Israel

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Don’t know why he lies about it, he’s been caught consistently using antisemitic tropes and language since well before 7/10, it’s all written down. Shameless.

Correct. On the Corbyn thread & unbelievably on this one, 3 months before the Hamas pogrom of 7/10. He’s anti semitic, it’s as simple as that….
 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Correct. On the Corbyn thread & unbelievably on this one, 3 months before the Hamas pogrom of 7/10. He’s anti semitic, it’s as simple as that….
 

 

But someone once took the piss out of his accent so it's fair game.

[east-stand-nic]

why, why is no one capable of seeing through political brainwashing. All those amazingly think clever people who think they know. OMG

[hypochondriac]

On 20/05/2025 at 08:49, Farmer Saint said:

14,000 babies could die in the next 48 hours...

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq8037dd3p9t

UN tells BBC 14,000 babies could die in Gaza in next 48 hours without urgent aid - BBC News

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

42 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

why, why is no one capable of seeing through political brainwashing. All those amazingly think clever people who think they know. OMG

Is this a cryptic brainteaser? Or a craptic brainfart?

[egg]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

 

I'm not sure what point you're making.  Surely it's indisputable that people will suffer and die without aid. 

 

[hypochondriac]

29 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm not sure what point you're making.  Surely it's indisputable that people will suffer and die without aid. 

 

I thought the point was obvious. 

[whelk]

52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Is this a cryptic brainteaser? Or a craptic brainfart?

He has seen something in the contrails. 

[egg]

28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I thought the point was obvious. 

Given your stance on this topic, no. 

[hypochondriac]

59 minutes ago, egg said:

Given your stance on this topic, no. 

See if you can try and figure it out on your own. 

[Wiggles31]

11 hours ago, whelk said:

Clearly not all opposers to what Israel are doing are antisemites. However your constant reference to not being antisemitic hold little weight as you have let it slip by your ‘clumsy language’. Still not as if you loosely call people Islamophobes eh?

I would put Wiggles in the same camp if he calls Israel ‘a fucking horrible country’

Committing crimes against humanity in my eyes does make Israel a horrible country. Much like Russia, Sudan, Myanmar, Syria and North Korea. Israel needs to stop crying antisemitism every time it’s criticised. And FYI what happened on 7th October is also despicable. My opinion has no influence on race whatsoever. 

[egg]

17 minutes ago, Wiggles31 said:

Committing crimes against humanity in my eyes does make Israel a horrible country. Much like Russia, Sudan, Myanmar, Syria and North Korea. Israel needs to stop crying antisemitism every time it’s criticised. And FYI what happened on 7th October is also despicable. My opinion has no influence on race whatsoever. 

The country, and by extension it's people, is/are not horrible. It's government and army are nasty murderous bastards though. 

[egg]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

See if you can try and figure it out on your own. 

Nope. Use actual words. I'd also appreciate your opinion on the recent ongoing action of the IDF. Do you still think they're doing the right thing? 

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Nope. Use actual words. I'd also appreciate your opinion on the recent ongoing action of the IDF. Do you still think they're doing the right thing? 

Yep. 

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

why, why is no one capable of seeing through political brainwashing. All those amazingly think clever people who think they know. OMG

Why, why are some people, who think they are amazingly clever, incapable of starting sentences with a capital letter ?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Why, why are some people, who think they are amazingly clever, incapable of starting sentences with a capital letter ?

couldn't rightly say. 🙂

[egg]

7 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Yep. 

Your stance on this issue has been pro Israeli.  I know how I interpret any article, but how you do, I'm not sure. We've also had SoG being perpetually laughed at by you for posting links without comment, so have some consistency. 

 I'd also appreciate your opinion on the recent ongoing action of the IDF. Do you still think they're doing the right thing?

 

[egg]

7 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

couldn't rightly say. 🙂

it's a non issue for me. Imagine being stupid enough to end sentences with one thougH.

[sadoldgit]

Opposition within Israel growing against Netanyahu’s conduct.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj422k1zzd9o.amp

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, egg said:

The country, and by extension it's people, is/are not horrible. It's government and army are nasty murderous bastards though. 

