TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Full house - good support. Team in red and white played admirably. Team in blue are World Champs. Team in black were totally p!ss poor. The first goal was offside period-point blank (even though horribly defended) The second goal was not a peno in a month of blue Sundays and if the abortion of a ref had one tenth of one per cent of a doubt he shouldn't have given it. The red card - er, yeah it was a red, however, wtf was that pencil-necked, bald-headed tool doing bring the kid over and lecturing him before finally after a frigging eternity showing him the card....let me enlighten you, the worthless excuse for an official is a complete attention whore and wanted a worldwide audience to witness yet another of his controversies....oh and where was the scarlet square when Evans took out our player when he was the last man...oh I forgot it's Mank U and you can't do that. Listen Reid, you 9-karat c**t...United are the World's best team and don't need your considerable help!! Yes they were 3 goals better than us, but they are the best and will do that to higher teams than Saints...however not like that. We were excellent between the boxes, just weak in both penalty areas. KD was awesome, Chris Perry was commanding and there were good showings from many of the kids. Jan is a fine coach, trying to do his best with limited or no resources and a group of children. It's frustrating losing, but I for one admire what Jan/the boys are trying to achieve and feel passionately that I can really get behind this team. So spin it good Jan, make them feel like heroes after this effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 lets not pretend that the 11 united put out would be world/european and/or english champions was a good team..nothing more than that of course i expected us to lose but come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry Tim your summary of the game was fair but if you had to watch , as you put it" a team who are just weak in both penalty areas" you may not be so positive. It is ok being weak against United but we are like it againstEVERY ccc side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 We were excellent between the boxes, just weak in both penalty areas. Come off it. A positive spin is the last thing we need. We need to recognise we are rubbish and change things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 lets not pretend that the 11 united put out would be world/european and/or english champions was a good team..nothing more than that of course i expected us to lose but come on um, a team that includes Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Neville, Carrick, Nani, Anderson and Mike Riley aren't champions? I was proud of our boysh. Sorry that you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 um, a team that includes Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Neville, Carrick, Nani, Anderson and Mike Riley aren't champions? I was proud of our boysh. Sorry that you're not. no...no ronaldo, tevez, brown, hargreaves, ferdinand scholes, evra that is over half of the team that triumphed last year.. im not saying it was a bad team they put out..but lets not start saying the best 11 in the country ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim, Heard you on Radio Hants, appreciate the positivity but at the moment its reality that is needed. Any use of Spin should be restricted to the OS and Rupey's bunker. Sorry, but we were pretty.... Pretty ineffective in front of goal Pretty ineffective in front of Man U Pretty ****ing awful all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 How do you explain our league position then TijuanaTim? Could it be the refs are bad or maybe our Head Coach hasnt got a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 um, a team that includes Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Neville, Carrick, Nani, Anderson and Mike Riley aren't champions? I was proud of our boysh. Sorry that you're not. were you proud of them against Forest, because we played the same way in that game to. These young lads are having their potential careers ruined by a management team who are showing every week that they have no idea of how the game is played in this country. It works in Holland because EVERY team plays that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 um, a team that includes Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Neville, Carrick, Nani, Anderson and Mike Riley aren't champions? I was proud of our boysh. Sorry that you're not. Riley was Utd's most effective player today, The first goal was offside, Paterson actually made contact with the ball, I know it was one footed studs showing, the penalty given when Mcgoldrick was hit on the back of the head, I know his arm was raised but the ball missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Come off it. A positive spin is the last thing we need. We need to recognise we are rubbish and change things. In my humble opinion and experience if you make someone feel one grain better after speaking to them than before there is a way higher instance of improved performance - especially with young and impressionable. Put people in situations that they can succeed in and make them even better at what they do well, rather than work on weaknesses that they may never master. Make the players feel good and then get the strategy correct at Staplewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 In my humble opinion and experience if you make someone feel one grain better after speaking to them than before there is a way higher instance of improved performance - especially with young and impressionable. Put people in situations that they can succeed in and make them even better at what