Israel

[east-stand-nic]

3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

We are all happy that everyone's involvement in this has resulted in the peace deal and that includes Trump.

You, however are such an utter moron that you try to score points on here by suggesting we want people to start dying again, what an utterly nasty piece of shit you are, you should be ashamed but I doubt you are and have proved again that you are the definition of a cunt

 

Nope. What I said it 100% true and it will be proven soon if the war restarts. And you know it. Hence you anger and sweary words. All to predictable as ever. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Nope. What I said it 100% true and it will be proven soon if the war restarts. And you know it. Hence you anger and sweary words. All to predictable as ever. 

But have you "caught him out" ?

[Turkish]

47 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But have you "caught him out" ?

Would you go as far as to say “gotcha”?

Edited Wednesday at 17:01 by Turkish

[hypochondriac]

I'm still subscribing to the theory that nic is a far left plant parachuted onto the forum to discredit people 'on his side' by playing up to the worst stereotypes. 

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Would you go as far as to say “gotcha”?

[The Kraken]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Nope. What I said it 100% true and it will be proven soon if the war restarts. And you know it. Hence you anger and sweary words. All to predictable as ever. 

Too. Not ‘to’.

Gotcha, little one.

[The Kraken]

59 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm still subscribing to the theory that nic is a far left plant parachuted onto the forum to discredit people 'on his side' by playing up to the worst stereotypes. 

Nic very much reminds me of a chap who used to post on the UI. Let’s call him “Dave”, for arguments sake. Dave was a clearly disturbed chap but used to get his kicks from having e-feuds on the internet every day. This would lead to Dave getting himself b-anned every now and again, but he’d show up soon after with a new login and just carry on with the same old nonsense. What makes him and Nic so similar is that they are both quite clearly not the brightest star in the sky, but they had a bizarre ambition of starting row after row and then crowing about how “right” they were, how they “won” every argument they entered. It’s a bizarrely sad life but the parallels between them are stark. 

Bangers and Nic, 2 peas from the same pod.

[Weston Super Saint]

35 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Too. Not ‘to’.

Gotcha, little one.

But you missed the "r" missing from "you" (before angry) so your gotcha could have been way more impressive.  Also the "it" which should have been "is".

If you're going to shoot fish in a barrel, may as well get them all...

[The Kraken]

8 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

But you missed the "r" missing from "you" (before angry) so your gotcha could have been way more impressive.  Also the "it" which should have been "is".

If you're going to shoot fish in a barrel, may as well get them all...

I feel so foolish. I assumed an intellectual colossus would only make one mistake in a short riposte. How wrong I was. Lesson learnt.

 

Edited Wednesday at 19:13 by The Kraken

[sadoldgit]

10 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

The saddest part of all this is that so many on here (though they will deny it) will be absolutely delighted if war breaks out again, just so that they can berate trump again. It is amazing how sick some people have become in their outlook and for what, to point score on a fucking forum. Hang your heads in shame.

If the killing resumes it will down to Netanyahu and or Hamas. There will always be plenty of other things to berate Trump about, not that those proudly wearing their red hats will see it. You being one of them.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Too. Not ‘to’.

Gotcha, little one.

Game set and match 

👏👏👏

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Nic very much reminds me of a chap who used to post on the UI. Let’s call him “Dave”, for arguments sake. Dave was a clearly disturbed chap but used to get his kicks from having e-feuds on the internet every day. This would lead to Dave getting himself b-anned every now and again, but he’d show up soon after with a new login and just carry on with the same old nonsense. What makes him and Nic so similar is that they are both quite clearly not the brightest star in the sky, but they had a bizarre ambition of starting row after row and then crowing about how “right” they were, how they “won” every argument they entered. It’s a bizarrely sad life but the parallels between them are stark. 

Bangers and Nic, 2 peas from the same pod.

another similarity is Dave used to post under the name Under the East. East Stand Nic, under the east……

Wonder if they both went to school with Benali too

 

[inspectorfrost]

On 12/10/2025 at 20:21, hypochondriac said:

Thanks for the response which is a better one than "I don't know."

I think you’re mixing a few different things there. Yes, Netanyahu’s handling of the war has been heavily criticised — even by many Israelis — and it’s clear that the campaign has caused immense suffering in Gaza. But that doesn’t mean there was an obvious, workable alternative that would have achieved the goals of eliminating or weakening Hamas, rescuing the hostages and making Israel safer in the short to medium term at least.

Saying “they should have gone after Hamas and protected civilians” is easy in theory, but Hamas deliberately embedded itself among civilians, used hospitals and schools, and operated from tunnels under residential areas. Any military response was always going to risk civilian casualties — tragic but that’s the brutal reality of asymmetric warfare, not necessarily evidence of genocidal intent.

As for the claim about “US mercenaries” and “shooting starving Palestinians dead for sport”, as far as I am aware those reports are disputed.  Quoting one doctor’s emotional account doesn’t make it an established fact.

I’m not defending Netanyahu personally — he’s been divisive inside Israel and may well face accountability for his leadership. But my point still stands: critics often describe what Israel shouldn’t have done, yet when pressed for a realistic plan that would have dismantled Hamas, rescued the hostages, and prevented another October 7th without significant force, I haven't seen much.