Clearly not all Israelis are “horrible”, but the settlers who are displacing Palestinians in the West Bank area and those who support Netanyahu and his cronies in his administration  are deeply unpleasant people. You have to wonder about countries where people allow these atrocities to happen in their name. There are decent people in Russia, North Korea, China too (and you can add the USA to the list now), but you have to wonder about countries that allow despotic regimes  to rule them. I’d have more respect for the people of these countries if they did more to change what is happening in their countries for the better.

[sadoldgit]

12 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

why, why is no one capable of seeing through political brainwashing. All those amazingly think clever people who think they know. OMG

Why, why is no one capable of seeing through conspiracy theory brainwashing nic?

As for being amazingly clever yourself, you started the sentence in lower case. You asked a question but didn’t end  the sentence with a question mark. What on earth does, ‘All those amazingly think clever people who think they know’ even mean?

OMG.

[east-stand-nic]

24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Clearly not all Israelis are “horrible”, but the settlers who are displacing Palestinians in the West Bank area and those who support Netanyahu and his cronies in his administration  are deeply unpleasant people. You have to wonder about countries where people allow these atrocities to happen in their name. There are decent people in Russia, North Korea, China too (and you can add the USA to the list now), but you have to wonder about countries that allow despotic regimes  to rule them. I’d have more respect for the people of these countries if they did more to change what is happening in their countries for the better.

Would you say the same about hamas who behead people etc?

[sadoldgit]

15 hours ago, whelk said:

Hmmmmmm

What is your issue with this? I have heard plenty of Jewish people make the same point. It acknowledges that the fact that  they have faced an enormous amount of persecution over many years, but that does not give anyone the right to do the same thing to others. I stood by the statement then, I stand by it even more now. As for loosely calling people Islamophobic, there is nothing loose about it. There are some posters in here who clearly hate Muslims. Hypocondriac is one (who can forget his classic quote, “Thank God my wife isn’t Muslim”?). He also said that all Muslims were guilty by association with terrorists because they didn’t go to the police with information (as if all Muslims know what the terrorists are planning). There is also something particularly sick about people who post laughing emojis after posts about dead Palestinian women and children.

 I seem to remember you saying that everyone in Gaza deserves what they get because they are all associated with Hamas in some way. I would argue that tarring all Muslims with the same brush is somewhat Islamophobic.

I think that most people can see a difference between murderous bastards and normal, peace loving people. It has nothing to do with race, creed or religion and everything to do with how the individuals conduct themselves towards others be they Jewish, Muslim, Christian, whatever. Do you find anything controversial in that statement?

If people want to follow a God and a certain religion, that is their business. When they use that as an excuse to persecute, kill and displace people (no matter who they are) then that is something that should not be tolerated. Would you agree?

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[egg]

47 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Clearly not all Israelis are “horrible”, but the settlers who are displacing Palestinians in the West Bank area and those who support Netanyahu and his cronies in his administration  are deeply unpleasant people. You have to wonder about countries where people allow these atrocities to happen in their name. There are decent people in Russia, North Korea, China too (and you can add the USA to the list now), but you have to wonder about countries that allow despotic regimes  to rule them. I’d have more respect for the people of these countries if they did more to change what is happening in their countries for the better.

You're conflating the Israeli government/army with the wider people. That's similar to taking the view that the innocent Gaza people deserve what they get because they once voted Hamas in. 

Sure, what the Israeli regime is doing will be in the name of many of it's people who support Zionism and/or feel that Gaza needs clearing and occupying, but not all. Similarly, there will be Gaza people who hate that Hamas behaviour has given the Israeli regime just cause in their eyes to do that. 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Clearly not all Israelis are “horrible”, but the settlers who are displacing Palestinians in the West Bank area and those who support Netanyahu and his cronies in his administration  are deeply unpleasant people. You have to wonder about countries where people allow these atrocities to happen in their name. There are decent people in Russia, North Korea, China too (and you can add the USA to the list now), but you have to wonder about countries that allow despotic regimes  to rule them. I’d have more respect for the people of these countries if they did more to change what is happening in their countries for the better.

