derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I just can't make my mind up. I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, whilst James at right back, is expected to play most of the game both right midfield and right back, as the only player on our right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Total prat = he lets mcgoldrick do what he wants and lets him get away with it. he needs a hard kick up the a** and put in his place as his attitude stinks and has a total lack of respect for the team! I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, Lallana wouldnt be as much a miss as i thought he would be as he does have just the skills but nothing to back it up. I can never tell where he is playin on a matchday as he is everywhere bar his supposed position! On a high - Merry Xmas to you all !! :yawinkle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I just can't make my mind up. I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, whilst James at right back, is expected to play most of the game both right midfield and right back, as the only player on our right side. Both a total prat and a yes man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I just can't make my mind up. I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, whilst James at right back, is expected to play most of the game both right midfield and right back, as the only player on our right side. i suspect he is a mixture of the both tbh. i wanted to give him a bit of time because he seems a good bloke and i have enjoyed watching the youngsters pass the ball around but i havnt enjoyed the results and i dont agree with him sticking with mcgoldrick,the apparant lack of tactical awareness and the lack of fight in the players. i have said in the past that i was willing to give him a go and judge him at christmas and im afraid that things dont seem to be getting any better so perhaps it is time for a change.i also know that not all of our problems are down to the manager but i think we need somebody to inject a bit of belief in the players in the same way as redknapp has done with spurs. i dont think it will happen as i think we are commited for the long term but i could be wrong.........hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He's not a prat. He has certain ideals and is, shall I call it, naive? I don't think for one moment that he fully appreciated what he was dealing with in undertaking this contract at Saints. Bless him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He's a prat for being a yes man, but he does stick with his ideals on how to play football it's just that they don't work very well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I just can't make my mind up. I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, whilst James at right back, is expected to play most of the game both right midfield and right back, as the only player on our right side. Are you planning to post the same comments on every thread on the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Are you planning to post the same comments on every thread on the forum? Until The problem costing us matches is rectified. Clearly you have little interest in the flaws that are going to get us relegated. Only 20 matches left. Suggest you put me on ignore then you won't be bothered by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Until The problem costing us matches is rectified. Clearly you have little interest in the flaws that are going to get us relegated. Only 20 matches left. Suggest you put me on ignore then you won't be bothered by it. Your pseudo-expert analysis make you sound like a pub team manager who has just played Fifa-Pro Manager 07 and demonstrate that you actually have little grasp for some elementary aspects of the game. Your view on Lallana is quite comical to say the least. I don't need to put you on ignore as it brightens my day to read such twaddle although after reading the very same comment for the tenth time does start to become a little tiresome, bless. It's a good topic for debate but does it need to be on every thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Your pseudo-expert analysis make you sound like a pub team manager who has just played Fifa-Pro Manager 07 and demonstrate that you actually have little grasp for some elementary aspects of the game. Your view on Lallana is quite comical to say the least. I don't need to put you on ignore as it brightens my day to read such twaddle although after reading the very same comment for the tenth time does start to become a little tiresome, bless. It's a good topic for debate but does it need to be on every thread? Whatever, I am a qualified FA Coach and have been for 40 years. What badges have you got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Personally think he is a decent, hard working and honest fella. Apart from recent interviews where it does appear the pressure is getting to him, he has always come across very well (despite the obvious language issues). The problem is that he is out of his depth and it is becoming more obvious as each game passes. He would have been mad to turn down this opportunity, as we are a fairly big Club in what is a well known league. As with Wigley, the blame should be focussed towards those who promoted him above his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englesaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Your pseudo-expert analysis make you sound like a pub team manager who has just played Fifa-Pro Manager 07 and demonstrate that you actually have little grasp for some elementary aspects of the game. Your view on Lallana is quite comical to say the least. I don't need to put you on ignore as it brightens my day to read such twaddle although after reading the very same comment for the tenth time does start to become a little tiresome, bless. It's a good topic for debate but does it need to be on every thread? Twaddle? If so, then this twaddle is a view shared by many. I've taken various mates to games this season, many of whom have played or coached at a good standard of football and all have said the same thing about Lallana and the wide right spot. This coupled with playing a young, inexperienced midfielder as full back makes us so easy to work out by