins as manager. I wouldn't swap either for the other, to be honest. If we had BFS as manager I wouldn't be at all disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I like his style of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Why is it that simple? If you mean your opinion then fair enough, but not as a factual one or the other. Won the league with Limerick, has the highest win % of any Blackpool manager, won promotion with Notts County (won the title by 19 points), got Bolton promoted, multiple top 10 finishes with Bolton in the PL including 6th and UEFA Cup qualification plus a cup success. Even his spells at Newcastle and Blackburn weren't as bad as was portrayed. Saints fans would be more inclined to side with Adkins as manager. I wouldn't swap either for the other, to be honest. If we had BFS as manager I wouldn't be at all disappointed. I wouldn't watch us if we had him as manager, if money is tight, why would I spend money to watch ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I wouldn't watch us if we had him as manager, if money is tight, why would I spend money to watch ****. Ah yes, the other one that West Ham play ugly football and we play the Southampton way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Can't believe we overlooked Matty Taylor - class guy on and off the pitch! Symbolises what Wast Ham are about really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stardustonmyfeet Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 If we had BFS as manager I wouldn't be at all disappointed. He is a crook though, isn't he? Are we allowed to say that on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Some of the Saints bais sh*te on this thread is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 He is a crook though, isn't he? Are we allowed to say that on here? Yeah, of course. There are no liability laws on this forum. It is hosted in the cayman islands. Where is le god with the football manager stats? Surely that is a good scouting method and can show which players are better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Yeah, of course. There are no liability laws on this forum. It is hosted in the cayman islands. Where is le god with the football manager stats? Surely that is a good scouting method and can show which players are better than others. FM is gospel. Some of the researchers have even got jobs as scouts as clubs don't you know. So accurate is it that MLG has been able to work out that Lambert is a striker and Clyne is a right back. Although he f*cked up with Jack Cork as he's played right back twice this season and he's only listened as a CM on FM. No scouting job for MLG!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 He can play at RB on football manager Turks (thought id pull you up before godo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I don't know if he is better than winston reid or Linda McCartney though? FM stats please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 He can play at RB on football manager Turks (thought id pull you up before godo). Only lists as a CM according to this. http://footballmanagerstory.com/scout/2012/10/fm-13-player-profile-jack-cork/ MLG wrong again...massive Tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Wrong again Turks. Check out the pitch bit at the bottom, where there are green dots is where he can play. For example, MLG has him down as a left winger and we have all seen him play well out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 Wrong again Turks. Check out the pitch bit at the bottom, where there are green dots is where he can play. For example, MLG has him down as a left winger and we have all seen him play well out there. But he's only got a 10 for Crossing and 11 for dribbling. Some winger. Tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 difference between us and West Ham right now..the 4 points that Gazza simply threw away by sheer incompetence, not having a bad game but just unexcusable professional errors. Think on it. I haven't checked it on KUMB, but I'm quite sure they aren't too impressed with Jaaskelainen... could be wrong though, just a hunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 17 January, 2013 Share Posted 17 January, 2013 I like his style of football. Ditto. As I said, simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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