Both the US and Israel have the Governments their democratic elections gave them. If the people there want change, the next elections will give them the opportunity; in the case of the US a handful of seats swinging to the Democrats in the mid-terms will make Trump a "lame duck" President, in the case of Israel the next GE is next year. As I have said previously, democracy is a bitch.

As for the people in Russia, China, and North Korea, I don't think the people have much choice, short of bloody revolution.

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[sadoldgit]

42 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Would you say the same about hamas who behead people etc?

Of course, and I have done so. 

Do you think that the Israeli response to the attack on 7th October is proportionate?

Do you think that beheading people with a blade is any different to blowing their bodies to bits with shells, bombs and missiles?

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Both the US and Israel have the Governments their democratic elections gave them. If the people there want change, the next elections will give them the opportunity; in the case of the US a handful of seats swinging to the Democrats in the mid-terms will make Trump a "lame duck" President, in the case of Israel the next GE is next year. As I have said previously, democracy is a bitch.

As for the people in Russia, China, and North Korea, I don't think the people have much choice, short of bloody revolution.

But what happens in the years between these elections? If Trump had his way there wouldn’t be another election anyway. Israel has elections yes, but look who is in power. In order to stay in power he is having to bend over to even farther right factions than himself. You don’t have to go as far as a bloody revolution, although I some cases would that be a bad thing? Passive resistance can force change. When the people (including the armed forces) stop doing what the governing body tell them to do, what power do they have?

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Of course, and I have done so. 

Do you think that the Israeli response to the attack on 7th October is proportionate?

Do you think that beheading people with a blade is any different to blowing their bodies to bits with shells, bombs and missiles?

Is any war proportionate? Who decides when enough is enough? 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

But what happens in the years between these elections? If Trump had his way there wouldn’t be another election anyway. Israel has elections yes, but look who is in power. In order to stay in power he is having to bend over to even farther right factions than himself. You don’t have to go as far as a bloody revolution, although I some cases would that be a bad thing? Passive resistance can force change. When the people (including the armed forces) stop doing what the governing body tell them to do, what power do they have?

1) It is not your place to pick and choose who governs another country, and how. Trump won and is now trying to do exactly what he promised, so exactly what he was elected to do. All you can do is hope that the Constitution and Supreme Court stand up to him, at least until the mid terms when a referendum on his first 2 years can be held. If not, the US is a politically deeply divided country, and it is entirely conceiveable that somewhere like California would try to secede from the Union rather than be forced to follow Project 2025. Remember, there is no way that Trump has the power to amend the Constitution as he lacks both the numbers in Congress or the control of State Legislatures.

2) In Israel's case, just trust that Netanyahu's desperate lurch to the right to cling onto power is writing his political obituary.

3) Bloody revolutions rarely result in the emergence of stable successor regimes. Can you imagine such a thing occurring in Russia or China, and the chaos and destruction that would ensue ? As you say, passive resistance can create change, but this is a gradual process. In the case of Russia, what should be considered is what comes after Putin. For China and NK things are much more difficult due to the central power structure - such regimes are more likely to be overthrown by coup d'etat rather than popular uprising.

 

 

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[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Clearly not all Israelis are “horrible”, but the settlers who are displacing Palestinians in the West Bank area and those who support Netanyahu and his cronies in his administration  are deeply unpleasant people. You have to wonder about countries where people allow these atrocities to happen in their name. There are decent people in Russia, North Korea, China too (and you can add the USA to the list now), but you have to wonder about countries that allow despotic regimes  to rule them. I’d have more respect for the people of these countries if they did more to change what is happening in their countries for the better.

Like Gaza?

[egg]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Is any war proportionate? Who decides when enough is enough? 

America usually. And definitely this time. 

[whelk]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Do you think that beheading people with a blade is any different to blowing their bodies to bits with shells, bombs and missiles?

Yes and staggering you cannot see the difference?

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Of course, and I have done so. 

Do you think that the Israeli response to the attack on 7th October is proportionate?

Do you think that beheading people with a blade is any different to blowing their bodies to bits with shells, bombs and missiles?

There is a massive difference. Yes, the end result is the same, but the intent is very different. This is a silly line of defence.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

There is a massive difference. Yes, the end result is the same, but the intent is very different. This is a silly line of defence.

