ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I have translated a couple of paragraphs using Google translator from the 4 page spread in Voetbal International where it mentions Kim van der Waals as below but its not translated very well, well it sounds double dutch to me. If anyone wants the whole 4 page article and would like to translate it let me know and I will send it to you. ==== kerde posture that nothing has changed. It is still horst forward and chin up. Not for nothing as the players Sout-hampton Mr. him. Chocolate, a figure of chocolate from a popular TV commercial. The corresponding slogan is: The man who likes himself so much he can eat himself. Wotte itself there seems to lachen.Iedereen except Van der Waals himself, he notes that a lot of irTitatie opxveld within the club, but it is mad no one says there nets of. Wotte He is also not on the field, where he assists Port ¬ stream during training. Wotte left the Netherlands and technical directeurwan Feyenoord, a time when he was mainly recognized by the mobile phone are our. Now, he is a uainingspak, but his zelfverze Kim van der Waals is still tricks in the hall to Rupert Lowe as the field is opwandelen. The President was two years ago by the shareholders away, but now he is back. Not with the greatest success. The club is still struggling with financi6e problems, the numbers of spectators to walk heteerst rinds Years back, and also the position in the rankings will not invite to a spontaneous nit polonaise. Rupert Lowe, the last time fiever therefore would not be in the city if it is not really necessary. He is the most hated man in Southampton. In a pageant on the club, the President does not object, but the field is quite fast sprekje past as to the precise role of Kim van der Waals requested. "He is our adviser, says the president just before his turn and somewhere else; goat state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 You had me at goat state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Probably makes more sense than a JP teamtalk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Don't let Lowe know that the Dutch think he is a 'President' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 If he's our advisor, what the hell is he advising us on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 All the rest is gobbledy-gook yet this bit translates so well. "He is the most hated man in Southampton" Excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Expect a story on this bloke in the Echo sometime this week, now that we've made them aware of this bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Kim van der Waals is still tricks in the hall to Rupert Lowe Is that "turning tricks for Rupert Lowe"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 It is still horst forward and chin up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Expect a story on this bloke in the Echo sometime this week, now that we've made them aware of this bloke. The Echo these days would struggle to find out anything about Saints. Just look at the Hockaday matter they did not notice he was not there on Saturday in their first reports. They have zero sources inside the Club and never break any news story. More chance on this web site of finding out what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Can you post the original Dutch text please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Probably makes more sense than a JP teamtalk! LOL... I bet that's how JP sounds to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Can you post the original Dutch text please? A dutch friend of mine (Jan - no not that one) is going to translate it correctly for me hopefully sometime tomorrow as the article is spread over 4 pages. I can pm you a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowsaintsfan Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 A dutch friend of mine (Jan - no not that one) is going to translate it correctly for me hopefully sometime tomorrow as the article is spread over 4 pages. I can pm you a copy. Arnt they all called Jan? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Arnt they all called Jan? :confused: No, the one that lives in our village is called Geraldine, but she's on holiday at her daughters in Canada just now so no translation-sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Can you post the original Dutch text please? I was just going to post that request up to see if you would be kind enough to do the honours. Does this name mean anything to you or any of your Ducth colleagues??? Aparently he is a regular at matches, Staplewood and St Mary's, but he has never officially been introduced to people. Someone thinks he was also present at the Osborne Pub Q & A night, but not had that confirmed. The snippet I got was that he was Lowe's footballing advisor and has a say on all the major footballing decisions. Not sure exacty what that means, or how it relates to Jan and the decision making process, so maybe someone with an in to the Club can get this clarified. Apparently, this is him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoozer Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 If that is the guy he's been a regular in the Director's box, front row next to Lowe for many many matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Calling offix! Calling offix! Please report to the office for some translation work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 All I can say is that I really never ever have heard of this guy. If anything he's probably some second rate agent or something. The reason I asked for the original text was indeed so I could translate it. It doesn't seem that long so it should be easy enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Hopefully Exit2 will post it up shortly as I couldnt do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 If that is the guy he's been a regular in the Director's box, front row next to Lowe for many many matches. Apparently he's also a regular at away matches as well. So what's he doing here then???