Belgiansaint Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 A bit of optimism: let's imagine Saints avoid the drop. Would it earn JP the right to manage the team for a second season, just as we all (well, nearly all) thought NP should have been given a new contract after keeping us in the CCC? Genuine question with all the revolutionary set-up claptrap aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up I think he will stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up I think he will stay. I think he will stay if we go down too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/West Saint Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I Think he will stay until he buys himself out of the contract. Maybe to takeover at Eastleigh lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 He'll stay one way or another. If we stay up, he'll have deserved it and learned some valuable lessons, if we go down, he'll be a better manager in a lower league. Either way I can think he's on a hefty wage, but even so I would be suprised if we'd let him go when finances are tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I don't think that JP has much to do with this mess the club is in. Given a decent chance he may well do OK and in light of the fact we aren't going to attarct the attentions of Jose Morinio I think we had just as well give JP some support, especially at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Who else would want him, with no plan B he is not exactly a master tachtician is he. In these times you hang on to whatever job you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up then the chances are that he will have shown an improvement and that he has learnt from his experience here. Therefore, he should be allowed to stay on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 A bit of optimism: let's imagine Saints avoid the drop. Would it earn JP the right to manage the team for a second season, just as we all (well, nearly all) thought NP should have been given a new contract after keeping us in the CCC? Genuine question with all the revolutionary set-up claptrap aside. Yes. But: 1. I would want to see him get better support from the board, otherwise it is just delaying the inevitable 2. It would show Lowe up as a hypocritical waanker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I'm sure he will stay but it is clear that JP and Lowe have accepted that player experience is required alongside youth and total football. I think we will stay up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I'm sure he will stay but it is clear that JP and Lowe have accepted that player experience is required alongside youth and total football. I think we will stay up now. I don't think there's any evidence that JP thought inexpereinced youth was better than say John or Skacel. He has his hands tied. Which is why I still am so sympathetic to his cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up then he will have thoroughly deserved to remain in charge. However much will depend on who is around at the end of the season to make the decision.If it is Lowe then presumably he will remain with his "vision" and retain JP.This may even be our best option as I can't imagine we'd attract a much better calibre of manager whilst Lowe remains at the club,and do we really want another pre-season of a new man'finding' his best squad and options ? If Lowe were to be shunted out - and heres hoping - then we may of course be looking to regroup etc and start afresh.I would be quite happy if we looked to build again with someone like Tisdale who might be commited for a relatively longer term,but not if we go down the 'recycled manager' route. Personally I would like to see JP remain in some capacity.Whilst he may indeed be out of his depth with the first team,I think he would be suited to youth team and developing youngsters to play the game in the right - passing- fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 would be bigger achievement than last year -so yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 tbh i think he has more chance of staying if we get relegated,he is cheap and in a distorted way he will be seen as stability in a time of great turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Get rid either way... One trick pony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Out of his depth...get rid now and get a real Football Manager and Assistant/coach in before it is too late.....Hope to God, not you Lowey, the real one,that Lowey departs very soon...Please. Win yesterday followed by another win against Doncaster would be great help.....But they still have to go as its just a lottery each week with this shambles of Chairmen and Coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I don't think that JP has much to do with this mess the club is in. Given a decent chance he may well do OK and in light of the fact we aren't going to attarct the attentions of Jose Morinio I think we had just as well give JP some support, especially at home. Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Of course he'll stay, he's Ruperts latest play thing. And of course he shouldn't. He's way way out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Alpine has all so the answers so we should be led by his response. Just the other day he was telling us who "right" he was about everything (apart from his unqualified support for Wilde of course). Sadly though, having declared that the club was finished because Cork and Pearce had left we then go and grind out three points!!! Early days of course, but as we have a fighting chance of staying up and as we have yet to go into administration then perhaps Alpine you are not always right about everything? As for JP, well again, as Pearson very nearly took as down but managed to get the points we needed to stay up in the final game and was then lauded as a manager who needed to stay...I expect Alpine that if JP keeps us up (and lets remember he doesn't have the resources that Peason had) then you would be fully supporting him (and the club/board) next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 I don't think there's any evidence that JP thought inexpereinced youth was better than say John or Skacel. He has his hands tied. Which is why I still am so sympathetic to his cause. What about his comment that the older players aren't pleaying because they are not on the same wavelength as the youngsters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 JP is clearly out of his depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 JP is clearly out of his depth No more so than a number of seasoned English managers, including one manager who recently managed in the Prem and has been sacked already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 What about his comment that the older players aren't pleaying because they are not on the same wavelength as the youngsters? I doubt he would be allowed to say