I beg to differ. I don’t think that deliberately blowing up a hospital full of injured people including women and children is any different morally. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, at least a beheading is quick and final. Being badly injured and dying slowly, buried under tons of rubble doesn’t sound great does it?

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I beg to differ. I don’t think that deliberately blowing up a hospital full of injured people including women and children is any different morally. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, at least a beheading is quick and final. Being badly injured and dying slowly, buried under tons of rubble doesn’t sound great does it?

You really are a cunt

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

You really are a cunt

For saying that it doesn’t affect the outcome if your body parts are removed by different ways? 
At least I don’t condone the death of innocent people just because they share the same religion as terrorists. Over 14,000 children killed and you don’t bat an eyelid. Some unfortunate people lose their heads and you think that is somehow worse? Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror when you start throwing obscenities about.

[iansums]

38 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I beg to differ. I don’t think that deliberately blowing up a hospital full of injured people including women and children is any different morally. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, at least a beheading is quick and final. Being badly injured and dying slowly, buried under tons of rubble doesn’t sound great does it?

Then you're equating the actions of the RAF in WW2 to the actions of Hamas on October 7th.

[sadoldgit]

If you are referring to the attack on 7th October re alleged beheadings, read this.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html

[sadoldgit]

40 minutes ago, iansums said:

Then you're equating the actions of the RAF in WW2 to the actions of Hamas on October 7th.

I am equating the deaths of innocent people with the deaths of innocent people. Are we agreed that, ideally,  innocent people should not be killed no matter what the means?

The IDF have deliberately targeted hospitals as part of their operation in Gaza. I don’t believe that the RAF deliberately targeted hospitals but stand to be corrected.

 

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[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I am equating the deaths of innocent people with the deaths of innocent people. Are we agreed that, ideally,  innocent people should not be killed no matter what the means?

The IDF have deliberately targeted hospitals as part of their operation in Gaza. I don’t believe that the RAF deliberately targeted hospitals but stand to be corrected.

 

The RAF were lucky if a bomb landed within a mile of the intended target during the heavy bomber raids on Germany, which is why they resorted to blanket bombing. Sometimes they bombed the wrong town. "Bomber" Harris's plan was the deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure so as to displace the population and disrupt Germany's war production.

( The USAAF's renowned Norden bomb sight, which it was claimed could land a bomb in a barrel, was almost as inaccurate. Several navigational errors saw the RAF and the Yanks bomb neutral Switzerland  )..

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[east-stand-nic]

22 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Of course, and I have done so. 

Do you think that the Israeli response to the attack on 7th October is proportionate?

Do you think that beheading people with a blade is any different to blowing their bodies to bits with shells, bombs and missiles?

No, you have not. Every time there is an atrocity committed by a Muslim, you berate those who are condemning it and use masses of whataboutery to try and justify it. For example, you always use the past wrongs of Christians and Catholics and say things like, 'oh, it is just Muslims that do this is it?' and other such terms. You have never once outright condemned anything they do. Any van driven into a pedestrian, any knife attack, you do NOT condemn it. You know it. We all know it. You have shown your true self to us many times and are doing it again on this very thread trying to justify beheading as no worse than XY and Z. Own it. Have the courage to accept who and what you are.

[Turkish]

43 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

No, you have not. Every time there is an atrocity committed by a Muslim, you berate those who are condemning it and use masses of whataboutery to try and justify it. For example, you always use the past wrongs of Christians and Catholics and say things like, 'oh, it is just Muslims that do this is it?' and other such terms. You have never once outright condemned anything they do. Any van driven into a pedestrian, any knife attack, you do NOT condemn it. You know it. We all know it. You have shown your true self to us many times and are doing it again on this very thread trying to justify beheading as no worse than XY and Z. Own it. Have the courage to accept who and what you are.

Id love to know what it was he did in the past. With his history of racist comments and trying so hard not to appear racist 100% he is over compensating for past behaviours 

[rallyboy]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

You have never once outright condemned anything they do. Any van driven into a pedestrian, any knife attack, you do NOT condemn it. 

I'm pretty sure that every single poster on here has condemned the October 7th attack, plus Manchester, Southport, Nice etc etc.

To suggest there are people on here who support Islamic terrorism or murder of innocents is just dramatic nonsense.

