What Is Happening To Our Country?

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

You’re correct in what you are saying.......

Not sure why Osvaldorama thought it was funny.

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

However, now the Home Office knows about him, it is refusal and straight out. No appeals process neccessary as he’s already got the French conviction of over 12 months on record. 

You would hope so.

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Not sure why Osvaldorama thought it was funny.

Who on earth knows why - not even sure he does. 

As for the smuggler, get a police van and Home Office out to Leicestershire tonight (if he hasn’t gone to ground), cuff him for the UK offences he’s committed since he snuck in, and the Home Office can tell him his asylum outcome on the way to the airport on a one way trip. His expensive lawyer will go nuts but there’s nothing he can do about it.

And if the authorities say it can’t happen that quick, some of my family are ex-police and it can and has happened like that. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[aintforever]

AI’s take on it:

Following Brexit, the UK permanently lost real-time access to the Second Generation Schengen Information System (SIS II). This database contains millions of alerts on criminals, missing persons, and suspected terrorists. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The primary effects on UK law enforcement and border security include:

• Loss of Real-Time Intelligence: UK police and border forces no longer receive instantaneous alerts, as they did prior to the UK's exit. Instead of checking a single database, the UK has had to rely on the Interpol I-24/7 network. [1, 2]
• Database Delays: Because of the loss of SIS II, EU countries are required to upload critical information twice: once into SIS II and once into Interpol. If EU authorities fail to perform this extra step, criminals can cross borders into the UK entirely undetected. [1, 2]
• Sluggish Investigations: While the UK secured automated exchanges for DNA, fingerprints, and vehicle registration through the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement, the inability to track foreign fighters and wanted suspects in real-time has been highlighted by the UK Parliament Justice and Home Affairs Committee as a major operational decline. [1, 2, 3]
• Future Systems: The UK government has been actively developing the International Law Enforcement Alerts Platform (I-LEAP) to speed up Interpol information retrieval, though UK Parliament Committeesreport that finding a substitute for the speed of SIS II remains challenging. [1, 2]

You can read the full House of Lords Committee Findings or explore the UK in a Changing Europe analysis for more detailed operational statistics. [1, 2]

 

Well done Nige 👏👏👏👏

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

But they do not have "diirect, real time access to Interpol's global criminal databases.... ".

You'll have to argue that with Interpol as they claim they do...

https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Databases

National police can search our databases in real time as part of their investigations.

[ecuk268]

4 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Free home, 300£ a week in benefits, private security guards patrol the neighborhood 24/7 because the asylum seekers “don’t feel safe”.
 

Where do you get £300 per week from?

Edited 21 hours ago by ecuk268

[badgerx16]

33 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You'll have to argue that with Interpol as they claim they do...

https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Databases

National police can search our databases in real time as part of their investigations.

According to this, ( https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/home-office-major-programmes-accounting-officer-assessments/international-law-enforcement-alerts-platform-i-leap-programme ), the I-LEAP program was instigated to make access to Interpol databases easier post Brexit because we lost access to SIS2 and ECRIS  These Interpol systems are not as comprehensive as the services we have lost. From that document it does not seem that the Interpol systems actually hold the same level of criminal records data that ECRIS does, rather it holds specific details on individuals "of interest" ;

From the Interpol website.......

"Operational databases for first-line checks

    Travel and identity documents reported as stolen, lost, revoked, invalid or stolen blank;
    Notices – INTERPOL’s colour-coded system of international alerts or requests for cooperation;
    Nominal data – personal data and the criminal history of individuals subject to a request for     cooperation;
    Travel documents associated with notices;
    Stolen motor vehicles and identifiable spare parts;
    Stolen vessels and engines;
    iARMS – illicit firearms. "

 

Edited 21 hours ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

Good https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4807pn9lo

[The Kraken]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Complete & utter bollocks. Number one, you think the UK would have grown substantially more than any other EU economy had we remained in Number 2, Nigel wasn’t even an MP let alone PM or chancellor. Whatever happened to the UK economy is down to the Government. Brexit wasn’t an alternative Government, Brexit didn’t have a manifesto, it was just leaving the EU, what happened after that is down to the UK Government. George Galloway’s version of Brexit was entirely different to IDS’ . Nigel’s different than Boris’. The fact you still don’t get it, indicates exactly why your side  lost. You just don’t understand, it wasn’t a financial transaction, it was a fundimental principle of accountability .

