What is wrong with America

[31cc]

US now proposing that all visitors have to disclose their last 5 years of social media content along with phone contacts, email addresses etc, regardless of whether they need a visa or not as well as biometrics and a selfie for an ESTA application.

US plans to start checking all tourists' social media | US News | Sky News

I imagine Palantir or other mates of the orange gibbon like Elon will be allowed access to this info as well.

 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, 31cc said:

US now proposing that all visitors have to disclose their last 5 years of social media content along with phone contacts, email addresses etc, regardless of whether they need a visa or not as well as biometrics and a selfie for an ESTA application.

US plans to start checking all tourists' social media | US News | Sky News

I imagine Palantir or other mates of the orange gibbon like Elon will be allowed access to this info as well.

 

But what if you don't do Social Media ? I don't use X, TikTok, Instagram, or any other platform.  Just another reason NOT to visit the "Land of the Free". Is Trump so paranoid and afraid of criticism ?

Edited yesterday at 12:27 by badgerx16

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, 31cc said:

US now proposing that all visitors have to disclose their last 5 years of social media content along with phone contacts, email addresses etc, regardless of whether they need a visa or not as well as biometrics and a selfie for an ESTA application.

US plans to start checking all tourists' social media | US News | Sky News

I imagine Palantir or other mates of the orange gibbon like Elon will be allowed access to this info as well.

 

 

9 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But what if you don't do Social Media ? I don't use X, TikTok, Instagram, or any other platform.  Just another reason NOT to visit the "Land of the Free". Is Trump so paranoid and afraid of criticism ?

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

[tdmickey3]

5 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

Welcome back to posting nutty nic, we have missed your utterings of absolute nonsense, we do still see your emojis though, bless you😘

You are favourite Putin/Trump apologist

[egg]

11 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

We have free speech Nic. Fortunately we also have an increased intolerance for nasty bastards who go over the top and down the otherside. We also have people who are too thick (and usually bigoted) to understand the difference. I cast no aspersions of course. 

[badgerx16]

25 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

Better get back to your village, they are missng their idiot.

Edited yesterday at 13:01 by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

50 minutes ago, egg said:

We have free speech Nic. Fortunately we also have an increased intolerance for nasty bastards who go over the top and down the otherside. We also have people who are too thick (and usually bigoted) to understand the difference. I cast no aspersions of course. 

Disagree. I dont think people have become less tolerant. The tolerance levels for reasonable challenge has softened, hence you get stupid stuff like the Graham Linehan incident. The police and judiciary are much keener to take action in relation to matters that, 15 years ago nobody would have sniffed at.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Welcome back to posting nutty nic, we have missed your utterings of absolute nonsense, we do still see your emojis though, bless you😘

You are favourite Putin/Trump apologist

Observation....you never make a good point ever. Just personal attacks and emojis. Provide a half decent rebuttal if you disagree rather than attacking the character.

Edited yesterday at 13:48 by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Observation....you never make a good point ever. Just personal attacks and emojis. Provide a half decent rebuttal rather than attacking the character.

Go away, you child poverty supporter. i dont want to converse with people like you

Edited yesterday at 13:59 by tdmickey3

[east-stand-nic]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Observation....you never make a good point ever. Just personal attacks and emojis. Provide a half decent rebuttal if you disagree rather than attacking the character.

Because he and most of the others on the left cannot argue my points. It is what the left do. No answer = berate, shout, scream and stamp feet.

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Because he and most of the others on the left cannot argue my points. It is what the left do. No answer = berate, shout, scream and stamp feet.

Hahahahahaha.... you are and your new mate are the ones who stamp their feet when we don't agree with your utter drivel.

You two are a perfect partners, one supports child poverty and the other is a trump/Putin apologist but the biggest connection is that you both are both stupid

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

We?

I thought you lived in Thailand with your lady boy?

[egg]

39 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Disagree. I dont think people have become less tolerant. The tolerance levels for reasonable challenge has softened, hence you get stupid stuff like the Graham Linehan incident. The police and judiciary are much keener to take action in relation to matters that, 15 years ago nobody would have sniffed at.

1. Joey Barton. 

2. 15 years ago people didn't post death threats to brown people on the web, rape threats to women, etc. 

3. Etc. 

[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Because he and most of the others on the left cannot argue my points. It is what the left do. No answer = berate, shout, scream and stamp feet.

You don't make points. You post babble, then claim it was a trap that proves that you have "outed" some other poster.  When people challenge you you put up a laughing emoji and disappear for a while, otherwise ignoring anything that shows you up for the petulant child you are.

No wonder people assume you like Trump.

[egg]

40 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Because he and most of the others on the left cannot argue my points. It is what the left do. No answer = berate, shout, scream and stamp feet.