 

Talking of nonsense, do you think Netanyahu is correct when he states that Great Britain is siding with mass murderers, rapists, baby killers and kidnappers, or do you think he's a mentally-deranged war criminal who will spout any old shit to delay his own corruption trial and to postpone his inevitable appointment at the Hague?

Sensible responses only please.

Edited May 23 by rallyboy

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

No, you have not. Every time there is an atrocity committed by a Muslim, you berate those who are condemning it and use masses of whataboutery to try and justify it. For example, you always use the past wrongs of Christians and Catholics and say things like, 'oh, it is just Muslims that do this is it?' and other such terms. You have never once outright condemned anything they do. Any van driven into a pedestrian, any knife attack, you do NOT condemn it. You know it. We all know it. You have shown your true self to us many times and are doing it again on this very thread trying to justify beheading as no worse than XY and Z. Own it. Have the courage to accept who and what you are.

You really are an incredibly stupid person who reads anything that he doesn’t agree with through conspiracy theorist glasses and ignores what is in front of him if it doesn’t suit his agenda. There are plenty of references to the atrocities carried out by terrorists of any persuasion if you bothered to read them.

The point that it isn’t only Muslim terrorists who carry out atrocities seems to be list on you. Those who only post when atrocities are carried out by Muslims (or Asians) clearly have an agenda if they ignore similar actions carried out by non Muslims or non Asians. Farage, Tommy Robinson and people like you are perfect examples of people who pretend that Muslims and Asians are the enemy and are the root of all evil, ignoring the fact that most of them are no more of a threat to us all than any other normal peace loving people.

Show me where you will read about non Asian rape gangs on here. A group of them were recently sentenced in court but you wouldn’t know about it if you just read this forum. I can show you countless posts from certain people on here about Asian rape gangs. It’s almost as if one type of rape gang is worse from another isn’t it 🤔.

Have you read the news lately? A non Muslim, non Asian person drove a car into people. Read about it here? Nope. 

As you are clearly no where as bright as you would have us believe, I will spell it out for you one more time.

It is totally abhorrent for someone to drive a car into crowds of people with intent to kill no matter what race, creed or religion the perpetrator is (for avoidance of doubt all of these examples include Muslims and Asians).

It is totally abhorrent to carry out acts of terrorism against innocent people no matter what race, creed or religion the perpetrators are or the victims are (for avoidance of doubt again for your own benefit, this includes the attack by Hamas and others on 7th October).

When there is, very clearly, a one sided argument or position being put, do you think it unreasonable if other put another side of the argument?

If you read something that you don’t agree with, you post against it do you not? Why do you have so much of a problem when other people do the same? 

You, very clearly, do not have a problem with Donald Trump. You, very clearly, have a problem with Muslims. It may rattle your cage when people go into bat against Donald Trump or who try and balance the argument that most Muslims are not members of Hamas, commit terrorist atrocities or are desperate to change us all to Isamists, but, as you will find with people who are not sucked into conspiracy theories, there is prejudice and there are balanced views. 

I have said it many times on here, what happened on 7th October was abhorrent (you do understand what abhorrent means don’t you?). I have also said, many times, what Netanyahu and the IDF have done since has been even worse. I am genuinely sorry if you have a problem with that but I can’t understand why anyone would think that what has happened since to tens of thousands of other innocent people is, in any way, a proportional response.

Rape and sexual assault is abhorrent, no matter who carries it out. If someone focusses purely on Asian gangs and ignores the fact that women and girls are more likely to be sexually assaulted by family members, why would you think it unreasonable if someone tries to balance that position?

Like all conspiracy theorists, you live in a parallel universe. You believe you are brighter than others and that you alone (along with fellow conspiracy theorists) know “the truth”. You willfully misrepresent what others that you disagree with say. When I say that sexual assault is abhorrent that means  exactly that. The only place it absolves any Muslims or Asians from responsibility if they commit sexual assault is in your head.

If someone drives a car at other with intent to kill and maime, that, to me, is abhorrent. It is abhorrent to me no matter who carries it out. Guess what nic? These actions are not carried out by Muslim extremists and it really shouldn’t be an issue to pint that out should it?

