View From The Top Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Went to a few Borussia Mönchengladbach games when visiting HMF friends based out in Germany & intend to travel across next season to watch them again. Would love to do Dortmund as well, especially if they were playing Shalke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Now we have Tarquin and Jeremy off to the game sitting down, there is no banter or wit now is there? Give me a coordinated dance off or a organised sing song anyday over our dour "Fawley on a Sunday" routine. How many Tarquin's or Jeremys are there in the Kop or Gwadlys Street ends? They're still pretty quiet for a lot of regular home games, same as Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Mercenary? Why is Goetze moving to Bayern? Atmosphere? Lots of choreographed hand clapping and flag waving. Having said that Bayern and Dortmund have been excellent in these two games. You should see the marching bands before the games it a tad.........!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 How many Tarquin's or Jeremys are there in the Kop or Gwadlys Street ends? They're still pretty quiet for a lot of regular home games, same as Germany. Anfield is as middle class as it gets with all the day trippers and foreigners not knowing where the Kop or Anfield Road End is, Everton is a different kettle of fish and a pretty good atmosphere it has to be said, still not a patch on what it was though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Anfield is as middle class as it gets with all the day trippers and foreigners not knowing where the Kop or Anfield Road End is, Everton is a different kettle of fish and a pretty good atmosphere it has to be said, still not a patch on what it was though. Goodison was silent when we went there this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Goodison was silent when we went there this season. It was crap but that does not mean its always crap, simply crap less times than most nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 It was crap but that does not mean its always crap, simply crap less times than most nowadays. Same as the German grounds then really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Good for them, the Bundesliga is the way we should go. Bigger stadiums, cheaper prices and more atmosphere. Glad to see a more fan centric approach paying dividends. Not the way to go at all, it's very unequal. You have 3 decent teams,a couple of middling teams and all the rest are patsies for Bayern and Borussia to score a lot of goals against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Not the way to go at all, it's very unequal. You have 3 decent teams,a couple of middling teams and all the rest are patsies for Bayern and Borussia to score a lot of goals against. A tad similar to our Premiership, in fact the same as our Premiership only they have better atmospheres, grounds and ticket prices to watch their teams lose. The Bundesliga still for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Same as the German grounds then really. German grounds are crap? Is that what you are saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 German grounds are crap? Is that what you are saying? Who has mentioned grounds? Just that if you go to Anfield for a big European night, you'll get a great atmosphere, if you ther for a dull league game against a "small" team, it'll be rubbish. Not that much different in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Who has mentioned grounds? Just that if you go to Anfield for a big European night, you'll get a great atmosphere, if you ther for a dull league game against a "small" team, it'll be rubbish. Not that much different in Germany. Anfield atmosphere was and has not been like the two German games for a long long time, in fact since terracing. It subjective but in my opinion the atmosphere is crap compared to what it was and compared to Germany and France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 (edited) Anfield atmosphere was and has not been like the two German games for a long long time, in fact since terracing. It subjective but in my opinion the atmosphere is crap compared to what it was and compared to Germany and France. France ? have you ever been to a game say between Troyes and Nancy ? I've heard more noise at Women's Insitute tea parties. France is a graveyard of football apart of course Qatar FC and Public Finance Utd. Edited 25 April, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Modern Bundesliga crowds are nothing like English crowds from the 1960s - modern German crowds are dressed head to toe in expensive merchandise bought from their club shop and follow an orchestrated, unspontaneous set of songs, nothing like the terrace wit and banter that used to set our support apart from the rest. What is your problem man, I did'nt say that modern bundesliga crowds are like english crowds from the 60's, I said that the atmosphere was as enticing to me as the football in the 60's. Whether or not Bundesliga crowds wear expensive merchandise or their songs are orchestrated and their terraces have no wit or banter, they generate an electric atmosphere as I experienced at the Arsenal match despite the fact that there was only 3000 odd of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 France ? have you ever been to a game say between Troyes and Nancy ? I've heard more noise at Women's Insitute tea parties. France is a graveyard of football apart of course Qatar FC and Public Finance Utd. Exactly. I think Barry has watched a couple of big Champions League games and assumed every match must be like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 France ? have you ever been to a game say between Troyes and Nancy ? I've heard more noise at Women's Insitute tea parties. France is a graveyard of football apart of course Qatar FC and Public Finance Utd. Marseille and Lyon have superb atmospheres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Exactly. I think Barry has watched a couple of big Champions League games and assumed every match must be like that. No I have not but when I have watched them there is more noise and atmosphere than we can generate, our atmospheres are ****e, accept and move on, can you remember terracing? Then we could compete, now its gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 France ? have you ever been to a game say between Troyes and Nancy ? I've heard more noise at Women's Insitute tea parties. France is a graveyard of football apart of course Qatar FC and Public Finance Utd. Whats the Premeirship? How would you define this? Free market enterprise or a complete false economy aimed at the middle classes with a dire grey monotone atmosphere self stated as the best in the World when its obvious on so many fronts its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 No I have not but when I have watched them there is more noise and atmosphere than we can generate, our atmospheres are ****e, accept and move on, can you remember terracing? Then we could compete, now its gash. Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be is it? Big games the atmosphere is good in this country, go to any big derby game, cup match or end of season decider. It's dull for a lot of other games, same as most places and still better than everyone jumping up and down together while someone bangs a drum over and over again like on the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Lets face it, all the top leagues are overhyped. we've got the self titled 'greatest league in the world', then La Liga, which in reality only two teams can win, then you've got a handful of decent sides beneath that and the rest of the sides are pretty average, sound familiar? Same goes for Germany and Italy and France. With the top players from the lesser clubs being picked off by the biggers ones with the most money. All of the top teams from the top leagues are obsessed by becoming global brands and selling as much of their sh*te as is possible to as many people as possible. It's even spread here with people walking around in Barcelona tops, a middle aged bloke i used to work with who was a lifelong Watford fan now claims he's a Barcelona fan and clutters up my facebook feed every champions league game with his boring drivel about a club he supports when hehas never seen them play live, never been there and doesn't even live in the same country FFS. The fact of the matter is proper football culture is dead, at least as far as the top leagues in Europe go. These days it's all about having the club branded gear, atmospheres created by marketeers with piped music, drums and designated singing areas rather than the old days of proper terrace wit and banter with fans there for the football not 'matchday experience'. Buy this that and the other from the club shop, signing players from far afield countries to increase shirt sales there. A lot of people have become football consumers rather than football fans. It certainly isn't the same game i fell in love with in the early 80s that's for sure. All that mattered then was what went on on the pitch and catching glimpses of Steve Moran, Peter Shilton and Mark Dennis which would excit me for weeks before and after, not the 'matchday experience' Agreed, although I think a lot of the football culture you are looking for is still alive and well in non league and grassroots football. Sadly people are more likely to start supporting Barcalona than Sholing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be is it? Big games the atmosphere is good in this country, go to any big derby game, cup match or end of season decider. It's dull for a lot of other games, same as most places and still better than everyone jumping up and down together while someone bangs a drum over and over again like on the continent. Lets have a go and lets comment as this is **** compared in my opinion, we dotn have a derby so our atmosphere is ******** full stop, the Dell used to have an atmosphere that truly was one of the best, thats fact not rose tinted glasses, a lot had to do with it being close to the pitch and the terracing. Crap now, end off and the closest we will get in copying the Bundesliga so I am all for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Lets have a go and lets comment as this is **** compared in my opinion, we dotn have a derby so our atmosphere is ******** full stop, the Dell used to have an atmosphere that truly was one of the best, thats fact not rose tinted glasses, a lot had to do with it being close to the pitch and the terracing. Crap now, end off and the closest we will get in copying the Bundesliga so I am all for that. The Dell's atmosphere actually got better when it went all seater, as the roof on the Archers Road end made a huge difference, so you're wrong on that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 The Dell's atmosphere actually got better when it went all seater, as the roof on the Archers Road end made a huge difference, so you're wrong on that as well. Did it ********, that all I can say to that, you obviously are commenting on something you dont know, the lower East was amazing when the Archers was full. Dont bull**** mate please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Did it ********, that all I can say to that, you obviously are commenting on something you dont know, the lower East was