Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If they're old, well-paid, don't care, should know better fine. If they are having the fourth/tenth game of their career and learning. It simply shows you up to know little about football, to be inconsiderate and frankly not much of a fan. There is a lot wrong at this club. Laying the blame at the foot of people who are paid some of the lowest wages in the league, with no experience, badly organised is such a shame. In the old days we supported our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 So i should applaud players playing badly and others showing no spirit or fight or will to play for the club? Not me sonny, i will continue to say it as i see it thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 So i should applaud players playing badly and others showing no spirit or fight or will to play for the club? Not me sonny, i will continue to say it as i see it thanks good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Maybe if they weren't trumpeted as the products of the world's greatest ever academy at every opportunity and we weren't constantly fed nonsense about what lovely football they play and how they've grown up playing an attacking Dutch style we might be a little more forgiving. Oh, and "not much of a fan" - good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Would agree - I didn't see anybody not trying today - the fact of the matter is they played to thier potential, but this was never, ever going to be anywhere near enough to worry Man Utd. They are simply not good enough to compete. Individually we probably have a few that are good enough - collectively, unfortunately we are nowhere near the mark. Tis not thier fault - they just aint good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Maybe if they weren't trumpeted as the products of the world's greatest ever academy at every opportunity and we weren't constantly fed nonsense about what lovely football they play and how they've grown up playing an attacking Dutch style we might be a little more forgiving. Oh, and "not much of a fan" - good one. Did they trumpet themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I will slate and applaud who ever I want...and no post/thread will make me do otherwise.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If they're old, well-paid, don't care, should know better fine. If they are having the fourth/tenth game of their career and learning. It simply shows you up to know little about football, to be inconsiderate and frankly not much of a fan. There is a lot wrong at this club. Laying the blame at the foot of people who are paid some of the lowest wages in the league, with no experience, badly organised is such a shame. In the old days we supported our own. I agree with you. Let's not kid ourselves though - our youth team players are currently of the standard of experienced non league players. This is normal for youth team players. It's not the young players that are the problem, it's the fact we have no balance between youth and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The fact we didnt beat Man Utd isnt the issue, didnt expect us too. Just the manner of our performance and the way we lied down and played for an acceptable loss to all intents and purposes that gets to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I will slate and applaud who ever I want...and no post/thread will make me do otherwise.. Good for you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I will slate and applaud who ever I want...and no post/thread will make me do otherwise.. here here TDD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I feel sorry for our young players. They are out of their depth and getting beaten every week is bound to affect morale. These young players should have been introduced inot a more experienced team. Actually, we could be ruining theri careers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Did they trumpet themselves? ooh, er missus No, indeed they did not, but if footballers play badly they tend to get slated. It's that kind of industry and I think the realisation that Lowe's grand vision is a hollow dream will unfortunately be a problem borne by them as well as all true fans of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 I agree with you. Let's not kid ourselves though - our youth team players are currently of the standard of experienced non league players. This is normal for youth team players. It's not the young players that are the problem, it's the fact we have no balance between youth and experience. One or two of them will be good enough. Most of them if introduced the right way could contribute. What will happen is they will leave and many will flourish elsewhere in a better set-up, better organised and playing in their natural positions. Some will never be good enough. Hardly their fault is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The point a lot are making though benjii is that they are not playing badly, they are playing to the best of their ability. Ok so that is awful, but it's not their fault our chairman expects them to be world beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The point a lot are making though benjii is that they are not playing badly, they are playing to the best of their ability. Ok so that is awful, but it's not their fault our chairman expects them to be world beaters. how do you know they are playing to the best of their ability not so long ago.."we had the best academy".