eurosaint Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Having served his ban I thought that he would at least be on the bench today ! I reckon we could have done with some experience in midfield/up front in the latter stages of the game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Was a strange decision from JP, I don't understand why he wasn't included when we had Gillett and Wotton on the bench who do the same job. Wotton and Euell would have offered much more attacking options and the same amount of cover for the defence. Hopefully he was just keeping him for Monday since he played for the reserves the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Was a strange decision from JP, I don't understand why he wasn't included when we had Gillett and Wotton on the bench who do the same job. Wotton and Euell would have offered much more attacking options and the same amount of cover for the defence. Hopefully he was just keeping him for Monday since he played for the reserves the other day.Not JP's decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Strange decision....no ridiculous decision, he should at least been on bench. But then the lack of decision making to change the style/formation/approach by the coach when the current style is clearly not working as proven yesterday is also ridiculous. Sorry to say it again but Mr Portvliet is a one trick pony and once the "trick" has been sussed/nulified he has no idea what to do...sad really:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 was he injured perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 we had Gillett and Wotton on the bench who do the same job. That's being a tad harsh on Wotton as he least he does something. Gillett is a waste of space. He gave away possession soon after he came on and they should have scored, and I'm sure when the highlights get put up somewhere, you will see Gillett jogging back and failing to pick up Tudgay. PS that's not criticising the youngsters, as Gillett is 23, and is nothing more than a lower league player. Just calling it as I see it. PPS I remember being worried pre season when people were saying Gillett was our star performer and I was thinking fccuk me, if he's the best we've got then we're in for a rough ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Maybe Euell has an appearance fee :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Maybe Euell has an appearance fee :smt102 Maybe he has, but it is unlikely to be the reason he was not picked as he hadbecome a regular in the games before his sending-off, and as a result Saints would have saved 3 appearance fees anyway. No, I am almost sure it was another of Jan's silly decisions that reinforce my belief and that of many others that he is out of his depth. Reports that Lowe and JP have had a falling out are in my opinion signs of some realisation by Lowe that JP is not good enough, my fear is that Lowe will not be man enough to replace him with someone with proper experience but will instead go for the cheap optioin of using Wotte or Hockaday. Come on Rupes, do something with balls, which might even up my opinion of you (go on bring back Hoddle FFS, you know you want to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Maybe he has, but it is unlikely to be the reason he was not picked as he hadbecome a regular in the games before his sending-off, and as a result Saints would have saved 3 appearance fees anyway. No, I am almost sure it was another of Jan's silly decisions that reinforce my belief and that of many others that he is out of his depth. Reports that Lowe and JP have had a falling out are in my opinion signs of some realisation by Lowe that JP is not good enough, my fear is that Lowe will not be man enough to replace him with someone with proper experience but will instead go for the cheap optioin of using Wotte or Hockaday. Come on Rupes, do something with balls, which might even up my opinion of you (go on bring back Hoddle FFS, you know you want to) It was going so well up until then Hoddle is a failure as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalls Posted 7 December, 2008 Share Posted 7 December, 2008 Agree with all above comments was staggered when I saw he wasn't even in the 16. He's been a breath of fresh air this season he's totally a 90 minute player always in the oppsitions face where some of our youngsters do get tiredduring the last 20 mins. Yesterday would have been ideal to have brought him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 erm...maybe we have a game on monday and he's being saved for that? Nope, not even in the preliminary sqaud of 22!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 8 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 8 December, 2008 Nope, not even in the preliminary sqaud of 22!![/QUOTE] He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth as he also is not mentioned in the injury section of the OS ! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=6973 Surely it cannot be appearance money as he played a few games before the red card against Wolves ? Given that we are short of good strikers and that McG is doubtful for tonight I am really surprised that he is not even mentioned in the 22, maybe it's a typing omission ?? http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11041 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 Yet another pathetic thread. The club has two important games in 2 days so it's highly likely he's been kept ready for tonight's game. When I think of the excuses and stupid selections that Burley would make whilst keeping in mind the next match it beggars belief. Only Strachan plays one game at a time and puts out his best team and then decides after on the team for the next game. Maybe had he taken into action our Cup Final game he might have picked a better team that the one that Arsenal slaughtered one week before the important game. Jan picks his sides with the aim to win, sometimes he gets it right, sometimes, alas, he doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 Yet another pathetic thread. The club has two important games in 2 days so it's highly likely he's been kept ready for tonight's game. When I think of the excuses and stupid selections that Burley would make whilst keeping in mind the next match it beggars belief. Only Strachan plays one game at a time and puts out his best team and then decides after on the team for the next game. Maybe had he