What Is Happening To Our Country?

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

Perception is reality to some 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Turkish said:

The far right are the problem has often been said 

but everyone who isn’t far left is far right in some people’s eyes 

I honestly believe that a large proportion of the so called far right are just working class or largely non political people who are unhappy with the rate of immigration and the problems it has caused in their communities. If this was attempted to be dealt with effectively then it wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is. Successive governments don't want to do that though they would rather lock up the people doing the protesting (along with the idiots doing burning, violence etc).

[iansums]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I honestly believe that a large proportion of the so called far right are just working class or largely non political people who are unhappy with the rate of immigration and the problems it has caused in their communities. If this was attempted to be dealt with effectively then it wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is. Successive governments don't want to do that though they would rather lock up the people doing the protesting (along with the idiots doing burning, violence etc).

Apparently I'm far right................and so is my wife.

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6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I agree but tbf not doing those things hasn't really addressed the issue either. You do rather get the impression that if the issue was actively being addressed more effectively then these riots wouldn't really be a thing and certainly not on this scale. It is true to say that decades of the electorate asking successive governments to do something about immigration that is then ignored or the rate accelerated has made the scale of discontent and this the likelihood of disorder much more likely.

I get all of that. There's no easy solution, and the fact that isolated (but appalling) incidents are sending people over the edge, tells a story. That said, the Southampton protests were not about stopping immigration: it started with shouts of "get them out", so directed at people already here, and the Belfast protests saw the homes of settled black people being targeted.

Immigration is a factor, but just one - the judge in Southampton crown court today nailed when he said "This violence was hate crime, borne out of hatred of the police and in some cases racist views,"

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2 minutes ago, iansums said:

Apparently I'm far right................and so is my wife.

The interesting thing is I don't think anyone on here has labelled you. I recall you doing it to yourself on occasions, including self describing yourself as islamophobic or similar - apologies If I remembered the wrong word that you sued. You don't strike me as that though and your views generally don't present as extreme. 

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9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I honestly believe that a large proportion of the so called far right are just working class or largely non political people who are unhappy with the rate of immigration and the problems it has caused in their communities. If this was attempted to be dealt with effectively then it wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is. Successive governments don't want to do that though they would rather lock up the people doing the protesting (along with the idiots doing burning, violence etc).

I was with you until the last bit. There's no "rather" about dealing with violent protestors, but a necessity. 

[sockeye]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

This violence was hate crime, borne out of hatred of the police

I dont think being police should be a protected characteristic and this statement rings alarm bells in my head, like it’s unjustified to hate the police when they drop shocker after shocker and are symptomatic of a general institutional failing in this country

that said I dont like the violence

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I honestly believe that a large proportion of the so called far right are just working class or largely non political people who are unhappy with the rate of immigration and the problems it has caused in their communities. If this was attempted to be dealt with effectively then it wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is. Successive governments don't want to do that though they would rather lock up the people doing the protesting (along with the idiots doing burning, violence etc).

Not sure that stands up to objective scrutiny https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yz9pvvwg9t

They’ll boot them out on the day of release but the HO won’t show its hand in advance to the activists and lawyers.

The people protesting and being arrested/jailed are doing so violently, people aren’t being arrested for banners, chanting unless clearly racist, and lobbying. They’re being arrested for inciting arson attacks on hotels, attacking police officers, setting fire to innocent people’s houses, smashing windows, torching cars, and attacking black and other minority UK-born taxpayers who have nothing whatsoever to do with the original incident.

Hell, even the GOP won’t let Trump have his restorative justice fund for the January 6 yobs who attacked police officers. 

As a final killer point, the people who carried out similar violence in 2011 who were from minority backgrounds received very similar sentences to those being handed out recently from Southampton, Southport, and no doubt Glasgow. Belfast might be a different magnitude.

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[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, iansums said:

Apparently I'm far right................and so is my wife.

I don’t think you are.

Shouldn't be allowed to vote though 😉

[iansums]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

The interesting thing is I don't think anyone on here has labelled you. I recall you doing it to yourself on occasions, including self describing yourself as islamophobic or similar - apologies If I remembered the wrong word that you sued. You don't strike me as that though and your views generally don't present as extreme. 

Kind words mate, thank you. Just my self-deprecating humour, I don't consider myself far right either. I think all of us bar one or two extreme posters actually hold very similar views. I just find all of this incredibly sad really.

[Turkish]

Just now, iansums said:

Kind words mate, thank you. Just my self-deprecating humour, I don't consider myself far right either. I think all of us bar one or two extreme posters actually hold very similar views. I just find all of this incredibly sad really.

I dont even know why you're still posting on this thread tbh fella

[iansums]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I don’t think you are.

Shouldn't be allowed to vote though 😉

What about the wife?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

What about the wife?

tainted by your right wing views. No.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

What about the wife?

I’ll consult with relevant authorities in Romney Marsh and let you know.

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21 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I dont think being police should be a protected characteristic and this statement rings alarm bells in my head, like it’s unjustified to hate the police when they drop shocker after shocker and are symptomatic of a general institutional failing in this country

that said I dont like the violence

I prefer the judge's approach. The police should be protected from violence. Dislike them, sure, hate them if you must, but acting on that with abuse or violence has no place. 

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19 minutes ago, iansums said:

Kind words mate, thank you. Just my self-deprecating humour, I don't consider myself far right either. I think all of us bar one or two extreme posters actually hold very similar views. I just find all of this incredibly sad really.

I agree that most of us are actually on the same page, albeit we come at it from different angels. And yep, it's incredibly sad, and it's hard to envisage a cheery ending. 

[badgerx16]

Masked men in Belfast are stopping NHS staff on their way to work and demanding to be shown their NHS credentials.

[badgerx16]

Justifiable reaction to the attempted beheading ? A local resident standing in front of his burned out house.

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[badgerx16]

One of the rioters from the Novak protest appearing in Court....

"He said he was not a racist, was "angry in the moment and lost himself" and said he has two children with a third on the way, the barrister says.

Crawford has 19 convictions for 33 offences including battery, robbery, burglary and shoplifting.

On one occasion, he broke a partner's front teeth, punched her unconscious and when she woke up told her he had put bleach in her hair, the court is told."