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 They are simply not good enough for the CCC. Keep it real folks - we're on a slippery slope with slippery slippers on... All this happy clappy ****** is more than tiresome...its almost like Rupert's family are posting or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 ooh, er missus No, indeed they did not, but if footballers play badly they tend to get slated. It's that kind of industry and I think the realisation that Lowe's grand vision is a hollow dream will unfortunately be a problem borne by them as well as all true fans of the club. If bad players play as well as they can, do they get applauded? I'm not asking people to applaud a losing team every week - although I have when it is obvious they're doing as well as they can. But when lads are having their fourth/fifth game and being slated for not being able to beat United - well, some people eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popester Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 On the OS , Jan says that hopefully no one else will leave - If we can get Molyneaux , Daily and Saga in the team plus Schneiderlin , Lallana and Holmes firing on all cylinders then we can start getting ourselves out of the mess we are in. Let's get behind the team but still try to get Lowe out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If bad players play as well as they can, do they get applauded? I'm not asking people to applaud a losing team every week - although I have when it is obvious they're doing as well as they can. But when lads are having their fourth/fifth game and being slated for not being able to beat United - well, some people eh? who is slating them for not beating UTD...dont think anyone is..:confused: what people are not happy about is basic basic errors being made week in week out. it was highlighted more today at UTDs attempts to walk the ball into the net... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 They are simply not good enough for the CCC. Keep it real folks - we're on a slippery slope with slippery slippers on... All this happy clappy ****** is more than tiresome...its almost like Rupert's family are posting or something... They might be good enough. You're convinced we can write off Lancashire and Smith now? Like Delap? The point is, they are not READY. And not ready to save a club from relegation. That is a big, big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If bad players play as well as they can, do they get applauded? I'm not asking people to applaud a losing team every week - although I have when it is obvious they're doing as well as they can. But when lads are having their fourth/fifth game and being slated for not being able to beat United - well, some people eh? Forget United, its not about this game. We are not good enough to stay in the CCC, hardly world beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 who is slating them for not beating UTD...dont think anyone is..:confused: what people are not happy about is basic basic errors being made week in week out. it was highlighted more today at UTDs attempts to walk the ball into the net... Read around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 They might be good enough. You're convinced we can write off Lancashire and Smith now? Like Delap? The point is, they are not READY. And not ready to save a club from relegation. That is a big, big difference. delap is shiyte... what has he been in the spotlight for this season again....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If I can see a player is trying and giving 100% then i will support him - today and this season we have had to endure lazy players with no fight no movement and zero imagination and if people want to boo them then they have every right - we pay for the privilege! What exactly do our players do at training? They don't seem to have any plan any change of speed or tactical knowledge - movement is non existent (Mcg most guilty) Seriously I've seen subbuteo players make more effort and show more passion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Pretty sure nobody said we should have beaten Utd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 They might be good enough. You're convinced we can write off Lancashire and Smith now? Like Delap? The point is, they are not READY. And not ready to save a club from relegation. That is a big, big difference. So if you agree that they are not ready, why are you arguing with the rest of us over it??? I think the League Position tells you everything you need to know about the quality of our squad - remember the QUANTITY OVER QUALITY OF Rupert's Squad when we got relegated last time? Check out the fact that we had a bigger squad on the back of the programme than MAN UNITED - what does that tell you???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If I can see a player is trying and giving 100% then i will support him - today and this season we have had to endure lazy players with no fight no movement and zero imagination and if people want to boo them then they have every right - we pay for the privilege! What exactly do our players do at training? They don't seem to have any plan any change of speed or tactical knowledge - movement is non existent (Mcg most guilty) Seriously I've seen subbuteo players make more effort and show more passion! Yep. That's right. Young lads, at the start of their career, doing what they dreamed of doing their whole lives, hoping to go on and play at the highest level are going onto the pitch and not trying. Against the World Champions. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 So if you agree that they are not ready, why are you arguing with the rest of us over it??? I think the League Position tells you everything you need to know about the quality of our squad - remember the QUANTITY OVER QUALITY OF Rupert's Squad when we got relegated last time? Check out the fact that we had a bigger squad on the back of the programme than MAN UNITED - what does that tell you???????? I'm not slating any young players. If you're not we're in agreement. After all, one of our worst performers was Skacel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSaint75 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If bad players play as well as they can, do they get applauded? I'm not asking people to applaud a losing team every week - although I have when it is obvious they're doing as well as they can. But when lads are having their fourth/fifth game and being slated for not being able to beat United - well, some people eh? THC, I know where you are coming