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Perhaps he is the administrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Calling offix! Calling offix! Please report to the office for some translation work. Someone send me the article and I will translate. No worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Whoever he is, I bet he's much better than Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I was just going to post that request up to see if you would be kind enough to do the honours. Does this name mean anything to you or any of your Ducth colleagues??? Aparently he is a regular at matches, Staplewood and St Mary's, but he has never officially been introduced to people. Someone thinks he was also present at the Osborne Pub Q & A night, but not had that confirmed. The snippet I got was that he was Lowe's footballing advisor and has a say on all the major footballing decisions. Not sure exacty what that means, or how it relates to Jan and the decision making process, so maybe someone with an in to the Club can get this clarified. Apparently, this is him. he was definately at the osbourne mate,very strange character indeed.my first impressions of him were that he was JP and Wotte's agent but he seemed to be directing the show so im not so sure??????? there must be somebody out there who has contact with a player or two,perhaps they could get them to cofirm who he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 He is an expert in paintings and has been asked to value The painting of the train. Result ...Its only a photo and not worth the cost of a frame.... He has been here all season barking out orders and free access to all quarters, unlike many famous ex football stars...No one seems to know his name , other than he is known as the adviser/confidante of Rupert and came with Wotte and JP, package. Some would describe him as an Acting Director of Football when Rupert is absent.....Wonder what Wildey makes of all this. As stated he has been around St Marys, Staplewood, public Houses and Saints away games... Someone at first thought he was Russian but now like most think he is Jan or Johan......I know him as Dutchey, for obvious reasons. No rumours about admin....Everyone being paid so far...usually a sign.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I went to the one held at the freemantle and he wasnt at that one, only JP, Woote and Gorre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Goodness. The number of Dutch at St Mary's are multiplying. How many Dutchmen does it take to......... (fill in the rest yourself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Where can I get this 'nit polonaise'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I have sent it to offix who is busy translating now instead of working! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Has, Van Gogh arrived or White Van Man or that new Dutch singing centre forward Van Morrison...These will all be loans with part time jobs to help the finances...quite easy to see whick player will be doing which job in his spare time. The guy Van Goghs first job is to paint over the train and give us a picture the whole world will respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I just received the article. It is pretty big mess in terms of format as well as content, and almost untranslatable, but here is a brief overview and some translated snippets: ----------- The whole thing seems to be a “day in the life of Poortvliet” kind of article, where they describe the various things that happen in Jan’s life at Saints. Van Der Waals describes himself as “a nobody” in the article and Ru**rt describes him only as “our adviser”. ---------- Wotte is quoted as saying that when he first came here he was shocked at the player’s salaries, and that the previous management brought the club to the edge of the abyss. ----------- Every time the writer describes the scene at the trainings facilities he also describes Van Der Waals as sitting at the trainer’s table. At one point Van Der Waals says: “Jan is a great trainer. He has proven at Helmond Sport what he can do with limited means. No-one here realizes that. I should know, because I have defined the strategy inside this club together with the chairman” --------- The writer goes on to say that Van Der Waals is a great admirer of Poortvliet, but an even greater admirer of himself. ------------- He describes a scene where Van Der Waals walks on to the training field, takes a ball and starts to kick the ball around, showing of to others, saying "look how good I am". The writer continues: “He seems to irritate a lot of people on the field, but strangely enough nobody says anything, not even Wotte” ---------- Wotte is, according to the article, referred to by everyone, including the players, as Mr. Chocolate, after a figure from a TV commercial. The slogan to go with that is “The man who likes himself so much he could eat himself” ------------- There is also a scene described when Ru**rt walks onto the training pitch, and is willing to give a brief interview. The interview is immediately cut short however when he is asked about Van Der Waal’s role. Ru**rt says; “he is our advisor”, then turns and walks away. -------------------- One other scene is described where the coaching staff has a meeting with Ru**rt about the situation with our forwards. Van Der Waals is in that meeting too. After the very loud “screaming match” that the meeting was, Van Der Waals tells the reporter that he told Jan not to give any more interviews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Very interesting. Who was the person that Barcelona Saint met at the airport that time? Could this be the guy? We have to find out what is role is and who he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Wotte is, according to the