Had Corbyn won in 2017, the country would look totally different than it does now, but people like you would still be banging on about “Brexit” when in fact it would be decisions Corbyn made which would have changed the country . When Burnham  faces the inevitable debt crisis, it will be because of decisions The Labour Government have made, not because people thought too much sovereignty was “shared” prior to 2016. 

This is such pitiful bollocks. Again.

Shameless prat.

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

According to this, ( https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/home-office-major-programmes-accounting-officer-assessments/international-law-enforcement-alerts-platform-i-leap-programme ), the I-LEAP program was instigated to make access to Interpol databases easier post Brexit because we lost access to SIS2 and ECRIS  These Interpol systems are not as comprehensive as the services we have lost. From that document it does not seem that the Interpol systems actually hold the same level of criminal records data that ECRIS does, rather it holds specific details on individuals "of interest" ;

From the Interpol website.......

"Operational databases for first-line checks

    Travel and identity documents reported as stolen, lost, revoked, invalid or stolen blank;
    Notices – INTERPOL’s colour-coded system of international alerts or requests for cooperation;
    Nominal data – personal data and the criminal history of individuals subject to a request for     cooperation;
    Travel documents associated with notices;
    Stolen motor vehicles and identifiable spare parts;
    Stolen vessels and engines;
    iARMS – illicit firearms. "

 

Surely that's all they needed for this particular person?

Unless of course he's completed outwitted the entire Border Force and Immigration System by changing his second name, in which case I don't think Europe pre Brexit would have helped us.

[egg]

Nice to see that those lads who were given a slap on the wrists for those rapes of the two girls have been given custodial sentences on appeal. Horrible little bastards. 

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

Nice to see that those lads who were given a slap on the wrists for those rapes of the two girls have been given custodial sentences on appeal. Horrible little bastards. 

Still not long enough.

If they were immigrants they'd have got far longer - bloody two tier justice.

Edited 11 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[tdmickey3]

10 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

Where do you get £300 per week from?

Tiktok

[tdmickey3]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Complete & utter bollocks. Number one, you think the UK would have grown substantially more than any other EU economy had we remained in Number 2, Nigel wasn’t even an MP let alone PM or chancellor. Whatever happened to the UK economy is down to the Government. Brexit wasn’t an alternative Government, Brexit didn’t have a manifesto, it was just leaving the EU, what happened after that is down to the UK Government. George Galloway’s version of Brexit was entirely different to IDS’ . Nigel’s different than Boris’. The fact you still don’t get it, indicates exactly why your side  lost. You just don’t understand, it wasn’t a financial transaction, it was a fundimental principle of accountability .

Had Corbyn won in 2017, the country would look totally different than it does now, but people like you would still be banging on about “Brexit” when in fact it would be decisions Corbyn made which would have changed the country . When Burnham  faces the inevitable debt crisis, it will be because of decisions The Labour Government have made, not because people thought too much sovereignty was “shared” prior to 2016. 

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Still not long enough.

If they were immigrants they'd have got far longer - bloody two tier justice.

Agreed. Disgraceful crime, and an appalling sentence at first instance.

On appeal it could have been much higher - those were 15 years ISH offences for adults, more if there was concurrent sentence for the 2 offences - so even with the 2/3 to 1/2 deduction for child perpetrators (ridiculously high imo), 4 years is still too light imo. 

[Osvaldorama]

15 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Complete & utter bollocks. Number one, you think the UK would have grown substantially more than any other EU economy had we remained in Number 2, Nigel wasn’t even an MP let alone PM or chancellor. Whatever happened to the UK economy is down to the Government. Brexit wasn’t an alternative Government, Brexit didn’t have a manifesto, it was just leaving the EU, what happened after that is down to the UK Government. George Galloway’s version of Brexit was entirely different to IDS’ . Nigel’s different than Boris’. The fact you still don’t get it, indicates exactly why your side  lost. You just don’t understand, it wasn’t a financial transaction, it was a fundimental principle of accountability .