taken into action our Cup Final game he might have picked a better team that the one that Arsenal slaughtered one week before the important game. Jan picks his sides with the aim to win, sometimes he gets it right, sometimes, alas, he doesn't Not that likely, apparently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 Martin Tyler on SKY said that earlier Jan had said that he thinks some of the older players including Euell can't play with the youngsters because they are not on the same wavelength (or something along those lines). So maybe Jan doesn't fancy him then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 December, 2008 Share Posted 8 December, 2008 It was going so well up until then Hoddle is a failure as a manager. He saved us once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Yet another pathetic thread. The club has two important games in 2 days so it's highly likely he's been kept ready for tonight's game. When I think of the excuses and stupid selections that Burley would make whilst keeping in mind the next match it beggars belief. Only Strachan plays one game at a time and puts out his best team and then decides after on the team for the next game. Maybe had he taken into action our Cup Final game he might have picked a better team that the one that Arsenal slaughtered one week before the important game. Jan picks his sides with the aim to win, sometimes he gets it right, sometimes, alas, he doesn't Perhaps it's just me Art but I reckon that if Euell had come on instead of Mills, he might just have had an influence on the game! Mills and Gasmi were highly unlikely to transform things IMO ! Ps. Before his red card he was doing pretty well, no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 He saved us once. Saved us from what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Perhaps it's just me Art but I reckon that if Euell had come on instead of Mills, he might just have had an influence on the game! Mills and Gasmi were highly unlikely to transform things IMO ! Ps. Before his red card he was doing pretty well, no ? I wasn't getting at your original post but the pathetic replies that followed. Yet even I am puzzled this morning where he was and why he wasn't on the bench. The fact Jan's used the same team now for several games may have led him to believe he's getting somewhere without the likes of Euell. Some folk are impatient because they want us winning everytime. This season is one of experimentation and blooding the young guys, and as long as we remain out of the bottom three I'm not concerned. 3 good results would put us within the play off places in the same manner that Palace have done. It was a lot to ask of all the players from both teams last night. I feel as far as we are concerned the young guys will have learned an awful lot. Had it not been on TV I don't think they'd have feel so down after the first 2 goals and could have kept their heads and got back into the game. Instead they looked defeated and incapable of a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 The thing is ART we can see that we are playing too many kids and they need experienced help. I realise for some on here Euell will never be able to do anything half decent but I have watched him in the reserve games with the kids and there appears to be mutual respect. On Saturday it was crying out for him to come on and help out in the last 15 minutes as his strength and experience would of helped no end instead we went with David against Goliath but with an away win this time. In the few games he has played this year he looked Ok - his sending off IMO was harsh especially when the ref should of blown up for 2 tackles previously. I think this is why I am so frustrated and angry this year as we could be doing far better than we are especially league position wise why should our expectations be so low when with the correct team selection and tactics we could be 5 places higher at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 It was going so well up until then Hoddle is a failure as a manager. I know, I just wanted to say something controversial I don't really think its the answer. Although actually, Hoddle has been a failure recently, as I have said many many times in the past, he is a failure when he is not working with Gorman. They only work effectively as a partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 The thing is ART we can see that we are playing too many kids and they need experienced help. I realise for some on here Euell will never be able to do anything half decent but I have watched him in the reserve games with the kids and there appears to be mutual respect. On Saturday it was crying out for him to come on and help out in the last 15 minutes as his strength and experience would of helped no end instead we went with David against Goliath but with an away win this time. In the few games he has played this year he looked Ok - his sending off IMO was harsh especially when the ref should of blown up for 2 tackles previously. I think this is why I am so frustrated and angry this year as we could be doing far better than we are especially league position wise why should our expectations be so low when with the correct team selection and tactics we could be 5 places higher at least? Thing is, we were actually playing only 4 of our own youngsters last night, and thats counting Surman, who is 21 or so I believe. There are other youngsters in the team but they are loans, so we are gaining nothing from it. The youngest player on the pitch last night was playing for Palace. Palace had three of their academy youngsters on the pitch, all playing effectively. Difference is Warnock understands how to use the young guys effectively, blending them into a team with some experience. The crap that is being talked about by the club about blooding our youngsters as the future of the club is just that, crap. On close inspection we are only really blooding 3 true SFC youngsters, Lallana, James and McG. The other youngsters that are in the team are loans and so are being used because they are cheap, not becauise they are young. Incidentally the remark of the inpexperienced JP last night that older players such as Euell are not on the same wavelength speasks volumes for how out of his depth JP really is. If he really believes that why did he use Euell in the 3 games up to and including his sending-off? He demonstrated in those 1 and 2-bit games that he formed