amazing when the Archers was full. Dont bull**** mate please. No need to get so angry just because you've been proven to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Err no you think the cow shed improved the Dell, proven wrong in what? How old are you by the way so I can see if you went in the 80's 90's to comment on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 OK Barry what can we do to make a better atmosphere at St.Marys? Here's my ideas: I support a full end of the ground for singers and we move the away fans into a corner. Let's get the Marcus flag off the club and use it at games. Let's use the SWF to generate new songs - I'm crap at this but I've seen some great innovation on here on occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 25 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 April, 2013 Need to have ends designed that make them feel like they are unique to the fans, colours, barriers etc etc have to have the away fans next to the home fans in my humble so dont move them away from the more vocal fans, you need spice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 April, 2013 Share Posted 25 April, 2013 The Dell's atmosphere actually got better when it went all seater, as the roof on the Archers Road end made a huge difference, so you're wrong on that as well. You're right about that. People are all nostalgic about the Dell atmosphere and granted, for big games an for cup games, especially at night it was good but no better than anywhere else in the countey, in the main it was relatively quiet. I started out in the 80s on the Milton Road end and it was only a small group that stood under the family centre that made any noise and with the open terrace it didnt sound that loud in other parts of the ground. The noisiest part of the ground was the Lower East terrace in those days. When the seated Archers was given to away fans they were far louder than us most weeks. When we got the archers back the end looked and sounded decent, it was certainly louder then the Milton terrace and the noise generated on terraces. With everyone who wanted to sing in one place. That's the problem with SMS now, youve got effectively 3 singing areas, northam, kingsland and itchen north with the noise diluted. If everyone was on one place and created a kop then it would be so Much better. That said though SMS is far from the worst ground for atmopshere in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Sorry for being late to the Bundesliga party, but I thought this was worth sharing: http://imgur.com/c0cJYFt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Sorry for being late to the Bundesliga party, but I thought this was worth sharing: http://imgur.com/c0cJYFt 2million is a lot for us though, we're not Bayern Munich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 2million is a lot for us though, we're not Bayern Munich. Ah Hoeness, bloke with an undeclared( until it was discovered) Swiss bank account. 2 million is certainly nothing to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Been to Germany a couple of times, amazing country. Went to Cologne for a Games Convention 3 years ago, stayed in Düsseldorf and got the train into Cologne for the Convention. Prefered Cologne to Düsseldorf, but both were great cities, especially Cologne by the Rhine. Also stayed in a little Guest-House just outside Freiburg whilst on the way back from Monza in 2011 and had a great time in the Black Forest. Really want to go to a Bundesliga game, Dortmund is only 4 hours from Calais by car which isn't too bad atall, would love to be able to get to a Bundesliga game next season and see if the famous Dortmund atmosphere lives upto its hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Like it or not the discussion is out there now, how much do we pay? Far too much, in the Bundesliga you get free travel on the urban rail links to the station, sorry cant do that now as we have privatized everything and probably wouldnt do it if we could, in short it ****es all over ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 Sorry for being late to the Bundesliga party, but I thought this was worth sharing: http://imgur.com/c0cJYFt all well and good for Bayern, who are in complete control in germany where the finances for the clubs are even more ski-whiff than here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 May, 2013 all well and good for Bayern, who are in complete control in germany where the finances for the clubs are even more ski-whiff than here How many clubs have gone bankrupt over there in the last 20 odd years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 How many clubs have gone bankrupt over there in the last 20 odd years? how many have over here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 2 May, 2013 Share Posted 2 May, 2013 The Bundesliga at the moment is showing others how its done, better Stadiums Atmosphere Prices Attendances 51% of fams own their club Fans on the board Youth players in their team leading to a better National side Safe standing In short a lot better than our shower of **** Premiership that is a cash cow for Murdoch and Sky, our mercenary bastards could learn a thing or two from our cousins over the water. We've had loads of youth players in saints team and the national league are still ****. Makes f'all difference who we produce, whilst they play in red and white stripes you can count their England caps on two hands at best. And frankly, I would take NC as manager over anyone else. We have all seen what fan ownership looks like...aka pompey ^_- They all had dirt cheap quality stadiums build because they were subsidised for the world cup (and I doubt that was won legally) The