article, referred to by everyone, including the players, as Mr. Chocolate, after a figure from a TV commercial. The slogan to go with that is “The man who likes himself so much he could eat himself” http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZ-6y2UEfM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 LOL i was wondering what the chocolate man was it does resemble him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 One quote about van der Waals jumps out for me. In the article it says: "Kim van der Waals is een grote bewonderaar van Jan Poormliet, maar nog een veel grotere van Kim van der Waals." "KvdW is a big admirer of Jan Poortvliet but an even bigger one of KvdW" i.e. He's full of it, I don't think the author of the article was very impressed with the guy. Besides that I don't think the article is that good. It seems like it is badly researched relying fully on the Dutchies at Saints for info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting add-on to this: My brother is a professional football scout in Holland, and I asked him about Van Der Waals. Here is his answer: "I happened to see this article a few weeks ago in Voetbal International. The common thread throughout the article was this vague figure of Kim Van Der Waals. Bottom line is that nobody in the football world here (Holland) knows of him, what he does, or has done, or even who he is. It seems that one day he walked into SFC out of nowhere and became extremely close to your chairman. I hear he is impossible to work with and even harder to get out, due to his protection from Lowe. His added value is ZERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 You can't even find the bloke with google so that doesn't surprise me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 The whole thing seems to be a “day in the life of Poortvliet” kind of article, where they describe the various things that happen in Jan’s life at Saints. Van Der Waals describes himself as “a nobody” in the article and Ru**rt describes him only as “our adviser”.! So what does advise on? Every time the writer describes the scene at the trainings facilities he also describes Van Der Waals as sitting at the trainer’s table. At one point Van Der Waals says: “Jan is a great trainer. He has proven at Helmond Sport what he can do with limited means. No-one here realizes that. I should know, because I have defined the strategy inside this club together with the chairman” So him and Lowe have defined the strategy? So what is that? Youth? He describes a scene where Van Der Waals walks on to the training field, takes a ball and starts to kick the ball around, showing of to others, saying "look how good I am". The writer continues: “He seems to irritate a lot of people on the field, but strangely enough nobody says anything, not even Wotte” MMMM Sounds a bit like Michael Knighton There is also a scene described when Ru**rt walks onto the training pitch, and is willing to give a brief interview. The interview is immediately cut short however when he is asked about Van Der Waal’s role. Ru**rt says; “he is our advisor”, then turns and walks away. Whats to keep it stum? One other scene is described where the coaching staff has a meeting with Ru**rt about the situation with our forwards. Van Der Waals is in that meeting too. After the very loud “screaming match” that the meeting was, Van Der Waals tells the reporter that he told Jan not to give any more interviews! The fact that we have got rid of our best strikers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 At one point Van Der Waals says: “Jan is a great trainer. He has proven at Helmond Sport what he can do with limited means. No-one here realizes that. I should know, because I have defined the strategy inside this club together with the chairman” --------- The writer goes on to say that Van Der Waals is a great admirer of Poortvliet, but an even greater admirer of himself. ------------- He describes a scene where Van Der Waals walks on to the training field, takes a ball and starts to kick the ball around, showing of to others, saying "look how good I am". The writer continues: “He seems to irritate a lot of people on the field, but strangely enough nobody says anything, not even Wotte” ---------- There is also a scene described when Ru**rt walks onto the training pitch, and is willing to give a brief interview. The interview is immediately cut short however when he is asked about Van Der Waal’s role. Ru**rt says; “he is our advisor”, then turns and walks away. -------------------- One other scene is described where the coaching staff has a meeting with Ru**rt about the situation with our forwards. Van Der Waals is in that meeting too. After the very loud “screaming match” that the meeting was, Van Der Waals tells the reporter that he told Jan not to give any more interviews! I'm so glad people have done some digging on this, so thanks everyone. Given some of the bits in bold, I'm not that surprised that the Club is in turmoil. We would appear to have a DOF on board, yet no one knows who he is:rolleyes: Obviously some of the bits are the writer's impression, but I'm sure he hasn't got an axe to grind. There's also some quotes in that need explaining from someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I just received the article. It is pretty big mess in terms of format as well as content, and almost untranslatable, but here is a brief overview and some translated snippets: ----------- The whole thing seems to be a “day in the life of Poortvliet” kind of article, where they describe the various things that happen in Jan’s life at Saints. Van Der Waals describes himself as “a nobody” in the article and Ru**rt describes him only as “our adviser”. ---------- Wotte is quoted as saying that when he first came here he was shocked at the player’s salaries, and that the previous management brought the club to the edge of the abyss. ----------- Every time the writer describes