they do well, rather than work on weaknesses that they may never master. Make the players feel good and then get the strategy correct at Staplewood. Again good in theory Tim, but they are not CCC QUALITY - that is the important distinction to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 In my humble opinion and experience if you make someone feel one grain better after speaking to them than before there is a way higher instance of improved performance - especially with young and impressionable. Put people in situations that they can succeed in and make them even better at what they do well, rather than work on weaknesses that they may never master. Make the players feel good and then get the strategy correct at Staplewood. I agree with you 100% Tim. But we are asking too much of some of our players. Some will simply never be good enough - mentally, especially. The vast majority are not good enough yet. The ones that are, are tired and being overplayed. It would be great to bring Gobern or Smith on for 20 minutes when we're 2-0 up and let then have a real go. That said, I deplore people on here slagging them off. Anyone who thinks they are not trying doesn't understand sportsmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 In my humble opinion and experience if you make someone feel one grain better after speaking to them than before there is a way higher instance of improved performance - especially with young and impressionable. Put people in situations that they can succeed in and make them even better at what they do well, rather than work on weaknesses that they may never master. Make the players feel good and then get the strategy correct at Staplewood. Fair play, and I agree that the lads will need careful management as they must be getting fairly demoralised but I think whatever benefit this brings will ultimately be futile unless we do something more drastic quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 In my humble opinion and experience if you make someone feel one grain better after speaking to them than before there is a way higher instance of improved performance - especially with young and impressionable. Put people in situations that they can succeed in and make them even better at what they do well, rather than work on weaknesses that they may never master. Make the players feel good and then get the strategy correct at Staplewood. Tim that is religious unhelpful Californian bull****. We were ****e today and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Respectfully yours Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim that is religious unhelpful Californian bull****. We were ****e today and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Respectfully yours Duncan Probably the best post on here today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie2008 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Full house - good support. Team in red and white played admirably. Team in blue are World Champs. Team in black were totally p!ss poor. The first goal was offside period-point blank (even though horribly defended) The second goal was not a peno in a month of blue Sundays and if the abortion of a ref had one tenth of one per cent of a doubt he shouldn't have given it. The red card - er, yeah it was a red, however, wtf was that pencil-necked, bald-headed tool doing bring the kid over and lecturing him before finally after a frigging eternity showing him the card....let me enlighten you, the worthless excuse for an official is a complete attention whore and wanted a worldwide audience to witness yet another of his controversies....oh and where was the scarlet square when Evans took out our player when he was the last man...oh I forgot it's Mank U and you can't do that. Listen Reid, you 9-karat c**t...United are the World's best team and don't need your considerable help!! Yes they were 3 goals better than us, but they are the best and will do that to higher teams than Saints...however not like that. We were excellent between the boxes, just weak in both penalty areas. KD was awesome, Chris Perry was commanding and there were good showings from many of the kids. Jan is a fine coach, trying to do his best with limited or no resources and a group of children. It's frustrating losing, but I for one admire what Jan/the boys are trying to achieve and feel passionately that I can really get behind this team. So spin it good Jan, make them feel like heroes after this effort. Agree with you on these points. Cannot be negative - not in my nature. A good opportunity to focus on the Championship. The only way is up, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim that is religious unhelpful Californian bull****. We were ****e today and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Respectfully yours Duncan Absolutely and very well put FF. Positive thinking is all very well but it is not going to solve our problem. Lowe's experiment has utterly failed. He has gambled with the future of our club and lost. We had a perfectly good manager in Pearson. We now have Lowe's appointee in charge and he is totally out of his depth. He is undoubtedly the worst manager the club has ever had. On top of that the club is in financial free-fall and Lowe can sit cross legged and chant mantras all he likes but it isn't going to make the big bad Barclays bogeyman go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 we did not play admirably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Ian Holloway was saying on the radio that he really fears for us. He basically said the same thing as Lawrie Mac that we just don't have a balance between youth and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 we did not play admirably if "admirably" was under 17 he would