I answered your point. You replied with a laughing emoji.

No answer= hide, laugh, and stamp feet. 

I'm not on the left though. 

[Sir Ralph]

40 minutes ago, egg said:

1. Joey Barton. 

2. 15 years ago people didn't post death threats to brown people on the web, rape threats to women, etc. 

3. Etc. 

I agree that social media has given a platform for people to stay things in public that they couldnt before but I still think those people would have held the views regardless. If anything I think people are less likely to say / do things that are discriminatory than say 10-15 years ago but maybe the platform is greater.

Edited yesterday at 15:06 by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

5 hours ago, 31cc said:

US now proposing that all visitors have to disclose their last 5 years of social media content along with phone contacts, email addresses etc, regardless of whether they need a visa or not as well as biometrics and a selfie for an ESTA application.

US plans to start checking all tourists' social media | US News | Sky News

I imagine Palantir or other mates of the orange gibbon like Elon will be allowed access to this info as well.

 

Considering I still have assets out there I think I may need to do a bit of a purge...

[egg]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree that social media has given a platform for people to stay things in public that they couldnt before but I still think those people would have held the views regardless. If anything I think people are less likely to say / do things that are discriminatory than say 10-15 years ago but maybe the platform is greater.

That's a terrible point. People holding views is completely different to people making threats and inciting violence viewable by the world at large. 

Edited yesterday at 17:06 by egg

[whelk]

3 hours ago, egg said:

We have free speech Nic. Fortunately we also have an increased intolerance for nasty bastards who go over the top and down the otherside. We also have people who are too thick (and usually bigoted) to understand the difference. I cast no aspersions of course. 

Think it is safe to say Nic is monumentally thick, not sure about being a bigot though.

[whelk]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Because he and most of the others on the left cannot argue my points. It is what the left do. No answer = berate, shout, scream and stamp feet.

That’s your mum that is

[benjii]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Meanwhile under labour we have a record number if arrests for social media posts. The UK now leads the world in NO free speech. But nope, it's only Trump doing it. 

 

https://rsf.org/en/index

20th globally, according to this.

I think there are, like, 24 countries in the world, or something, so we're not quite leading the world in NO free speech.

 

Section on USA is interesting:

 

After a century of gradual expansion of press rights in the United States, the country is experiencing its first significant and prolonged decline in press freedom in modern history, and Donald Trump’s return to the presidency is greatly exacerbating the situation.

[sadoldgit]

5 minutes ago, benjii said:

 

https://rsf.org/en/index

20th globally, according to this.

I think there are, like, 24 countries in the world, or something, so we're not quite leading the world in NO free speech.

 

Section on USA is interesting:

 

After a century of gradual expansion of press rights in the United States, the country is experiencing its first significant and prolonged decline in press freedom in modern history, and Donald Trump’s return to the presidency is greatly exacerbating the situation.

You have free speech in the USA if you support Trump. Ask awkward questions or show any kind of criticism towards the orange man baby and you are quickly shut down. In his second term Trump is turning America into an Oligarchy.  

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, benjii said:

 

I think there are, like, 24 countries in the world, or something,

Wait, what? I'm way more travelled than I thought I was if that's the case.

[Gloucester Saint]

Europe is decaying according to Trump.

What the hell state is his America in then? The videos below make decay look moderate.

 

Edited yesterday at 20:20 by Gloucester Saint

[The Kraken]

Sometimes I’m wondering whether it’s actually true, and I’m. It being trolled from across the Atlantic.

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Where does the money go? 🤷‍♂️

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

17 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree that social media has given a platform for people to stay things in public that they couldnt before but I still think those people would have held the views regardless. If anything I think people are less likely to say / do things that are discriminatory than say 10-15 years ago but maybe the platform is greater.

Disagree. 

People have become more emboldened to say shit in the last few years and that comes directly from the likes of Trump, Farage, Musk and others seemingly being able to say shit and having little or no consequences.

The masses start doing the same and soon realise that there are consequences to being idiots.

Social platforms have given people a route to be rude or a dick etc but it doesn't mean its a free hit to be like that.

Edited 13 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Sometimes I’m wondering whether it’s actually true, and I’m. It being trolled from across the Atlantic.

 

THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT'S TRUMP GOLD CARD IS HERE TODAY! A direct path to Citizenship for all qualified and vetted people. SO EXCITING! Our Great American Companies can finally keep their invaluable Talent. Live Site opens in 30 minutes!

https://trumpcard.gov

For a $15,000 DHS processing fee* and, after background approval, a contribution of $1 million, receive U.S. residency in record time with the Trump Gold Card.

Where does the money go? 🤷‍♂️

There is also going to be a Platinum version, requiring a $5Million payment.