only thing I would take from german football is us having a 60k stadium with the premier leagues tv money discounting the seat price and travel to and from the ground paid for by the club... or at least discounted. I cound't give a rats arse about safe standing, if people want it then that is their look out, it will never happen in england because of the 96 and frankly my old man is getting on and he can't stand for a full match then walk to and from the ground. Personally, I think we are one of the best run clubs in the country, maybe the world right now. In NC we trust, looking forward to stadium announcement when we stay up, with lampard as an added sweetner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 Lets face it, all the top leagues are overhyped. we've got the self titled 'greatest league in the world', then La Liga, which in reality only two teams can win, then you've got a handful of decent sides beneath that and the rest of the sides are pretty average, sound familiar? Same goes for Germany and Italy and France. With the top players from the lesser clubs being picked off by the biggers ones with the most money. All of the top teams from the top leagues are obsessed by becoming global brands and selling as much of their sh*te as is possible to as many people as possible. It's even spread here with people walking around in Barcelona tops, a middle aged bloke i used to work with who was a lifelong Watford fan now claims he's a Barcelona fan and clutters up my facebook feed every champions league game with his boring drivel about a club he supports when hehas never seen them play live, never been there and doesn't even live in the same country FFS. The fact of the matter is proper football culture is dead, at least as far as the top leagues in Europe go. These days it's all about having the club branded gear, atmospheres created by marketeers with piped music, drums and designated singing areas rather than the old days of proper terrace wit and banter with fans there for the football not 'matchday experience'. Buy this that and the other from the club shop, signing players from far afield countries to increase shirt sales there. A lot of people have become football consumers rather than football fans. It certainly isn't the same game i fell in love with in the early 80s that's for sure. All that mattered then was what went on on the pitch and catching glimpses of Steve Moran, Peter Shilton and Mark Dennis which would excit me for weeks before and after, not the 'matchday experience' Borne out by the FA statement "we are now used to consuming our football in those [5:15pm] time slots". At least the Germans seem to have more defiance to the authorities and commercialisation http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8986321.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 3 May, 2013 Share Posted 3 May, 2013 You're right about that. People are all nostalgic about the Dell atmosphere and granted, for big games an for cup games, especially at night it was good but no better than anywhere else in the countey, in the main it was relatively quiet. I started out in the 80s on the Milton Road end and it was only a small group that stood under the family centre that made any noise and with the open terrace it didnt sound that loud in other parts of the ground. The noisiest part of the ground was the Lower East terrace in those days. When the seated Archers was given to away fans they were far louder than us most weeks. When we got the archers back the end looked and sounded decent, it was certainly louder then the Milton terrace and the noise generated on terraces. With everyone who wanted to sing in one place. That's the problem with SMS now, youve got effectively 3 singing areas, northam, kingsland and itchen north with the noise diluted. If everyone was on one place and created a kop then it would be so Much better. That said though SMS is far from the worst ground for atmopshere in the premier league. I would have thought you would have been too cool to sing? Milton Road singers were a odd bunch. We all want atmosphere but fact is the singers are the badly dressed geek sorts. No shame in that but wouldn't have thought they were your comrades Turkish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 May, 2013 Author Share Posted 3 May, 2013 We've had loads of youth players in saints team and the national league are still ****. Makes f'all difference who we produce, whilst they play in red and white stripes you can count their England caps on two hands at best. And frankly, I would take NC as manager over anyone else. We have all seen what fan ownership looks like...aka pompey ^_- They all had dirt cheap quality stadiums build because they were subsidised for the world cup (and I doubt that was won legally) The only thing I would take from german football is us having a 60k stadium with the premier leagues tv money discounting the seat price and travel to and from the ground paid for by the club... or at least discounted. I cound't give a rats arse about safe standing, if people want it then that is their look out, it will never happen in england because of the 96 and frankly my old man is getting on and he can't stand for a full match then walk to and from the ground. Personally, I think we are one of the best run clubs in the country, maybe the world right now. In NC we trust, looking forward to stadium announcement when we stay up, with lampard as an added sweetner. You need to get your head out the clouds, you also have an awful lot of I's in your post, thats the issue with our football as a whole, I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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