an effective partnership up front. Blaming Euell for not being on the same wavelength of the kids is a total joke. Problem is no-one is on the same wavelength of the ego that is McG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Thing is, we were actually playing only 4 of our own youngsters last night, and thats counting Surman, who is 21 or so I believe. There are other youngsters in the team but they are loans, so we are gaining nothing from it. .................. On close inspection we are only really blooding 3 true SFC youngsters, Lallana, James and McG. The other youngsters that are in the team are loans and so are being used because they are cheap, not because they are young. I hadn't thought of it like that, but it blows the idea about using our esteemed academy right out of the water. It really does look as if we are going for the cheap option, plain and simple. ( Btw : how many of these loans potentially go back in January ? ). At least we will still have Wotton, and have T Pulis to look forward to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Thing is, we were actually playing only 4 of our own youngsters last night, and thats counting Surman, who is 21 or so I believe. There are other youngsters in the team but they are loans, so we are gaining nothing from it. The youngest player on the pitch last night was playing for Palace. Palace had three of their academy youngsters on the pitch, all playing effectively. Difference is Warnock understands how to use the young guys effectively, blending them into a team with some experience. The crap that is being talked about by the club about blooding our youngsters as the future of the club is just that, crap. On close inspection we are only really blooding 3 true SFC youngsters, Lallana, James and McG. The other youngsters that are in the team are loans and so are being used because they are cheap, not becauise they are young. Incidentally the remark of the inpexperienced JP last night that older players such as Euell are not on the same wavelength speasks volumes for how out of his depth JP really is. If he really believes that why did he use Euell in the 3 games up to and including his sending-off? He demonstrated in those 1 and 2-bit games that he formed an effective partnership up front. Blaming Euell for not being on the same wavelength of the kids is a total joke. Problem is no-one is on the same wavelength of the ego that is McG. Some good points there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Martin Tyler on SKY said that earlier Jan had said that he thinks some of the older players including Euell can't play with the youngsters because they are not on the same wavelength (or something along those lines). So maybe Jan doesn't fancy him then! Does he refuse to pass the ball backwards and sidewards and not move in behind the opposition backline then? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Thing is, we were actually playing only 4 of our own youngsters last night, and thats counting Surman, who is 21 or so I believe. There are other youngsters in the team but they are loans, so we are gaining nothing from it. Apart from lowering the match wage bill and being able to play KD and Rudi that is! Pekhart ( cant't trap wind) Gasmi (tiny and lightweight) Pulis (even his dad couldn't justify playing him) Smith (lightweight and Millwall reserve standard) Forecast (Do we need 3 keepers - ok Bart is now pants) Robertson (One good half since he has been here) Now there are 6 good reasons why Stern John ( a proven goalscorer) should of been kept here all have had loan, agent and transfer fees involved as well as wages however minimal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Saved us from what exactly? We were heading for relegation until Hoddle arrived. Check out the results. And why were fans so angry when he left for Spurs? Because he was doing alright here. Much of the anti-Hoddle anger is because he jilted SFC. Not because he was crap as a manager. If he were here now we wouldn't be in this mess. Incidentally Lowe can be blamed for not renewing Pearson's contract imo, but not for failing to get Hoddle back, which was bowing down to pressure from fellow directors and angry supporters. I admit I didn't want Hoddle to return, not because he was not a good manager, but because I thought his presence would be divisive. How ironic. However all that doesn't help us in our current plight. I wonder what Wotte's views on Poortvliet's tactics are? Is he the solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I wonder what Wotte's views on Poortvliet's tactics are? Is he the solution? Going by this article I am not convinced he is the answer. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n15943806 Sources say Wotte was unpopular at Feyenoord and some at the club were happy to see him go. Wotte is not regarded as a coach of any great ability but will fit into the structure planned by Lowe and Woodward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Martin Tyler on SKY said that earlier Jan had said that he thinks some of the older players including Euell can't play with the youngsters because they are not on the same wavelength (or something along those lines). So maybe Jan doesn't fancy him then! um I could not believe that when I heard him say it last night.I looked at the bench and saw we had nothing there. i am right behind the policy the club is trying but the manager is making too many foolish calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 After last night's performance, expect Euell to be back in the side for the Burnley game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 After last night's performance, expect Euell to be back in the side for the Burnley game! Leaving him out was a big faux pas, as was omitting Perry earlier in the season). My worries about Jan have not gone away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Leaving him out was a big faux pas, as was omitting Perry earlier in the season). My worries about Jan have not gone away.Ive been neutral about Jan to give him a chance to prove himself but his mistake in not putting on Wotton to stiffen midfield saturday and then not having Euell in the squad added to him bringing on the lightweight Mills when we needed some movement and muscle up front has made me become on the dissatisfied side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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