have got a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 We had a perfectly good manager in Pearson. We now have Lowe's appointee in charge and he is totally out of his depth. He is undoubtedly the worst manager the club has ever had. This is not an over exageration. It's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry, but what is the point in trying to make the players feel like they did well today. Surely that will just create a head in the sand mentality of 'chin up and everything will be fine.' The players and manager were poor today. They need to know this and do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim that is religious unhelpful Californian bull****. We were ****e today and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Respectfully yours Duncan Religious?? How long have I known you and been your friend Dunc? Is it 37 or 38 years now and you find it necessary to use a public forum to insult me. I will refrain from retaliating out of genuine respect. It is not 'religious'...you couldn't find anyone further from that than me. It is not 'Californian' either as you so glibbly put it. It is good common sense psychology. I hope you read about sports (and business) and sports (and business) psychology as much as you write...I do. My successes (admittedly at a lower level) have been achieved by being decent, encouraging, loyal, respectful and motivating to teammates as you well know. That works in my business team successes as well. It was the same before I left Southampton for LA. So for the instance I will have to disagree with you, Happy New Year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I wonder if i have been watching the same team every week as you Tim... I mean there is every reason to remain positive but there are more reasons to remain negative. The fundementals of football are to put the ball in your oponents net while stopping them doing the same to you. That is it, it is not rocket science. Did we create anything? No. Did we looklike we were going to create anything? No. Did we defend well? No. Did we looklike we would keep a clean sheet? No and the main one for me is; Are the players learning from their mistakes? My opinion is No. You could swap Man Utd for any of the teams we have played this year and your see those statements are the same for pretty much all of them. My personal opinion is we have been to nice on the players, too understanding of them. They have put in some of the worst displays i have seen by any side let alone any Saints side. With over half the season gone we find ourselves second to bottom with just 4 points from the previous 24. If they cant learn the mistakes in 26 games how long will it take until they do? Do we have that many games? If it was up to me i would have a person like Pearson in there keeping their feet on the ground. So many of our players play for themselves as individuals rather then a team and that in my opinion is what is costing us. Nobody wants to take the inititive for situations especially on set pieces. Some players need to be told they are letting the team down because that is what they are doing. When it doesnt matter fine praise them for their 14 loses this season but now it matters. If they continue to put in the displays they are consistently putting in then we will be down for sure. There is nothing to be positive about when that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry, but what is the point in trying to make the players feel like they did well today. Surely that will just create a head in the sand mentality of 'chin up and everything will be fine.' The players and manager were poor today. They need to know this and do something about it. I think they also need to know how we feel.I am going to make a point of singing Anti Lowe songs at our next home game. I know it wont achieve much,but it sure does make me feel better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry, but what is the point in trying to make the players feel like they did well today. Surely that will just create a head in the sand mentality of 'chin up and everything will be fine.' The players and manager were poor today. They need to know this and do something about it. Ever heard the saying "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear"? There's nothing we can do about it because RUPERT LOWE has dictated that we have an all out youth strategy. We don't have the resourses to become a conventional set up now. LOWE thought he knew better than everyone else and once again he's been shown to be clueless when it comes to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Sorry, but what is the point in trying to make the players feel like they did well today. Surely that will just create a head in the sand mentality of 'chin up and everything will be fine.' The players and manager were poor today. They need to know this and do something about it. OK. For the next three hours I'm going to shout at you, very loudly that I want you to run the 100 metres in under eleven seconds... Let's see how you get on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 (edited) Tapping players like Gobern etc on the shoulder, saying 'Don't worry, you were sooooo unlucky today' is not going to improve them. REPEATING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING WELL DOES NOT DISGUISE THE LEAGUE POSITION OR THE FACT THAT MOST OF OUR PLAYERS AND MANAGEMENT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM ARE UTTER UTTER SH!TE. I'm appalled to declare that I really wanted us to get beaten 10 nil today, just so that this PR riddled, fake Dutch Revolution and Master could be seen as the crock of sh!te that it truly is. HOW THIS CLUB HAS THE KAHUNAS TO DRAW PARALLELS WITH OUR MAGNIFICENT TEAM AND MANAGER OF 1976 