Had Corbyn won in 2017, the country would look totally different than it does now, but people like you would still be banging on about “Brexit” when in fact it would be decisions Corbyn made which would have changed the country . When Burnham  faces the inevitable debt crisis, it will be because of decisions The Labour Government have made, not because people thought too much sovereignty was “shared” prior to 2016. 

Exactly right, the whining remainers have been brainwashed into blaming Brexit for everything, because it’s a simple answer to a complicated, multi-decade question. “Why is Britain massively declining” 

 

As someone who runs multiple businesses… socialist bollocks, high taxes, net zero, soaring energy costs and currency debasement have affected us way, way more than Brexit.
Brexit could have been an amazing opportunity but our “politicians” squandered it completely. 
 

Edited 9 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[revolution saint]

Oh great, the wrong type of brexit.  Anything that puts barriers to 50% of your trade was always going to be detrimental.  There's no version of Brexit that would have avoided that.  Besides which, it wasn't really about the money anyway, was it?  Or was it?  I've lost track now. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Agreed. Disgraceful crime, and an appalling sentence at first instance.

On appeal it could have been much higher - those were 15 years ISH offences for adults, more if there was concurrent sentence for the 2 offences - so even with the 2/3 to 1/2 deduction for child perpetrators (ridiculously high imo), 4 years is still too light imo. 

Agreed, the boys committed an adult offence, one of the most serious, and will remain a danger for quite some time, if they ever aren’t frankly. The judicial system needs to firm up around this aspect.

As for the original judge, this is why there needs to be a retirement age of 65, perhaps up to 70 for exceptional judiciary, because we can’t have doddery old men sitting on important cases like this who can’t keep up with social change. And yes, I’ll probably be one of those at some stage!

Edited 9 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

Exactly right, the whining remainers have been brainwashed into blaming Brexit for everything, because it’s a simple answer to a complicated, multi-decade question. “Why is Britain massively declining” 

 

As someone who runs multiple businesses… socialist bollocks, high taxes, net zero, soaring energy costs and currency debasement have affected us way, way more than Brexit.
Brexit could have been an amazing opportunity but our “politicians” squandered it completely. 
 

Yes it is more complicated than simply blaming Brexit for everything, but which of the promised gains pledged by Boris and co have actually been delivered  to offset the obvious negative impacts ?

Brexit is directly responsible for the Police losing access to ECRIS and SIS2, Brexit is directly responsible for the queues at European airports, Brexit lost a part of our trade with the EU, by far our largest trading partner, and is the cause of the additional "red tape" that is now encountered when trading with the EU.

 

Just to be clear, although I voted remain, after the result I posted on here that I thought it was a mistake, that the promises would not materialise, but that we had to accept it and make the best of it. It is that last bit that has clearly not been achieved, and I don't know if anybody has any idea as to how to do so.

Edited 8 hours ago by badgerx16

[egg]

58 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Exactly right, the whining remainers have been brainwashed into blaming Brexit for everything, because it’s a simple answer to a complicated, multi-decade question. “Why is Britain massively declining” 

 

As someone who runs multiple businesses… socialist bollocks, high taxes, net zero, soaring energy costs and currency debasement have affected us way, way more than Brexit.
Brexit could have been an amazing opportunity but our “politicians” squandered it completely. 
 

I think both are true.

Brexit has undoubtedly robbed us of trade and caused other issues. I also don't see that the opportunity was there to gain as you imply - what opportunities were lost by poor political decisions? 

However, it's also the case that we have regressed in many ways for non Brexit related reasons.

 

[egg]

45 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Agreed, the boys committed an adult offence, one of the most serious, and will remain a danger for quite some time, if they ever aren’t frankly. The judicial system needs to firm up around this aspect.

