What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Of course I want less immigration. A majority of the British people want that too. More of particular types of people will equal a higher rate of crime. Not difficult to understand but I'm fine with you tapping out.

A majority also want a free at the point of entry health service, social care at affordable levels for their folks and to have a state pension if they’re not already OAPs when they get there. Reduce legal migration further and with an ageing population that become impossible in the near future.

So they need to decide what’s most important.

Having blown several % off the economy witn Brexit from the same part of the electorate, their margin for further error is small.

Asylum is where most of us agree there needs to be further reductions.

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[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

A majority also want a free at the point of entry health service, social care at affordable levels for their folks and to have a state pension if they’re not already OAPs when they get there. Reduce legal migration further and with an ageing population that become impossible in the near future.

So they need to decide what’s most important.

Having blown several % off the economy witn Brexit from the same part of the electorate, their margin for further error is small.

I can't speak for others but I am pro immigration and pro controlled immigration as a priority.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I can't speak for others but I am pro immigration and pro controlled immigration as a priority.

Fair enough. As long as enough of the population realise and acknowledge the trade offs needed.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Fair enough. As long as enough of the population realise and acknowledge the trade offs needed.

I believe there is much we can do on a policy level in order to reduce (though not eliminate) our reliance on unskilled immigration from abroad. The first thing I would do is stop all benefits to anyone who isn't a British citizen. I also believe that if we were much stricter and quicker about removing people who shouldn't be here then the general public would be on average more welcoming of the immigrants who are grateful to be here, seizing opportunities presented to them and being a benefit to the country. 

[ecuk268]

4 hours ago, whelk said:

The northern Irish have always loved a balaclava and a riot 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I believe there is much we can do on a policy level in order to reduce (though not eliminate) our reliance on unskilled immigration from abroad. The first thing I would do is stop all benefits to anyone who isn't a British citizen. I also believe that if we were much stricter and quicker about removing people who shouldn't be here then the general public would be on average more welcoming of the immigrants who are grateful to be here, seizing opportunities presented to them and being a benefit to the country. 

Firmly in agreement on the second point. This is where far more volume of tribunals and less judges chairing asylum appeals is inevitable.

On the first point, someone can come here for a skilled job, be sponsored to come and the firm either goes pop for reasons none of their making or gets taken over. I’d be uncomfortable if they didn’t have a bit of bridge/safety net until the next role which they should secure with the skills they came in on. Time limited to some extent but if they’re homeless at the end of the month that’s going into America territory.

We need to re-skill our own NEETs but it takes time, a lot of coaching and investment, and there needs to be semi-stable jobs to go into. It might help ease some of the resentment though for their parents/grandparents. 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

 

Doesn’t take a lot with the hardest core bits of the UDF or dissident Republicans.

Change from Guinness to Murphy’s (which I actually prefer) being served in their local pub is probably sufficient for two full days of rioting, and 3 burned out buses. 

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[Saint_clark]

26 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Fair enough. As long as enough of the population realise and acknowledge the trade offs needed.

Large scale alterations to the cultural outlook of the country is not a necessary sacrifice anywhere else in the world, so shouldn't be here. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Large scale alterations to the cultural outlook of the country is not a necessary sacrifice anywhere else in the world, so shouldn't be here. 

Depends who is coming in. Many churches are only still open due to Polish and Nigerian incomers for work.

And most parts of the world, certainly Europe, haven’t flogged off most if not all of their essential infrastructure and failed to translate their oil boom into a sovereign fund like Norway. Add in the debts, Brexit economic impact and yes, sacrifices and compromises are necessary if we are to have a comprehensive health system, better social care and financial provision still when we’re older.

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Incomers

[Gloucester Saint]

The water companies are a disaster. Thames is bad enough but South West Water is another level of criminal. The water bills are eyewatering in Devon and Cornwall for supposedly keeping the beaches clean. And there was the Brixham poisoning incident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2d8krmgj9o

 

[hypochondriac]

49 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Firmly in agreement on the second point. This is where far more volume of tribunals and less judges chairing asylum appeals is inevitable.

On the first point, someone can come here for a skilled job, be sponsored to come and the firm either goes pop for reasons none of their making or gets taken over. I’d be uncomfortable if they didn’t have a bit of bridge/safety net until the next role which they should secure with the skills they came in on. Time limited to some extent but if they’re homeless at the end of the month that’s going into America territory.

We need to re-skill our own NEETs but it takes time, a lot of coaching and investment, and there needs to be semi-stable jobs to go into. It might help ease some of the resentment though for their parents/grandparents. 

 

Agree with that. I'd be happy to have time limited benefits in certain limited circumstances like you describe. It would remove them as an incentive then.