APPALLS ME. Edited 4 January, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Ian Holloway was saying on the radio that he really fears for us. He basically said the same thing as Lawrie Mac that we just don't have a balance between youth and experience. Funniest post today...not you Stanley mate, but that Holloway...if there was a second rate, sub standard, b-movie level competition for losers to be losers he would still lose FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The thing is Tim I fail to see where JP is a good coach, motivator, tactician or have any common sense in this team. I don't want to keep on about Smith but he is a prime example, you coach a team and so did I so what is one of the first things you teach a winger? Knock the ball past the defender as soon as you can and get to the byeline - not once has he managed that. Change wings to confuse the defender - swap about and even though you are left footed you put over a cross with your right foot that way the defenders can't guess easily that you will turn on your good foot each time. Not once have I seen him do that or be encouraged to do that - its not totally his fault but a good coach would encourage that wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I wonder if i have been watching the same team every week as you Tim... I mean there is every reason to remain positive but there are more reasons to remain negative. The fundementals of football are to put the ball in your oponents net while stopping them doing the same to you. That is it, it is not rocket science. Did we create anything? No. Did we looklike we were going to create anything? No. Did we defend well? No. Did we looklike we would keep a clean sheet? No and the main one for me is; Are the players learning from their mistakes? My opinion is No. You could swap Man Utd for any of the teams we have played this year and your see those statements are the same for pretty much all of them. My personal opinion is we have been to nice on the players, too understanding of them. They have put in some of the worst displays i have seen by any side let alone any Saints side. With over half the season gone we find ourselves second to bottom with just 4 points from the previous 24. If they cant learn the mistakes in 26 games how long will it take until they do? Do we have that many games? If it was up to me i would have a person like Pearson in there keeping their feet on the ground. So many of our players play for themselves as individuals rather then a team and that in my opinion is what is costing us. Nobody wants to take the inititive for situations especially on set pieces. Some players need to be told they are letting the team down because that is what they are doing. When it doesnt matter fine praise them for their 14 loses this season but now it matters. If they continue to put in the displays they are consistently putting in then we will be down for sure. There is nothing to be positive about when that happens. You are venting your anger at a symptom and not the cause. Our players are not very good. They are paid poorly because they are not very good. They are managed by someone with no experience. The players are too young and too inexperienced. Shouting at them will achieve bugger all. They are doing what they are able mentally and physically. With confidence they would be quicker and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 were you proud of them against Forest, because we played the same way in that game to. These young lads are having their potential careers ruined by a management team who are showing every week that they have no idea of how the game is played in this country. It works in Holland because EVERY team plays that way Actually, no I wasn't particularly, but I thought today's display was better than Forest by a country mile. From where I was sitting it looked as if they kept their heads up. Christ, if they had given up then it wouldn't have just been 3-nil would it? Nor do I think this was a career-wrecking game. For what it's worth I thought Schneiderlin was well off pace, possibly just not match fit. McLaggon was incredibly game and didn't give up, when he had Evans and Vidic basically manhandling him in every tackle, but I thought he should have been on the wing instead of McG. Anyway, I'm off to play darts again with the nipper. He's put a picture of Mike Riley in the middle of the board and I've already emasculated him once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 You are venting your anger at a symptom and not the cause. Our players are not very good. They are paid poorly because they are not very good. They are managed by someone with no experience. The players are too young and too inexperienced. Shouting at them will achieve bugger all. They are doing what they are able mentally and physically. With confidence they would be quicker and better. Sorry but that wont work. Shouting at people makes them notice and more importantly makes them aware. Look at things like the military. When someone does something wrong will they give them a pat on the back and say well done you only got three people killed instead of 20? Teamwork is the same no matter where it is taught, wether that is in the school, in the baracks or in the office. If someone is not pulling their weight and letting everyone else down constantly they need a roasting not a pat on the back. If they genuinly are trying hard and doing the best they possibly can then you can not expect a player to be something he is not. But we have seen good from the side on occasions, we know they are capable of playing well. The question then becomes why dont they? Is it the manager? The formation? etc.. etc.. comes a time when people wont learn from a certain method and i think our