As for the original judge, this is why there needs to be a retirement age of 65, perhaps up to 70 for exceptional judiciary, because we can’t have doddery old men sitting on important cases like this who can’t keep up with social change. And yes, I’ll probably be one of those at some stage!

Yep, although I don't agree re the Judiciary. Recruitment is very difficult - a life at the bar, or solicitor partnership, makes a judicial salary of limited appeal. That means they often attract folk only capable of earning at a lower level, usually crap or young, or those who've done their time, banked a few quid, and want an easier life. Those people are normally less than youthful, and when appointed, will stick around for a while to accrue some pension. 

Give me experience on the bench every time. Sure, mistakes happen, but thankfully that's usually at a lower level and can be rectifiable. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I think both are true.

Brexit has undoubtedly robbed us of trade and caused other issues. I also don't see that the opportunity was there to gain as you imply - what opportunities were lost by poor political decisions? 

However, it's also the case that we have regressed in many ways for non Brexit related reasons.

 

One of the opportunities might have been a blockbuster trade deal with India, but as May found out that would’ve meant large scale freedom of movement from Modhi’s perspective which would have been unacceptable to most Brexiteers.

The US bumper trade deal was never on the table, certainly not with an America First MAGA nor with the Democrats really.

Look at the state of the Australia deal - UK farmers lost out on that big time (you’d think they’d learn their lesson…). 

The biggest trade deal and market by far was the one we were already in on the single market discount rate Thatcher negotiated at her peak before the early onset kicked in later in the 1980s. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep, although I don't agree re the Judiciary. Recruitment is very difficult - a life at the bar, or solicitor partnership, makes a judicial salary of limited appeal. That means they often attract folk only capable of earning at a lower level, usually crap or young, or those who've done their time, banked a few quid, and want an easier life. Those people are normally less than youthful, and when appointed, will stick around for a while to accrue some pension. 

Give me experience on the bench every time. Sure, mistakes happen, but thankfully that's usually at a lower level and can be rectifiable. 

I see your point and it makes sense, and an independent judiciary is a key part of democracy. But that was a shocker, it’s the worst recently but far from the only out of touch/soft sentence that’s had to be overturned in rapid order. 

[Challenger]

Was talking to old Ernie down the battlecruiser regarding these lads, he suggested chopping their balls off.

Edited 8 hours ago by Challenger

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Was talking to old Ernie down the battlecruser regarding these lads, he suggested chopping their balls off.

Relatives of the victims, a knife, a soundproof room, and no questions asked.

[egg]

50 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

One of the opportunities might have been a blockbuster trade deal with India, but as May found out that would’ve meant large scale freedom of movement from Modhi’s perspective which would have been unacceptable to most Brexiteers.

The US bumper trade deal was never on the table, certainly not with an America First MAGA nor with the Democrats really.

Look at the state of the Australia deal - UK farmers lost out on that big time (you’d think they’d learn their lesson…). 

The biggest trade deal and market by far was the one we were already in on the single market discount rate Thatcher negotiated at her peak before the early onset kicked in later in the 1980s. 

Agreed. On any assessment, we have minimal negotiating power alone in comparison to the EU. From the outset, we were weaker. 

[Gloucester Saint]

8 minutes ago, egg said:

Agreed. On any assessment, we have minimal negotiating power alone in comparison to the EU. From the outset, we were weaker. 

The word long-term Brexiteers (not the people who turned up in June 2016 to vote, I mean the ERG/UKIP/old Labour left) have never understood, from the ones in my life I suspect coming from a position of English exceptionalism in some cases, is reciprocity. It’s a fundamental aspect of any trade negotiations and although May botched the initial Brexit mechanisms, she did at least understand this and had no hand to play after the 2017 GE. Even if a larger US deal was ever in the offing (it wasn’t), UK already had redlines around food standards and the NHS which would be unpalatable to the overwhelming majority of the public to waive. And it wound up large Commonwealth players such as India for obvious reasons, another deal which might have moved the dial. 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

Fuck off you cunt https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3wy26p5lexo

PS - if there’s an option to increase his sentence, do it. Ellie Reeves has appealed it for being too soft already.

Rot in hell you little shit.