You are blinkered and you are prejudiced and the people who like your posts are no different.

Taking someone’s head off is abhorrent. Removing anyone’s body parts is abhorrent. Do you honestly believe that it is worse to take someone’s head off than it is to fire missiles or bombs or shells at a hospital full on injured women and children? You do understand that, by doing the later, human beings get ripped apart or buried under tons of rubble, dying a long and painful death unless you are very lucky and are found?

I have spent far too long on this. You will continue to believe your conspiracy theories. You will continue to absolve the IDF of their murderous actions against tens of thousands of women and children because (I assume) some Muslims chop people’s heads off. Both are sick. I’ve said it before, I’ve said it now. I will say it again. If you really can’t grasp my point there is really no hope for you mate.

 

 

[sadoldgit]

21 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

I'm pretty sure that every single poster on here has condemned the October 7th attack, plus Manchester, Southport, Nice etc etc.

To suggest there are people on here who support Islamic terrorism or murder of innocents is just dramatic nonsense.

 

Talking of nonsense, do you think Netanyahu is correct when he states that Great Britain is siding with mass murderers, rapists, baby killers and kidnappers, or do you think he's a mentally-deranged war criminal who will spout any old shit to delay his own corruption trial and to postpone his inevitable appointment at the Hague?

Sensible responses only please.

Your first two paragraphs are spot on.

As for Netanyahu and his usual playing of the anti-Semite card every time he is criticised, has he forgotten that Starmer and his Jewish wife celebrate the Shabbat every Friday?

A few weeks ago we went up to London to visit a pop up shop that one of my daughters and her friends had put together. Along with some ceramics that she had made, she was also selling peace badges and badges of the Palestinian flag. She raised £360 for a Palestinian aid charity.

Later I took my wife to see the house in Herne Hill where I had grown up many years ago. In the lounge window there was a poster saying “Free Palestine”.

The bloody anti-Semites are getting everywhere!

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[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really are an incredibly stupid person who reads anything that he doesn’t agree with through conspiracy theorist glasses and ignores what is in front of him if it doesn’t suit his agenda. There are plenty of references to the atrocities carried out by terrorists of any persuasion if you bothered to read them.

The point that it isn’t only Muslim terrorists who carry out atrocities seems to be list on you. Those who only post when atrocities are carried out by Muslims (or Asians) clearly have an agenda if they ignore similar actions carried out by non Muslims or non Asians. Farage, Tommy Robinson and people like you are perfect examples of people who pretend that Muslims and Asians are the enemy and are the root of all evil, ignoring the fact that most of them are no more of a threat to us all than any other normal peace loving people.

Show me where you will read about non Asian rape gangs on here. A group of them were recently sentenced in court but you wouldn’t know about it if you just read this forum. I can show you countless posts from certain people on here about Asian rape gangs. It’s almost as if one type of rape gang is worse from another isn’t it 🤔.

Have you read the news lately? A non Muslim, non Asian person drove a car into people. Read about it here? Nope. 

As you are clearly no where as bright as you would have us believe, I will spell it out for you one more time.

It is totally abhorrent for someone to drive a car into crowds of people with intent to kill no matter what race, creed or religion the perpetrator is (for avoidance of doubt all of these examples include Muslims and Asians).

It is totally abhorrent to carry out acts of terrorism against innocent people no matter what race, creed or religion the perpetrators are or the victims are (for avoidance of doubt again for your own benefit, this includes the attack by Hamas and others on 7th October).

When there is, very clearly, a one sided argument or position being put, do you think it unreasonable if other put another side of the argument?

If you read something that you don’t agree with, you post against it do you not? Why do you have so much of a problem when other people do the same? 

You, very clearly, do not have a problem with Donald Trump. You, very clearly, have a problem with Muslims. It may rattle your cage when people go into bat against Donald Trump or who try and balance the argument that most Muslims are not members of Hamas, commit terrorist atrocities or are desperate to change us all to Isamists, but, as you will find with people who are not sucked into conspiracy theories, there is prejudice and there are balanced views. 

