Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just in case there was any doubt that Trump is in Putin’s pocket.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15308713/amp/Trumps-officials-arrive-Ukraine-bid-force-Zelensky-accepting-peace-deal-heavily-tilted-Russia-hand-land-Putin-cut-military.html

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

[sadoldgit]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

Really? It leaves Ukraine totally exposed to future Russian aggression and rewards them for their initial invasions into sovereign territory. It also gives Putin the green light for future action elsewhere. Do you think that European leaders would be happy with this deal?

[AlexLaw76]

24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Really? It leaves Ukraine totally exposed to future Russian aggression and rewards them for their initial invasions into sovereign territory. It also gives Putin the green light for future action elsewhere. Do you think that European leaders would be happy with this deal?

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

European leaders appear almost irrelevant to this given we have, for decades, sub-contracted out our own defence to the USA.

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

What would you have said to Churchill in July 1940 ?

[badgerx16]

Trump really wants that Nobel Peace Prize, and he will shit on anybody that is in his way.

[AlexLaw76]

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

What would you have said to Churchill in July 1940 ?

We had one of the worlds most formidable military base, and an empire, at the time

vastly different situation from now.

Reality is Ukraine is being destroyed, inch by inch, and losing 1000s of troops quickly (as are Russia)

if we really wanted to stop this, Europe (inc the UK) could have sent land and air forces in years ago. We all could have sailed into the Black Sea years ago, and put NATO assets in the way.

none of that has happened and the angry words from Europe continue.

Edited 18 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We had one of the worlds most formidable military base, and an empire, at the time

vastly different situation from now.

Reality is Ukraine is being destroyed, inch by inch, and losing 1000s of troops quickly (as are Russia)

if we really wanted to stop this, Europe (inc the UK) could have sent land and air forces in years ago. We all could have sailed into the Black Sea years ago, and put NATO assets in the way.

none of that has happened and the angry words from Europe continue.

So Putin wins. 

[badgerx16]

Nic, this level of 'debate' is why people think you are a grade A whinging cunt.

[AlexLaw76]

54 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So Putin wins. 

the big dog in the fight usually does

[badgerx16]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

the big dog in the fight usually does

Particularly when he holds the leash of the other big dog.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

European leaders appear almost irrelevant to this given we have, for decades, sub-contracted out our own defence to the USA.

Why do you think Poland are worried, as are various other members of the former USSR? Estonia? Latvia? Lithuania? Moldova? Putin didn’t stop at the Crimea. What means you will think he will stop after this?

Edited 17 hours ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

Georgia. Same playbook, Russia already occupies about 20% of Georgian territory.

Edited 17 hours ago by badgerx16

[whelk]

4 hours ago, pingpong said:

Just a quiet call for posters on this thread, it sounds like this nic poster is experiencing some challenges with their mental health, and when they post like above, it might be kinder to ignore them than antagonise them. I will only post this once on the matter for this reason. 

I'm sure they will read this. I'd say take a breath, step away from this forum, and logically consider whether your quality of life could improve if you find someone to speak to, potentially a professional listener or therapist. You don't have to answer to this or any post, you don't have to feel defensive, we don't know each other and never will, just take it as well meaning advice and give it some thought next time you are feeling calm.  I can highly recommend a social media break too as it seems like it is a trigger point for you.

The voices on this forum should ultimately be an irrelevance, and the frustration you feel could just be a project of conflict within yourself - something that you can work through with the help of others. Just something to think about.

Wasting your time with this plum I’m afraid. Close to one of the most stupid arrogant twats on the planet. Understands fuck all and desperate to fight it. Even SOG puts him in his place

[AlexLaw76]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Georgia. Same playbook, Russia already occupies about 20% of Georgian territory.

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

[badgerx16]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

Complacent for far too long.

[sadoldgit]

40 minutes ago, whelk said:

Wasting your time with this plum I’m afraid. Close to one of the most stupid arrogant twats on the planet. Understands fuck all and desperate to fight it. Even SOG puts him in his place

That’s probably the kindest thing you have said to me Whelk. 😘

[sadoldgit]

27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

They were probably expecting Trump to man up at some point, given that the US are the only nation that could force the issue. They still hold the cards, as Trump would put it, and if the US pulls the plug on support for Ukraine, what can NATO do without the possibility of starting WW3? Putin only understands brute force and he knows that we (Europeans) are shit scared of escalation. That is why we can’t let this happen. He will only come back for more and he knows that he has Trump on his pocket.

[spyinthesky]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We had one of the worlds most formidable military base, and an empire, at the time

vastly different situation from now.

Reality is Ukraine is being destroyed, inch by inch, and losing 1000s of troops quickly (as are Russia)

if we really wanted to stop this, Europe (inc the UK) could have sent land and air forces in years ago. We all could have sailed into the Black Sea years ago, and put NATO assets in the way.

none of that has happened and the angry words from Europe continue.