from, but we have no idea if they are playing to their real potential do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Yep. That's right. Young lads, at the start of their career, doing what they dreamed of doing their whole lives, hoping to go on and play at the highest level are going onto the pitch and not trying. Against the World Champions. Problem solved. Im refering to half a season - NOT just today! Took me at least 8 games before I started booing our 'table football' team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 Im refering to half a season - NOT just today! Took me at least 8 games before I started booing our 'table football' team Me too. We have been very poor all season. But can I suggest you walk up to the Director's box and boo the people in in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 January, 2009 THC, I know where you are coming from, but we have no idea if they are playing to their real potential do we? Nope, ain't that the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If they're old, well-paid, don't care, should know better fine. If they are having the fourth/tenth game of their career and learning. It simply shows you up to know little about football, to be inconsiderate and frankly not much of a fan. There is a lot wrong at this club. Laying the blame at the foot of people who are paid some of the lowest wages in the league, with no experience, badly organised is such a shame. In the old days we supported our own. Apart from the odd one or two I don't think the majority are having a go at Individuals, its more the manner of the performance people are questioning. I also don't see the problem on a fans forum of discussing players performance's, just as you would do with your mates down the pub. Whilst I agree at matches or personally to have a go at individuals doesn't make sense. But discussing/questioning on a fans forum is far removed from having a go at individuals. I fully expected to be beaten today so not surprised but it was a Lack lustre performance & it doesn't matter how much I want it to be different it doesn't make it so. Also not many laying the blame at the feet of the players, its the management structure that is at fault. As the balance of the side is all wrong, two many round pegs in square holes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The point a lot are making though benjii is that they are not playing badly, they are playing to the best of their ability. Ok so that is awful, but it's not their fault our chairman expects them to be world beaters. At a match if i think the team,or a particular player hasnt given his all,or had a bad game,i wont boo.In fact i dont clap either.Usually i just come on here and moan about them. Our players do make silly mistakes and a lot of them are not good enough to be playing at this level. The blame must firstly lie with Lowe. He was the one who picked our Head Coach and he alone must take the blame. Also i think Portaloo is just clueless. Notts Forest were deemed to be worse than us,yet now they have a good manager,they suddenly win against Man City. A good manager could get our team playing better,but didnt we have one of those at the end of last season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 The fact we didnt beat Man Utd isnt the issue, didnt expect us too. Just the manner of our performance and the way we lied down and played for an acceptable loss to all intents and purposes that gets to me Just back and I came on to the messageboard to say that I couldnt bring myself to do anything other than support the nippas as I thought they were - on the whole - giving their all. I suddenly understood why people havent been protesting against Lowe but supporting the team, whom I thought were trying hard. Not been for a few weeks, in protest against Lowe, so I am quite surprised to read this. Is this what people really think? I noticed JP was nowhere to be seen - especially in the 2nd half. I could have missed it but, I never saw him once on the touch line encouraging the kids. That upset me a bit, but I thought the kids tried hard.... for League 2 standard players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 If they're old, well-paid, don't care, should know better fine. If they are having the fourth/tenth game of their career and learning. It simply shows you up to know little about football, to be inconsiderate and frankly not much of a fan. There is a lot wrong at this club. Laying the blame at the foot of people who are paid some of the lowest wages in the league, with no experience, badly organised is such a shame. In the old days we supported our own. Totally agree. Doesnt mean you're happy clappy, lowe luvvy, haven't smelt the coffee etc etc - just means you want to get behind your team, cos its Saints. I saw plenty of effort today (apart from a couple of strange "freezes" from Rudi) but the team is very inexperienced and needs confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 well if i was one of those players who has barely been in the team before and i was playing against man united i would be working my socks off and trying to put the other team under pressure and force mistakes. one of the benfits of using the younger players was supposed to be that they would play with a lot more passion and determination than the older players looking for an easy few years at the end of their career. the likes of gobern and patterson had no fight and no desire. if theyre not very good with the ball then the least they could do is make things difficult for the opoosition because they might as well have not been on the pitch because at the moment we are carrying players and when the players that we can rely upon have to do 2 player's jobs then winning any game will be very difficult. BUT I don't blame the younger players for not doing this, why isn't our clueless manager helping them. They are looking to the touchline for support and guidance and all they see is Jan standing with his hands in his pockets wondering why we are losing. Also while Kelvin may be good in