almost any standard of opposition. The situation with McGoldrick and his zero work ethic is even sillier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I just can't make my mind up. I am gobsmacked that he allows McGoldrick and Lallana to ponce around, showboating with no end product, whilst James at right back, is expected to play most of the game both right midfield and right back, as the only player on our right side. Neither. He is just a 3rd rate Dutch coach who is so far out of his depth that it is embarrassing. Nice bloke, wrong man for the job, but filling his boots given his one chance of glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Twaddle? If so, then this twaddle is a view shared by many. I've taken various mates to games this season, many of whom have played or coached at a good standard of football and all have said the same thing about Lallana and the wide right spot. This coupled with playing a young, inexperienced midfielder as full back makes us so easy to work out by almost any standard of opposition. The situation with McGoldrick and his zero work ethic is even sillier. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Twaddle? If so, then this twaddle is a view shared by many. I've taken various mates to games this season, many of whom have played or coached at a good standard of football and all have said the same thing about Lallana and the wide right spot. This coupled with playing a young, inexperienced midfielder as full back makes us so easy to work out by almost any standard of opposition. The situation with McGoldrick and his zero work ethic is even sillier. I'm not doubting his ineffectivesness at right midfield, it is clearly not his natural position as is demonstrated by him going narrow in-field. I also am in 100% agreement regarding DMG. My comments were more related to Lallana as a player overall. He is clearly one of even not the most talented players in our squad and will go on to play at a much higher standard. I'll be hearing next that Le Tissier should never have made it as he didn't tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englesaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Personally think he is a decent, hard working and honest fella. Apart from recent interviews where it does appear the pressure is getting to him, he has always come across very well (despite the obvious language issues). The problem is that he is out of his depth and it is becoming more obvious as each game passes. He would have been mad to turn down this opportunity, as we are a fairly big Club in what is a well known league. As with Wigley, the blame should be focussed towards those who promoted him above his ability. I would agree. I think he's a decent guy and those I know who have met him all say the same. However, the repeated failure to do anything about such basic tactical flaws does, indeed, suggest a man out of his depth and you're right - we should look to those that made the appointment ( . . . again!) I think repeated selection of McG will be his undoing. Fans may or may not deliberate about tactics and points of detail - but we will all spot a non-trier and an apparent bad attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Personally think he is a decent, hard working and honest fella. Apart from recent interviews where it does appear the pressure is getting to him, he has always come across very well (despite the obvious language issues). The problem is that he is out of his depth and it is becoming more obvious as each game passes. He would have been mad to turn down this opportunity, as we are a fairly big Club in what is a well known league. As with Wigley, the blame should be focussed towards those who promoted him above his ability. Pretty close to the truth, but I just wish he would sort out the obvious problems. Saying we need more effort etc just papers over the real problems. Case and Armstrong have been emphasising the problems of lack of width and massed defences. Brian O'Neill the last time I talked to him felt BWP might do a better job wide right, strengthen the right side and get to the byeline. Probably be quite dangerous on the far post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Both +1 Working under Lowe means both are a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I'm not doubting his ineffectivesness at right midfield, it is clearly not his natural position as is demonstrated by him going narrow in-field. I also am in 100% agreement regarding DMG. My comments were more related to Lallana as a player overall. He is clearly one of even not the most talented players in our squad and will go on to play at a much higher standard. I'll be hearing next that Le Tissier should never have made it as he didn't tackle. I'm not saying that he hasn't talent. What I am saying, and I know what he is saying about where he is asked to play, he doesn't like playing wide. What I am saying, is the fact he is prepared to be picked there, then go out and run around chasing the ball like a playground footballer, in areas where he is totally negated, neglecting almost completely his defined role. That self indulgent behaviour wouldn't be entertained at a better club. In any event he knows that he won't get first team regular football at a Premier club, because of that feels he needs at least a full season as a regular before contemplating a move. He is not effective as a second striker, he isn't getting into dangerous positions and fundamentally he and McGoldrick are not scoring. He is being accommodated nominally wide right and refuses to play there. That is what I am banging on about and believe me it is one of the main reasons we are not able to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintIT Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Personally think he is a decent, hard working and honest fella. Apart from recent interviews where it does appear the pressure is getting to him, he has always come across very well (despite the obvious language issues). The problem is that he is out of his depth and it is becoming more obvious as each game passes. He would have been mad to turn down this opportunity, as we are a fairly big Club in what is a well known league. As with Wigley, the blame should be focussed towards those