[badgerx16]

They'll have to rewrite the words of "The New Colossus", engraved on the base of the Statue of Liberty;

"Give me your egotists, your filthy rich,
Your entitled narcissists yearning to escape responsibility,"

[east-stand-nic]

19 hours ago, whelk said:

That’s your mum that is

Classy. Brining someone's mum into it. Imagine if I said similar. Once again your double standards are there on full view as are your mates on here who would have crucified me for such a comment yet love it when you say it. It just shows your level. The childish left loons. 

[tdmickey3]

15 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Classy. Brining someone's mum into it. Imagine if I said similar. Once again your double standards are there on full view as are your mates on here who would have crucified me for such a comment yet love it when you say it. It just shows your level. The childish left loons. 

Hi Niccy, you don`t have any standards, that`s for sheep isn't it?

Have you had your Flu Jab?

[Sir Ralph]

7 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Disagree. 

People have become more emboldened to say shit in the last few years and that comes directly from the likes of Trump, Farage, Musk and others seemingly being able to say shit and having little or no consequences.

The masses start doing the same and soon realise that there are consequences to being idiots.

Social platforms have given people a route to be rude or a dick etc but it doesn't mean its a free hit to be like that.

Thats fine you can disagree. I obviously never said it was ok to be a dick or threaten people, etc. My personal experience is that people's views havent changed but they are now more willing to confront some of the BS that the woke brigade has pushed unchallenged for the last 10 years or so. 

There is a lot of shit coming those influenced by the radical left over recent years on social media, accusing quite reasonable people of having said or done terrible things and making threats to people for holding different views to them. It works both ways.

Being a dick comes isnt an exclusive trait to people you dont agree with. It also includes people who have the same views as you.

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

22 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Classy. Brining someone's mum into it. Imagine if I said similar. Once again your double standards are there on full view as are your mates on here who would have crucified me for such a comment yet love it when you say it. It just shows your level. The childish left loons. 

Do you not understand colloquial slang ?

[Sir Ralph]

10 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Hi Niccy, you don`t have any standards, that`s for sheep isn't it?

Have you had your Flu Jab?

Try again. Make a valid point, dont attack character. Its very childish. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Try again. Make a valid point, dont attack character. Its very childish. 

Try again to mind your own business, I`m sure your pen pal can answer for himself

[tdmickey3]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Thats fine you can disagree. My personal experience is that people's views havent changed but they are now more willing to confront some of the BS that the woke brigade has pushed unchallenged for the last 10 years or so. 

There is a lot of shit coming those influenced by the radical left over recent years on social media, accusing quite reasonable people of having said or done terrible things and making threats to people for holding different views to them. It works both ways.

I obviously never said it was ok to be a dick. Being a dick comes isnt an exclusive trait to people you dont agree with. It also includes people who have the same views as you.

Try harder then

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Try again to mind your own business, I`m sure your pen pal can answer for himself

I will when you make a well thought out point, rather than attacking people's character. I disagree with most people on here but at least understand the point they are making. I can't disagree with you because you have never made a point.

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[tdmickey3]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I will when you make a well thought out point, rather than attacking people's character. I disagree with most people on here but at least understand the point they are making. I can't disagree with you because you have never made a point.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN

[whelk]

53 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Classy. Brining someone's mum into it. Imagine if I said similar

I wouldn’t give a fuck you dopey twat

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you not understand colloquial slang ?

He cried and whined when food was mentioned. Think he is a bit too delicate for exchanges in the lounge

[sadoldgit]

32 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Thats fine you can disagree. I obviously never said it was ok to be a dick or threaten people, etc. My personal experience is that people's views havent changed but they are now more willing to confront some of the BS that the woke brigade has pushed unchallenged for the last 10 years or so. 

There is a lot of shit coming those influenced by the radical left over recent years on social media, accusing quite reasonable people of having said or done terrible things and making threats to people for holding different views to them. It works both ways.

Being a dick comes isnt an exclusive trait to people you dont agree with. It also includes people who have the same views as you.

Radical left? What have they done that compares to what Trump is doing in the US and what Farage has done to us with Brexit and what he is threatening to do if he becomes PM? He seem happy to turn a blind eye to what the far right and Republican Dictator are doing whilst pretending that the “radical left” pose anything like a threat. And before you include Putin in your definition of “radical left” the bloke is an nationalistic Oligarch.

Come on, tell us what the “radical left” have done that equals 14 years of austerity, the criminal mismanagement of the pandemic, Brexit and Liz Truss’s budget.

[Sir Ralph]

42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Radical left? What have they done that compares to what Trump is doing in the US and what Farage has done to us with Brexit and what he is threatening to do if he becomes PM? He seem happy to turn a blind eye to what the far right and Republican Dictator are doing whilst pretending that the “radical left” pose anything like a threat. And before you include Putin in your definition of “radical left” the bloke is an nationalistic Oligarch.