the dressing room we need leaders amongst the players and it is difficult for a keeper to do this. Perry can guide Lancashire through but there was no other experience today and against Man U that is a joke. Even though some don't rate his footballing ability surely Euell must play in the midfield to help out the youngsters there and to actually make runs into the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 not so long ago, we had "the best academy" now, they are league 2 standard..? bollix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 January, 2009 Share Posted 4 January, 2009 not so long ago, we had "the best academy" now, they are league 2 standard..? bollix Mate - you need to watch a League 1 team. I watched Swindon 2 months ago and I am telling you man for man they were better than I witnessed today... with the exception of 3 men and one nippa. Swindon are struggling. Our kids are League 2 standard... potential yes... but playing standard right now = League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 8 of our 11 players are "youngsters" (in terms of the team v united). They dont play very well. What can we do? Davis is player of the season, Perry doesn't have to be playing anymore - if he didnt want to he'd be gone and Skacel has wanted to leave in the past but has proven willing to make up to the club and get back to a state where he plays well enough for his place. So what you're saying is us fans have to shut up, cope with it, and make the most of our ongoing freefall? If I was a player and I got abused, i'd be upset but also determined to put it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 not so long ago, we had "the best academy" now, they are league 2 standard..? bollix I fear we may have all been hinging on this too much. The real talent aka Bale, Walcott left and reality is nobody else was going to be that good. Bale and Walcott while with us were decent Championship standard players. We may have hoped for maybe 3 or 4 more Bale and Walcotts. I remember looking back 2 years ago and telling someone Jamie White was the next Walcott... and where is he now? League 2 standard at Shrewsbury. We did have "the best academy". That team won the Youth League in 2005. This Saints first team consists of a younger groups of lads that were in that team that beat Villa in the final... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 BS original post. The DESIRE to win has nothing to do with their age, experience, or even lack of coaching. They have proven to be complacent about their abilities and careers, think they have made it big already, possibly feel entitled like many of their generation. Lack of talent can be largely compensated by hard work and the will to succeed. They have not shown any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I know what you're saying LGTC, but when people have paid more than a hundred quid to take a family of four to a game they have a right to expect a bit of passion and ability no matter how young or inexperienced the players are. And if they don't get it, they have a right to criticise. Some of our players aren't good enough. It's not a case of expecting them to be as good as Man Utd, it's a case of expecting them to be good enough for the Championship. And some of them aren't ready yet. Not a criticism, a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I feel sorry for our young players. They are out of their depth and getting beaten every week is bound to affect morale. These young players should have been introduced inot a more experienced team. Actually, we could be ruining theri careers . Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 5 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 January, 2009 BS original post. The DESIRE to win has nothing to do with their age, experience, or even lack of coaching. They have proven to be complacent about their abilities and careers, think they have made it big already, possibly feel entitled like many of their generation. Lack of talent can be largely compensated by hard work and the will to succeed. They have not shown any of that. Not true of a single one of our youngsters - there is a massive difference between confident players and ones who have now had the confidence and belief knocked out of them because they are getting beat all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 not so long ago, we had "the best academy" now, they are league 2 standard..? bollix Jamie Smith is not starting for Shrewsbury 1st team and only on the bench recently while on loan to them in league 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 Is this what people really think? I noticed JP was nowhere to be seen - especially in the 2nd half. I could have missed it but, I never saw him once on the touch line encouraging the kids. That upset me a bit, but I thought the kids tried hard.... for League 2 standard players. That's funny - I was sat right behind and to the left of the technical area and every time I looked he was there. Gave the ref plenty of grief after the first half as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 The fact we didnt beat Man Utd isnt the issue, didnt expect us too. Just the manner of our performance and the way we lied down and played for an acceptable loss to all intents and purposes that gets to me agree, especially as it seemed for most of the game they all just stood and admired the talent they were playing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 5 January, 2009 Share Posted 5 January, 2009 I don't think most people here slate the players. They just point out that at the moment they are not good enough to put in the required level of performance and often are being played out of position in system that doesn't suit them. I have nothing against James, Lancashire, Gobern, Paterson or any of the rest on an individual level, but if I don't think they are not good enough to play in Saints first team and win us games, I will say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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