Alex,
If you were PM at the time Russia invaded Crimea would you have sent our under resourced Military into the Black Sea to prevent the incursion?

[spyinthesky]

53 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Complacent for far too long.

And to be fair, the younger European generation have enjoyed a relatively affluent (ie 'softer') life than their forefathers.

I dont blame them for that but that is a fact of life.

For example, the Danish Govt are starting to call up 18 year olds (both male & female) to spend time learning the type of skills they may need in a conflict.

That is not going down too well.

In comparison, Russia, led by a State controlled media, are telling their population that are under sustained attack by the West (particularly the UK) and they are obliged to defend their Motherland.

Very worrying times.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Alex,
If you were PM at the time Russia invaded Crimea would you have sent our under resourced Military into the Black Sea to prevent the incursion?

No. We simply have not had the military capability for many years to sustain anything like what would be required.

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

They were probably expecting Trump to man up at some point, given that the US are the only nation that could force the issue. They still hold the cards, as Trump would put it, and if the US pulls the plug on support for Ukraine, what can NATO do without the possibility of starting WW3? Putin only understands brute force and he knows that we (Europeans) are shit scared of escalation. That is why we can’t let this happen. He will only come back for more and he knows that he has Trump on his pocket.

If Europe had invested properly in its collective armed forces for the last 25+ years, and had the will to do something/anything without the USA, then I am sure we/they would. 

Neither is reality, and as a result we are completely and totally in the pocket of the USA. Why? Because welfare, free stuff for anyone who wants it, Net Zero and such like are all priorities. A result of which may make the news over the coming weeks/months, from a maritime perspective.

We do have 'sanctions' and strongly worded press conferences to rely on... 🤨

 

Edited 15 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Wasting your time with this plum I’m afraid. Close to one of the most stupid arrogant twats on the planet. Understands fuck all and desperate to fight it. Even SOG puts him in his place

Can you please show with an example of anyone putting me in my place, with specific factual examples etc.

Didn't think so. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No. We simply have not had the military capability for many years to sustain anything like what would be required.

If Europe had invested properly in its collective armed forces for the last 25+ years, and had the will to do something/anything without the USA, then I am sure we/they would.

Neither is reality, and as a result we are completely and totally in the pocket of the USA. Why? Because welfare, free stuff for anyone who wants it, Net Zero and such like are all priorities. 

We do have 'sanctions' and strongly worded press conferences to rely on... 🤨

 

Impressive leap to blame it all on welfare and Net Zero. Where were you for the last 14 years of Tory austerity where they were cutting everything, including the armed forces, back to the bone? Do you think too that Brexit has made us any better off either financially or security wise?

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

Impressive leap to blame it all on welfare and Net Zero. Where were you for the last 14 years of Tory austerity where they were cutting everything, including the armed forces, back to the bone? Do you think too that Brexit has made us any better off either financially or security wise?

14 years is just the tip of the iceberg. The state of the armed forces is on both parties.

 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Can you please show with an example of anyone putting me in my place, with specific factual examples etc.

Didn't think so. 

For someone desperate for me to answer his questions, you don’t seem in a rush to tell me which questions I haven’t answered.

[sadoldgit]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

14 years is just the tip of the iceberg. The state of the armed forces is on both parties.

 

I don’t disagree. But blaming welfare and Net Zero is a stretch. Would you pay higher taxes for the military? People don’t even want to pay higher taxes for the NHS and public services apparently.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Neither is reality, and as a result we are completely and totally in the pocket of the USA. Why? Because welfare, free stuff for anyone who wants it, Net Zero and such like are all priorities.  🤨

 

If the Argies had waited 3 months to invade the Falklands, much of the task force would have been mothballed and unavailable due to cuts imposed by Maggie's Government. The decline of our military capability has been a much longer process than you imply.

Edited 15 hours ago by badgerx16

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

No. We simply have not had the military capability for many years to sustain anything like what would be required.

If Europe had invested properly in its collective armed forces for the last 25+ years, and had the will to do something/anything without the USA, then I am sure we/they would.

Neither is reality, and as a result we are completely and totally in the pocket of the USA. Why? Because welfare, free stuff for anyone who wants it, Net Zero and such like are all priorities. 

We do have 'sanctions' and strongly worded press conferences to rely on... 🤨

 

 

Now that we've seen them, it's our turn to hide. UK reduced to playing hide and seek in the face of conflict. 🙂

 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

I don’t disagree. But blaming welfare and Net Zero is a stretch. Would you pay higher taxes for the military? People don’t even want to pay higher taxes for the NHS and public services apparently.

They were examples of where the priorities are. They are choices. Like spending billions on accepting illegal immigrants, along with everything else. 
 

Scraping 2.2% of GDP on Defence, with clever accounting, is a political choice 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

If the Argies had waited 3 months to invade the Falklands, much of the task force would have been mothballed and unavailable due to cuts imposed by Maggie's Government. The decline of our military capability has been a much long process than you imply.