method of understanding no matter what has run its cause. Good managers get poor players playing above themselves. Do we have a poor manager and good players or good manager and poor players? Personally i think we have a poor manager and a few poor players mixed with some very good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Come off it. A positive spin is the last thing we need. We need to recognise we are rubbish and change things. exactimondo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim we hear you being very optimistic on radio hampshire every week but at the moment there isn't really much to be optimistic about we managed 3 shots on goal today, 2 of which were weak long range shots comfortably caught by van der saar we were torn open by manchester united and frequently left them unmarked - letting them win that free near post header from the corner that led to the first goal is unacceptable - we have defended poorly all season and this is mostly down to the coaches its not just against man utd we played poorly, it has been against most of our opposition this season. this is the worst, most gutless saints team with the most inept useless management I have ever seen portvlieet doesn't have a clue - he plays a stupid unproven system which clearly doesn't work in the championship and refueses to change it lowes only interest is keeping the club afloat regardless of results so he can draw his own paycheck did anyone else think it was a disgrace today the way the northam was displaced to make way for the man u fans, getting rid of the loudest saints singing section and making it like a home match for man utd. we gave them some of the best seats in the stadium... we should be shoving them into the corners, not breaking up our most vocal fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The truth hurts - but Tim is right in a way. These kids are being fed to the lions, they aint good enough - but they are all that we have. We need to keep believing in them otherwise they will surely fold at every game in which the going gets tough. Spin no, encouragement, advice and support - yes. Currently it's the only way we are going to get out of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Actually, no I wasn't particularly, but I thought today's display was better than Forest by a country mile. From where I was sitting it looked as if they kept their heads up. Christ, if they had given up then it wouldn't have just been 3-nil would it? Nor do I think this was a career-wrecking game. For what it's worth I thought Schneiderlin was well off pace, possibly just not match fit. McLaggon was incredibly game and didn't give up, when he had Evans and Vidic basically manhandling him in every tackle, but I thought he should have been on the wing instead of McG. Anyway, I'm off to play darts again with the nipper. He's put a picture of Mike Riley in the middle of the board and I've already emasculated him once. Yes there were many that were game, I watched the game with a schitload of United fans, Steph and I were the only Saints there. Pretty well all of their lot agreed that we played some decent stuff against, let's face it, a fantastic team. Almost to a man that thought we played equally as well as the skates did last year...but the matelots didn't have an offside goal allowed against them, they got a peno and didn't concede a dodgy one + a Manc got sent off not one of theirs...just like us they offered little, Man U controlled and dominated...pompers didn't even get a corner (they said). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The truth hurts - but Tim is right in a way. These kids are being fed to the lions, they aint good enough - but they are all that we have. We need to keep believing in them otherwise they will surely fold at every game in which the going gets tough. Spin no, encouragement, advice and support - yes. Currently it's the only way we are going to get out of this mess. Very succinctly put my friend...okay I maybe too positive for some of you and others maybe too negative. As you suggest what is the alternative? This is a far more supportable effort than those 'couldn't-care-less' journeymen of the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Funniest post today...not you Stanley mate, but that Holloway...if there was a second rate, sub standard, b-movie level competition for losers to be losers he would still lose FFS Holloway said the same as Lawrie McMeneny. McMenemy said the same as anyone with half a brain would say. Only Lowe thinks differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Religious?? How long have I known you and been your friend Dunc? Is it 37 or 38 years now and you find it necessary to use a public forum to insult me. I will refrain from retaliating out of genuine respect. It is not 'religious'...you couldn't find anyone further from that than me. It is not 'Californian' either as you so glibbly put it. It is good common sense psychology. I hope you read about sports (and business) and sports (and business) psychology as much as you write...I do. My successes (admittedly at a lower level) have been achieved by being decent, encouraging, loyal, respectful and motivating to teammates as you well know. That works in my business team successes as well. It was the same before I left Southampton for LA. So for the instance I will have to disagree with you, Happy New Year. Tim - I am not insulting you FFS. But posts like yours are actually now doing this club harm. The sooner we all wake up and realise the crap we are in the better. Your pyhscobabble clap trap probably works well where you live but unfortunately it doesn't wash here. And if you don't like the heat then stay out the kitchen. I do not mean any offence, mate but please either get