who promoted him above his ability. Spot on. This is the root cause of Saints problems. Either the Board has appointed a series of managers, since Strachan, who are actually inept, or the board have appointed a series of managers who cannot manage, given the actual scope of the job, and the environment, once they are in it. Either way it's not the manager, but the Board. How many manager do Saints have to appoint to prove they aren't allowed to manage as they can or want to? Or is the number of appointments since Strachan enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englesaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I'm not saying that he hasn't talent. What I am saying, and I know what he is saying about where he is asked to play, he doesn't like playing wide. What I am saying, is the fact he is prepared to be picked there, then go out and run around chasing the ball like a playground footballer, in areas where he is totally negated, neglecting almost completely his defined role. That self indulgent behaviour wouldn't be entertained at a better club. In any event he knows that he won't get first team regular football at a Premier club, because of that feels he needs at least a full season as a regular before contemplating a move. He is not effective as a second striker, he isn't getting into dangerous positions and fundamentally he and McGoldrick are not scoring. He is being accommodated nominally wide right and refuses to play there. That is what I am banging on about and believe me it is one of the main reasons we are not able to compete. Agreed. Jan needs to sort this instantly. We are not flexible in the sense that we don't switch formations and situations as any game progresses. If Jan belivees the formation to be sacrosant then those selected have to be up to the job given - unfortunately 4-2-3-1 requires on good and disciplined wide players and a mobile, selfless front man. We currently have neither and McG seems to be picked permanently . . .in either of these two roles. . . .both of which he shows show no real effort in. Yet when this happens so obviously on match day, Jan appears to stand rooted to the spot, hands in pockets . . .seemingly addressing nothing. That is where he really loses it with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Agreed. Jan needs to sort this instantly. We are not flexible in the sense that we don't switch formations and situations as any game progresses. If Jan belivees the formation to be sacrosant then those selected have to be up to the job given - unfortunately 4-2-3-1 requires on good and disciplined wide players and a mobile, selfless front man. We currently have neither and McG seems to be picked permanently . . .in either of these two roles. . . .both of which he shows show no real effort in. Yet when this happens so obviously on match day, Jan appears to stand rooted to the spot, hands in pockets . . .seemingly addressing nothing. That is where he really loses it with me. That's my problem too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Putting Portaloo in charge of Saints is like putting Jade Goody on Mastermind. Both would be/are out of their depth. But surely the blame should rest with the person who employed him? Anyway to answer the question, Prat no,Yes man definately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambsaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think he was foolish to take the job. It was obviously a poisoned chalice. I doubt if any manager could do better with such a bunch of inexperienced post-pubescents. I would only judge him if he were given fa spine of four or five experienced pros who actuslly had some tactical nous. Don't blame the monkey, he's only dancing to the tune of the organ-grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I think he was foolish to take the job. It was obviously a poisoned chalice. I doubt if any manager could do better with such a bunch of inexperienced post-pubescents. I would only judge him if he were given fa spine of four or five experienced pros who actuslly had some tactical nous. Don't blame the monkey, he's only dancing to the tune of the organ-grinder. sounds good...would be good if true.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navysaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He is most definately a yes man. In the reign of Rupert how many non Yes men would still be in a job after Playing 24, Winning just 5 and Losing 12? Without even looking i can imagine floormeat is the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englesaint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 NO. But he will have to see through DMG's act very, very, very soon or he'll lose the supporters he does have. Spot on. Said something similar a few posts above. Fans will (ok then . . might) forgive a lesser player who is playing for the cause. They will not put up with such a bad/lazy attitude. . . . in fact, they are already making themselves heard. Age (or lack of it) is no excuse for basic lack of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I'm not saying that he hasn't talent. What I am saying, and I know what he is saying about where he is asked to play, he doesn't like playing wide. What I am saying, is the fact he is prepared to be picked there, then go out and run around chasing the ball like a playground footballer, in areas where he is totally negated, neglecting almost completely his defined role. That self indulgent behaviour wouldn't be entertained at a better club. In any event he knows that he won't get first team regular football at a Premier club, because of that feels he needs at least a full season as a regular before contemplating a move. He is not effective as a second striker, he isn't getting into dangerous positions and fundamentally he and McGoldrick are not scoring. He is being accommodated nominally wide right and refuses to play there. That is what I am banging on about and believe me it is one of the main reasons we are not able to compete. Genuine question. Would you drop him to the reserves, play him wide right with strict instructions to do the job you are after, play him in a different position, change the formation, get him back in the hole? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I'm not saying that he hasn't talent. What I am saying, and I know what he is saying about where he is asked to play, he doesn't like playing wide. What I am saying, is the fact he is prepared to be picked there, then go out and run around chasing the ball like a playground footballer, in areas where he is totally negated, neglecting almost completely his defined role. That self indulgent behaviour wouldn't be entertained at a better club. In any event he knows that he won't get first team regular football at a Premier club, because of that feels he needs at least a full season as a regular before contemplating a move. He is not effective as a second striker, he isn't getting into dangerous positions and fundamentally he and McGoldrick are not scoring. He is being accommodated nominally wide right and refuses to play there. That is what I am banging on about and believe me it is one of the main reasons we are not able to compete. Derry get off of the lad's case please! He has always played as an attacking right sided midfielder for us so I dont think he dislikes playing wide on the right. Jan is the one who encourages him to float and interchange with other players. In another thread you imply that Dyer would be better on the right. He drifts all over the place as well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 during the palace game when the camera panned round onto him...i felt sorry for him...he looked defeated as soon as their first goal went in.... he is clearly a nice bloke and a good coach...but he is not what we need right now...and sadly, so many said this at the start of the season...in an ideal world...he would be part of our youth set up when we were in the premiership... what sane thinking person would have appointed him in the first place...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Doaesn't matter - he isn't up to the task. He doesn't have a clue tactically and is out of his depth at this level. We need to replace him with someone who understands how to win games. Even Mike Bassett plays 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 I don't think he's particularly either and I think he is doing the job to the best of his abilities. Unforetunately he his out of his depth and his best isn't good enough. Not for this club in this league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Total Clueless Thicko P***k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Decent bloke, but out of his depth. [i am sure he had no idea what he was letting himself in for, with respect to both working for Lowe and working in the english championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Agreed. Jan needs to sort this instantly. We are not flexible in the sense that we don't switch formations and situations as any game progresses. If Jan belivees the formation to be sacrosant then those selected have to be up to the job given - unfortunately 4-2-3-1 requires on good and disciplined wide players and a mobile, selfless front man. We currently have neither and McG seems to be picked permanently . . .in either of these two roles. . . .both of which he shows show no real effort in. Yet when this happens so obviously on match day, Jan appears to stand rooted to the spot, hands in pockets . . .seemingly addressing nothing. That is where he really loses it with me. Couldn't of summed it up better myself. He's begining to look more like Trousers' avitar with every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 He is a decent guy who is in the wrong place at the wrong time and is on a one way ticket back to the Netherlands............its a shame but it would take a miracle worker to get results with Saints useless bunch of non performers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Genuine question. Would you drop him to the reserves, play him wide right with strict instructions to do the job you are after, play him in a different position, change the formation, get him back in the hole? What? If he played within the parameters of the position, I would play him there. That would mean wide on the touchline as a starting position. When the play is on the other side, coming inside with a final attacking position outside the far post. Tracking back and helping the right back in defence, then wide on the touchline to be available to counter attack quickly. Certainly not the way he is playing at the moment. I think playing him in the hole is a poor option at present, as he can't seem to hit the ball cleanly. I don't think he has shown enough to be an out and out striker, then neither has anyone else. If he wasn't prepared to play for the team, I would drop him. I know for a fact he doesn't like playing wide or deep. Playing as he does at the moment is exposing us and neutering our right side attacking options. He has to play within the team plan which is well publicised with two wide men. Portvleit has said he is looking forward to getting his team playing with two wingers when Smith and Holmes are fit. Where will that leave Lallana? He is probably the best ball player we have and playing properly wide, could be a real danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 22 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Derry get off of the lad's case please! He has always played as an attacking right sided midfielder for us so I dont think he dislikes playing wide on the right. Jan is the one who encourages him to float and interchange with other players. In another thread you imply that Dyer would be better on the right. He drifts all over the place as well..... I know he doesn't like playing there. He has said so. Dyer would have to curb that tendency as well. In any event the system we play requires two wingers. Despite what you say he is not playing wide right and when he leaves the wing nobody else goes out there. There is no interchange just a big empty space. James is left most of the game to play the whole right side on his own. I would like him to play well as a wide midfield, if he doesn't get his act together then we are going to be relegated. This team would be much more effective if he played where he is supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Both. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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