the scene at the trainings facilities he also describes Van Der Waals as sitting at the trainer’s table. At one point Van Der Waals says: “Jan is a great trainer. He has proven at Helmond Sport what he can do with limited means. No-one here realizes that. I should know, because I have defined the strategy inside this club together with the chairman” --------- The writer goes on to say that Van Der Waals is a great admirer of Poortvliet, but an even greater admirer of himself. ------------- He describes a scene where Van Der Waals walks on to the training field, takes a ball and starts to kick the ball around, showing of to others, saying "look how good I am". The writer continues: “He seems to irritate a lot of people on the field, but strangely enough nobody says anything, not even Wotte” ---------- Wotte is, according to the article, referred to by everyone, including the players, as Mr. Chocolate, after a figure from a TV commercial. The slogan to go with that is “The man who likes himself so much he could eat himself” ------------- There is also a scene described when Ru**rt walks onto the training pitch, and is willing to give a brief interview. The interview is immediately cut short however when he is asked about Van Der Waal’s role. Ru**rt says; “he is our advisor”, then turns and walks away. -------------------- One other scene is described where the coaching staff has a meeting with Ru**rt about the situation with our forwards. Van Der Waals is in that meeting too. After the very loud “screaming match” that the meeting was, Van Der Waals tells the reporter that he told Jan not to give any more interviews! Do we know who wrote this? Its pretty damning if true. Waals = Lowe's rotweiler. This is really quite scarey... would certainly explain why our team is so disjointed and misled and has such low morale. This is very very worrying. Surely this has to be rubbish... even I dont believe we could be operating in such a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting add-on to this: My brother is a professional football scout in Holland, and I asked him about Van Der Waals. Here is his answer: "I happened to see this article a few weeks ago in Voetbal International. The common thread throughout the article was this vague figure of Kim Van Der Waals. Bottom line is that nobody in the football world here (Holland) knows of him, what he does, or has done, or even who he is. It seems that one day he walked into SFC out of nowhere and became extremely close to your chairman. I hear he is impossible to work with and even harder to get out, due to his protection from Lowe. His added value is ZERO. This is exactly what I have heard about the guy from the Dutch Saints too nobody knows anything about him, they have been trying to find out something about him since the article appeared but have come up with nothing. As you say it seems he has just walked into SFC one day and is now Ruperts right hand man so it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 So what does advise on? So him and Lowe have defined the strategy? So what is that? Youth? MMMM Sounds a bit like Michael Knighton Whats to keep it stum? The fact that we have got rid of our best strikers? The article provides no answers to any of that. It paints Poortvliet as a very nice guy with good intentions, but "maybe not the best manager in the Championship", and as being in a very difficult situation. Mostly the article mocks Van Der Waals and wonders about his powers inside the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Somebody once remarked that if Graeme Souness were a chocolate drop he'd eat himself (may have been WGS, and certainly does sound like his style!). The 'chocolate man' references here sound remarkably similar - though it's harder to see what Wotte's ever done to think so highly of himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Interesting add-on to this: My brother is a professional football scout in Holland, and I asked him about Van Der Waals. Here is his answer: "I happened to see this article a few weeks ago in Voetbal International. The common thread throughout the article was this vague figure of Kim Van Der Waals. Bottom line is that nobody in the football world here (Holland) knows of him, what he does, or has done, or even who he is. It seems that one day he walked into SFC out of nowhere and became extremely close to your chairman. I hear he is impossible to work with and even harder to get out, due to his protection from Lowe. His added value is ZERO. Lowe, duped by a footballing conman? Surely some mistake? Your take on this situation Mr Simon Clifford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 The article provides no answers to any of that. It paints Poortvliet as a very nice guy with good intentions, but "maybe not the best manager in the Championship", and as being in a very difficult situation. Mostly the article mocks Van Der Waals and wonders about his powers inside the club. Out of interest when did he arrive? Was it about the same time we started to rapidly fall into the relegation zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 This is exactly what I have heard about the guy from the Dutch Saints too nobody knows anything about him, they have been trying to find out something about him since the article appeared but have come up with nothing. As you say it seems he has just walked into SFC one day and is now Ruperts right hand man so it appears. MMMM Ali Dia anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Kim doesnt sound a very nice guy wonder if he is behind Hockaday being on gardening leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Kim doesnt sound a very nice guy wonder if he is behind Hockaday being on gardening leave. Interesting point. I think we have unearthed something here. Well done everyone... now mods, anything to add? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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