real or butt out. Now is the time for plain speaking because our club is going down the pan and we really do not need any karma from half way around the world. I still love you, don't worry - but you have picked the wrong day to post a happy clappy message. The boys from the "Ave" say hello, but trust me having just left there your post would have gone down like a lead balloon. Hope you are well and New Year blessings. Dunc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 OK. For the next three hours I'm going to shout at you, very loudly that I want you to run the 100 metres in under eleven seconds... Let's see how you get on. The difference being I am not capable of running 100m in 11s, whereas these players are capable of better. Yes I know they are a poor bunch, but today's performance wasn't the limit of what they can "achieve" I wouldn't scream myself horse and call them everything under the sun like some 1950s drill sergeant, but I would let them know today's performance wasn't acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Very succinctly put my friend...okay I maybe too positive for some of you and others maybe too negative. As you suggest what is the alternative? This is a far more supportable effort than those 'couldn't-care-less' journeymen of the recent past. well I think a lot of the players this season couldn't care less... we've been completely spineless this season apart from kelvin davies gillet always puts a lot off effort in too but some of the others don't seem to care - i think we have a problem with motivation. if one of neil warnocks teams put in a gutless, passionless performance he'd definitley let them know about it and they wouldn't do it again soon... it seems like jan just says "the boysh did well, we are proud and we try make a goal soon" telling them they did well when they clearly didn't won't achieve anything and we could have played euell, wotton and wright phillips today to give us a bit of experience... how goebern gets a start ahead of bwp is beyond me, he looked totally star struck today and out of his depth in CCC games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The difference being I am not capable of running 100m in 11s, whereas these players are capable of better. Yes I know they are a poor bunch, but today's performance wasn't the limit of what they can "achieve" I wouldn't scream myself horse and call them everything under the sun like some 1950s drill sergeant, but I would let them know today's performance wasn't acceptable. I'm sure they know it wasn't. I'm also sure they have neither the confidence or self-belief they had four months ago when they were playing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The difference being I am not capable of running 100m in 11s, whereas these players are capable of better. Yes I know they are a poor bunch, but today's performance wasn't the limit of what they can "achieve" I wouldn't scream myself horse and call them everything under the sun like some 1950s drill sergeant, but I would let them know today's performance wasn't acceptable. But it was acceptable! They are not a CCC first team squad of players - they are a CCC youth/reserve team. It's not their fault they have been abandoned on the pitch by Lowes stategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 and we could have played euell, wotton and wright phillips today to give us a bit of experience... how goebern gets a start ahead of bwp is beyond me, he looked totally star struck today and out of his depth in CCC games It's pretty obvious that they weren't played because they are about to be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 um, a team that includes Berbatov, Rooney, Vidic, Van Der Sar, Neville, Carrick, Nani, Anderson and Mike Riley aren't champions? I was proud of our boysh. Sorry that you're not. You have to realise SoccerMom that if Saints had won 5-0 there would still be posters on here demanding that we smell the coffee, stop the spin, sack everyone ... its just how it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I'm sure they know it wasn't. I'm also sure they have neither the confidence or self-belief they had four months ago when they were playing better. But it was acceptable! They are not a CCC first team squad of players - they are a CCC youth/reserve team. It's not their fault they have been abandoned on the pitch by Lowes stategy. I know they are short on confidence and they aren't CCC quality players, but they ARE better than they have been in recent games. If you tell the players their performance today was good, they will not try and better it. Things are bad at the moment. What can we possibly gain by the players being in denial about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Tim that is religious unhelpful Californian bull****. We were ****e today and the sooner we come to terms with it the better. Respectfully yours Duncan I thought the kids tried hard. Trouble is they wouldnt get a 'should try harder' tick on their school reports as the teachers would have recognised that they were playing above their ability. I think you're right. Duncan, you know this club in detail better than most and history is a critical medium for understanding how things can turn out. Do you, like me, think that unless we see a major change top to bottom VERY SOON, this Club is heading for League 2 in 1 1/2 seasons time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Full house - good support. . To be honest Tim, it was the worst FA Cup game for atmosphere at SMS I have ever been to. Honestly. Although it was nice to see the Itchen Corner in full voice and 'enjoying' themselves on the odd occassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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