Come on, tell us what the “radical left” have done that equals 14 years of austerity, the criminal mismanagement of the pandemic, Brexit and Liz Truss’s budget.

Glad to see you coming to the rescue of the radical left. I thought you were a moderate. Do you support the radical left?

Fortunately they havent been in charge in many countries to be able to mess things up. The closest one is Maduro in Venezeula. North Korea is also a socialist state. Both doing a great job following the authoritarian concept of socialism!

The point was about whether people have become more abusive over time - you have conflated two different matters. The examples I was given of the right being abusive was Joey Barton, threats to immigrants and of the rape of women apparently. 

Large portions of the radical left is are antisemitic, celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, tried to shut up people highlighting the issues with rape gangs (in fact they werent even radical left), trashed certain cities in the UK during the George Floyd riots....want me to continue. This is before we get onto mad theories around unconscious bias and gender affirming care which has been damaging also. Add to that they tend to have terrible haircuts.

Edited 7 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[east-stand-nic]

34 minutes ago, whelk said:

He cried and whined when food was mentioned. Think he is a bit too delicate for exchanges in the lounge

Blimey, wrong yet again. How do you get things so wrong so many times? Or do you do it to hide your stupidity and embarrassment?

[badgerx16]

"Beware the Red under your bed" - just ignore the Fascists as they erode your freedoms and lock up anybody that disagrees with them.

[badgerx16]

18 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Blimey, wrong yet again. How do you get things so wrong so many times? Or do you do it to hide your stupidity and embarrassment?

If anybody is qualified on the subject of stupidity, I suppose you would be the best candidate.

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

If anybody is qualified on the subject of stupidity, I suppose you would be the best candidate.

Indeed he/it/that/thingy has an IQ of zero

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Glad to see you coming to the rescue of the radical left. I thought you were a moderate. Do you support the radical left?

Fortunately they havent been in charge in many countries to be able to mess things up. The closest one is Maduro in Venezeula. North Korea is also a socialist state. Both doing a great job following the authoritarian concept of socialism!

The point was about whether people have become more abusive over time - you have conflated two different matters. The examples I was given of the right being abusive was Joey Barton, threats to immigrants and of the rape of women apparently. 

Large portions of the radical left is are antisemitic, celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, tried to shut up people highlighting the issues with rape gangs (in fact they werent even radical left), trashed certain cities in the UK during the George Floyd riots....want me to continue. This is before we get onto mad theories around unconscious bias and gender affirming care which has been damaging also. Add to that they tend to have terrible haircuts.

Would you care to define “radical left?”

You think that your list makes a dent in what right wing politics have done to this country n the last 14 years?

You and nutty nic do make a bizarre double act.

As for terrible haircuts. I don’t think that any can be worse than Hitler’s or Trump’s haircuts. Oh, and Boris Johnson’s!

Edited 5 hours ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

As for terrible haircuts. I don’t think that any can be worse than Hitler’s or Trump’s haircuts. Oh, and Boris Johnson’s!

Michael Fabricant ?

[Gloucester Saint]

So appropriate that the WC is in Trump’s America next year. Him and FIFA are perfect for each other https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c80x38e04yro

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Glad to see you coming to the rescue of the radical left. I thought you were a moderate. Do you support the radical left?

Fortunately they havent been in charge in many countries to be able to mess things up. The closest one is Maduro in Venezeula. North Korea is also a socialist state. Both doing a great job following the authoritarian concept of socialism!

The point was about whether people have become more abusive over time - you have conflated two different matters. The examples I was given of the right being abusive was Joey Barton, threats to immigrants and of the rape of women apparently. 

Large portions of the radical left is are antisemitic, celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, tried to shut up people highlighting the issues with rape gangs (in fact they werent even radical left), trashed certain cities in the UK during the George Floyd riots....want me to continue. This is before we get onto mad theories around unconscious bias and gender affirming care which has been damaging also. Add to that they tend to have terrible haircuts.

The “Radical Left” have neither been in power nor in opposition in this country in my lifetime. They are not likely to take over the current Labour Party and there is unlikely to be a party made up of “Radical Lefties” that will be challenging for power here any time soon.

Pro Palestinian marches and marches in support of action against climate change and human rights attract all kinds of people. Some of them could be described as “Radical Lefties.”

The far right pose a greater threat to this country. They have already managed to separate us from the EU and are currently busy making sure that their agenda is on the front pages most days. They are already bringing their agendas into local councils. When the “Radical Left” pose such a threat to the government of this country, be sure to let me know.

[The Kraken]

“Far right” and “radical lefties”, honestly, both of you are a pair of fuckwits who have no idea of the true terminologies you happily throw about.