I have said it many times on here, what happened on 7th October was abhorrent (you do understand what abhorrent means don’t you?). I have also said, many times, what Netanyahu and the IDF have done since has been even worse. I am genuinely sorry if you have a problem with that but I can’t understand why anyone would think that what has happened since to tens of thousands of other innocent people is, in any way, a proportional response.

Rape and sexual assault is abhorrent, no matter who carries it out. If someone focusses purely on Asian gangs and ignores the fact that women and girls are more likely to be sexually assaulted by family members, why would you think it unreasonable if someone tries to balance that position?

Like all conspiracy theorists, you live in a parallel universe. You believe you are brighter than others and that you alone (along with fellow conspiracy theorists) know “the truth”. You willfully misrepresent what others that you disagree with say. When I say that sexual assault is abhorrent that means  exactly that. The only place it absolves any Muslims or Asians from responsibility if they commit sexual assault is in your head.

If someone drives a car at other with intent to kill and maime, that, to me, is abhorrent. It is abhorrent to me no matter who carries it out. Guess what nic? These actions are not carried out by Muslim extremists and it really shouldn’t be an issue to pint that out should it?

You are blinkered and you are prejudiced and the people who like your posts are no different.

Taking someone’s head off is abhorrent. Removing anyone’s body parts is abhorrent. Do you honestly believe that it is worse to take someone’s head off than it is to fire missiles or bombs or shells at a hospital full on injured women and children? You do understand that, by doing the later, human beings get ripped apart or buried under tons of rubble, dying a long and painful death unless you are very lucky and are found?

I have spent far too long on this. You will continue to believe your conspiracy theories. You will continue to absolve the IDF of their murderous actions against tens of thousands of women and children because (I assume) some Muslims chop people’s heads off. Both are sick. I’ve said it before, I’ve said it now. I will say it again. If you really can’t grasp my point there is really no hope for you mate.

 

 

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Your first two paragraphs are spot on.

As for Netanyahu and his usual playing of the anti-Semite card every time he is criticised, has he forgotten that Starmer and his Jewish wife celebrate the Shabbat every Friday?

A few weeks ago we went up to London to visit a pop up shop that one of my daughters and her friends had put together. Along with some ceramics that she had made, she was also selling peace badges and badges of the Palestinian flag. She raised £360 for a Palestinian aid charity.

Later I took my wife to see the house in Herne Hill where I had grown up many years ago. In the lounge window there was a poster saying “Free Palestine”.

The bloody anti-Semites are getting everywhere!

Herne Hill, now it all makes sense. This is why those poor little people of colour need your help. You were part of the problem!

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brixton-38-years-on_uk_5cab1840e4b047edf95cf188

 

 

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[east-stand-nic]

54 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Your first two paragraphs are spot on.

As for Netanyahu and his usual playing of the anti-Semite card every time he is criticised, has he forgotten that Starmer and his Jewish wife celebrate the Shabbat every Friday?

A few weeks ago we went up to London to visit a pop up shop that one of my daughters and her friends had put together. Along with some ceramics that she had made, she was also selling peace badges and badges of the Palestinian flag. She raised £360 for a Palestinian aid charity.

Later I took my wife to see the house in Herne Hill where I had grown up many years ago. In the lounge window there was a poster saying “Free Palestine”.

The bloody anti-Semites are getting everywhere!

But nothing for the innocent women and children killed in Israel or beheaded in the West Bank? Thank god the Red Cross are not so biased and blinkered in their cares.

Walter Mitty strikes again.

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spelling as ever coz my Asian wife is thick

[EssEffCee]

21 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I beg to differ. I don’t think that deliberately blowing up a hospital full of injured people including women and children is any different morally. Both are equally abhorrent. In fact, at least a beheading is quick and final. Being badly injured and dying slowly, buried under tons of rubble doesn’t sound great does it?

Fucking hell 😂

[sadoldgit]

29 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

Fucking hell 😂

If I was going to be killed I’d rather it was over quickly and not drawn out in agony. Wouldn’t you?

Say we were back in the Middle Ages and you had been caught fiddling with one of Henry V111’s wives. You are given a choice of being hung, drawn and quartered or beheaded. It’s a no brainer (almost literally in the latter case) surely?

 

I’d rather not be killed at all of course, but we are speaking metaphorically 😉

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