But they didn’t, and it was not. The same/similar mistakes of pre-1982 are happening in plain sight.

 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

free stuff for anyone who wants it

Link? Assume you aren’t talking about education and healthcare

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Can you please show with an example of anyone putting me in my place, with specific factual examples etc.

Didn't think so. 

Your place is sat on the stool in the corner with the Dunce hat on.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Link? Assume you aren’t talking about education and healthcare

It's Alexei, his World view is a bit distorted.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They were examples of where the priorities are. They are choices. Like spending billions on accepting illegal immigrants, along with everything else. 
 

Scraping 2.2% of GDP on Defence, with clever accounting, is a political choice 

 

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If the Argies had waited 3 months to invade the Falklands, much of the task force would have been mothballed and unavailable due to cuts imposed by Maggie's Government. The decline of our military capability has been a much long process than you imply.

Clearly the solution is embrace people crossing the channel on boats, sign them up and we'll have a more functional navy. 🙂

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

They were examples of where the priorities are. They are choices. Like spending billions on accepting illegal immigrants, along with everything else. 
 

Scraping 2.2% of GDP on Defence, with clever accounting, is a political choice 

What is al of this free stuff you are talking about? You sound more like a Farage shill everyday. It has nothing to do with “illegal immigrants” and net zero. You may not have noticed but things have changed a lot since the good old days of the Empire.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, sadoldgit said:

What is al of this free stuff you are talking about? You sound more like a Farage shill everyday. It has nothing to do with “illegal immigrants” and net zero. You may not have noticed but things have changed a lot since the good old days of the Empire.

What ever is spent, the decision of successive governments to cleverly account that we allocate just 2.2% on the military.

if we want to do more than strongly worded press conferences, against a peer, then it is simply not enough.

it was not always 2% spent by our government, but there we are.

[sadoldgit]

We are where we are. I don’t think anybody imagined that the USA would become Russia’s bitch but until Trump either gets what’s coming to him or croaks we have to rely on the rest of NATO, just like everyone else. And I know that you don’t agree, but we should be more worried about the effects on the country caused by global warming in the next few years than being invaded by Russia.

[whelk]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

That’s probably the kindest thing you have said to me Whelk. 😘

I’ll be expecting an invite to one of your legendary lunches

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

I’ll be expecting an invite to one of your legendary lunches

You wouldn’t like it Whelk. The conversation would be far too woke for your taste. 😉

[badgerx16]

Zohran Mamdani is due to meet Trump tomorrow - "We have a communist coming to the White House" says Karoline Leavitt, continuing to demonstrate her total ignorance.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, whelk said:

I’ll be expecting an invite to one of your legendary lunches

Tsk. You read someone's posts for a while, and it turns out they are imaginary and off to SOG's lunches. 🙂

 

[aintforever]

5 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What ever is spent, the decision of successive governments to cleverly account that we allocate just 2.2% on the military.

if we want to do more than strongly worded press conferences, against a peer, then it is simply not enough.

it was not always 2% spent by our government, but there we are.

And you will never stop moaning about it. Fact is we needed the US to win WW2, we will need them to beat Russia regardless of how much we spend on our military in the UK.

 

[spyinthesky]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

And you will never stop moaning about it. Fact is we needed the US to win WW2, we will need them to beat Russia regardless of how much we spend on our military in the UK.

 

We should all be proud and thankful to our relatives in this country who fought against the Nazi regime.

Despite what many flag waving 'patriots' may believe, us Brits did not win either of the two World Wars without significant manpower assistance from  Commonwealth countries and later the economic power of the USA.

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Zohran Mamdani is due to meet Trump tomorrow - "We have a communist coming to the White House" says Karoline Leavitt, continuing to demonstrate her total ignorance.

He has a problem because he thinks that Mamdani is a “communist” yet he has been sucking up to Xi who is….. you guessed it, Communist. Great guy, great guy.

[east-stand-nic]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Your place is sat on the stool in the corner with the Dunce hat on.

I am sorry I bother you so much but sadly for you I will never stop. When I see clear childish views and myopic double standards, I will call them out for what they are. And rightly so. I notice with great interest that ever after having asked you, whelk, sog and many others many times for examples of where I have been wrong or where I have been caught out, you all run off or name call again. Why? because you can't. I state facts.

13 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

For someone desperate for me to answer his questions, you don’t seem in a rush to tell me which questions I haven’t answered.

Because you know full well that you avoid questions, you are just being childish as ever and pretending to not have noticed. Here is a reminder, Safer? Or less safe? You know what you do. You read all my posts fully as you answer what you want to answer but avoid the one question each time that you know catches you out and makes you unable to answer without me beating you again. It is so bloody obvious. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

14 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Clearly the solution is embrace people crossing the channel on boats, sign them up and we'll have a more functional navy. 🙂

That could be an idea. 

Will send a message to those that follow, that you get a job in the army.