that they are not playing because Rupes wants to put the kids in the shop window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up and Lowe stays - JP will stay. If we go down and Lowe stays - JP might go. If Lowe goes, JP is toast. Anyone taking over will not be impressed enough to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 No more so than a number of seasoned English managers, including one manager who recently managed in the Prem and has been sacked already. Paul Jewell should never be allowed out of the shallow end without arm bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 No more so than a number of seasoned English managers, including one manager who recently managed in the Prem and has been sacked already. I love your little noddy comparisons.:rolleyes: The ones that go: "Charlton are cra8p" - So that legitimaise our own dismal performances.:smt078 "Other managers are cra8p" - Therefore condoning our own managerial inadequacies:rolleyes: You sound like my nephew when he gets picked up by my brother for smashing things up - "Kylie's smashing it up as well". A classic case of blame deflection and as my brother would say to my nephew, "Manhattan, please accept responsibility for your own actions. We are discussing you here first and foremost. When we have solved you problems, we'll then try and solve the rest of the world's".:smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Um, please tell me that names have been changed to protect the identity of those involved?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Um, please tell me that names have been changed to protect the identity of those involved?! You don't know my brother (whose wife is called Palestina BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 You don't know my brother (whose wife is called Palestina BTW) Lol. Blimey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 What about his comment that the older players aren't pleaying because they are not on the same wavelength as the youngsters? Would have to see the context really. If it was in relation to say Euell when we were playing fast flowing football at the start of the season I would have agreed in part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 Um, please tell me that names have been changed to protect the identity of those involved?! What do you expect? His first name is Um Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 (edited) I love your little noddy comparisons.:rolleyes: The ones that go: "Charlton are cra8p" - So that legitimaise our own dismal performances.:smt078 "Other managers are cra8p" - Therefore condoning our own managerial inadequacies:rolleyes: You sound like my nephew when he gets picked up by my brother for smashing things up - "Kylie's smashing it up as well". A classic case of blame deflection and as my brother would say to my nephew, "Manhattan, please accept responsibility for your own actions. We are discussing you here first and foremost. When we have solved you problems, we'll then try and solve the rest of the world's".:smt044 Ah yes, that would be your nephew who could run SFC and comes on here prentending to be you, posting silly posts and using those rolly eyed thingies to make it look like the person he is replying to is stupid? It is not blame deflection at all. You and others like you came on here a while back telling us that would should model ourselves on clubs like Charlton and that we were badly run and should be run like them. Wise words mate LOL. You and others like you have been telling the rest of us lesser mortals that it was wrong to pick JP when there were so many other decent experienced manages (many of whom are either below us or not far above us and struggling too). All you ever do Steve is to come on here, twist facts to suit your own agenda and tell the rest of us that we are wrong. Not once I have I said that anything legitimises our performances, I am simply making wider comparisons so those people with tunnel vision get a wider picture. What others would give us "reasons" by the way, people like you call "excuses". By the way Steve, if we do stay up and acheive that before the last day of the season will you (or your nephew) backtrack and say that JP has done better than your pal Nigel Pearson, who as we both know only managed to stay up on the last game with more "seasoned" pros? Just to make it a little clearer. Yes we have to sort out our problems, no we don't have to sort the rest of the worlds, yes other clubs are having the same problems as us and guess what Steve and Steve's nephew, none of those clubs are run by Lowe and managed by JP. You see, no matter how much football experience you have, many many clubs find it very difficult to compete with others because guess what, they are all trying to win too! We got three points yesterday. Hopefully the defensive problems may finally have been sorted with two new signings and Saga will take some pressure off of McG and give us more punch up front. I prefer to look ahead with optimism, you prefer to come on and tell everybody how the club should be run because we are all alone in being so crap. Tell you what Steve, I bet you would be a wow on the Charlton and Norwich websites too, ever thought of branching out? You would rake it in as a consultant and by sorting out everyone elses problems too. Edited 11 January, 2009 by sadoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 A bit of optimism: let's imagine Saints avoid the drop. Would it earn JP the right to manage the team for a second season, just as we all (well, nearly all) thought NP should have been given a new contract after keeping us in the CCC? Genuine question with all the revolutionary set-up claptrap aside. Most definitely, all I wanted this season was to stay up, and that will be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 other clubs are having the same problems as us and guess what Steve and Steve's nephew, none of those clubs are run by Lowe and managed by JP. You just can't help yourself can you:smt044:rolleyes::smt044:rolleyes: I'll repeat it one more time for the more senile of our fans, I don't care about other teams. You tell him Manhattan:p:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 If we stay up given all the cuts he's done a fantastic job. As it is he's got a really tough job and the duty's still out. If we stay up under JP's far from dynamic leadership I'll eat my own earwax. The only way we'll survive under the present set up and regime will be if 3 more teams simply implode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 i will give him him his taXI FARE TO the airport, he is nearly as useless as our board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 January, 2009 Share Posted 11 January, 2009 i will give him him his taXI FARE TO the airport, he is nearly as useless as our board! I`ll chip in for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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