I agree there was always sadly going to be civilan casualties in any military response especially with Gaza for the reasons you describe, but the Israelis are capable of highly targeted/infiltrated attacks to weaken enemies (see the Hezbollah pager incident)

When over 80% of the people you are eliminating (according to a quick search) are civilians and aren't the enemy you claim you are targeting it is somewhere between a botched military operation and a genocide. Deliberately bombing IVF clinics, routinely denying civilians basic aid, repeatedly bombing journalists and what I've previously mentioned goes way beyond the former.

The reports about "US mercenaries" and the GHF incidents were openly being discussed in our Parliament long before our media started reporting them after the stories leaked out, Maynard's reports are a tiny snapshot into what's been independently witnessed and investigated in depth by the UN. A quick google search reveals that over 100 BBC journalists alone have called out the censorship regarding the coverage of the conflict in general.

Regarding a realistic plan doing what you describe, Trump's just produced one. He got the living hostages out in days. Israel have held thousands of Palestinian prisoners without charge/trial for many years so a potential exchange was always an option. As for dismantling Hamas, the Israeli military themselves have openly admitted this is impossible. Hamas will temporarily disarm at absolute best.

Trump's plan came around just when I suspect he knew a Russia-style cancelling job was in the works for Israel, and the subsequent regional instability caused by Israel annexing the West Bank/Gaza would cost the US far too much in the long run. 

They should have sealed the borders, and come up with a plan to surgically pick off the Hamas leadership as part of an international co-operation.

Instead it was a genocide dressed up as an armed response, before Trump decided too many people had found out and Israel were working against his interests (the bombing of Qatar was very significant).

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If the killing resumes it will down to Netanyahu and or Hamas. There will always be plenty of other things to berate Trump about, not that those proudly wearing their red hats will see it. You being one of them.

3000 years of history, racism, religious genocide, hatred, murder, kidnap and extortion simplified into Soggy's black and white world.

It's not 'if' but when....

[east-stand-nic]

14 hours ago, Turkish said:

another similarity is Dave used to post under the name Under the East. East Stand Nic, under the east……

Wonder if they both went to school with Benali too

 

U bored abusing SOG and now it's my turn? Went to school with who? Christ I am at least 3 years older than him. Get yourself together and away from fantasy land. As for my posting style, bloody hell, and you are not at all rude and abrasive are you. Jeez. Perhaps you are trying to deflect onto me for you being this other mystery poster.

PS. I still post on the Ugly. Do you? No. You were banned as someone reported you for racist remarks. FACT.

Edited Thursday at 11:35 by east-stand-nic

[east-stand-nic]

18 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm still subscribing to the theory that nic is a far left plant parachuted onto the forum to discredit people 'on his side' by playing up to the worst stereotypes. 

As you once said to me, fuck off and don't bring me into your little childish spats. 

[whelk]

Nic’s done two thirds of his daily post quota in 2 minutes, desperate to debunk his uncovering. Hilarious stuff

Edited Thursday at 11:32 by whelk

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, whelk said:

Nic’s done two thirds of his daily post quota in 2 minutes, desperate to debunk his uncovering. Hilarious stuff

Methinks he doth protest too much.

[tdmickey3]

27 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

As you once said to me, fuck off and don't bring me into your little childish spats. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

U bored abusing SOG and now it's my turn? Went to school with who? Christ I am at least 3 years older than him. Get yourself together and away from fantasy land. As for my posting style, bloody hell, and you are not at all rude and abrasive are you. Jeez. Perhaps you are trying to deflect onto me for you being this other mystery poster.

PS. I still post on the Ugly. Do you? No. You were banned as someone reported you for racist remarks. FACT.

Outed

Adios…

Edited Thursday at 12:52 by Turkish

[sadoldgit]

7 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

3000 years of history, racism, religious genocide, hatred, murder, kidnap and extortion simplified into Soggy's black and white world.

It's not 'if' but when....

I have told you before about engaging your brain when you try and have a pop at someone.

If you had you would see that I responded directly to nutty nic’s post where he said, “if war breaks out again” which is why I responded with “if.”

I have also never referred to this conflict as being “black and white” either. In fact I got a lot of flak from the usual suspects (which probably included you) when I said, just after the attack on 7th October, that there were no men in white hats and men in black hats in this conflict.

Apart from that, Trigger, you were spot on!

🤪

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have told you before about engaging your brain when you try and have a pop at someone.

If you had you would see that I responded directly to nutty nic’s post where he said, “if war breaks out again” which is why I responded with “if.”

I have also never referred to this conflict as being “black and white” either. In fact I got a lot of flak from the usual suspects (which probably included you) when I said, just after the attack on 7th October, that there were no men in white hats and men in black hats in this conflict.

Apart from that, Trigger, you were spot on!

🤪

Interesting. Yet a neutral analysis of your posts on this thread show you to be rather biased against Israel:

What suggests bias or an inclination toward a certain side

1. Framing criticism of Israel as silenced
He repeatedly claims that criticisms of Israel are suppressed by accusations of antisemitism:

> “The term is weaponised and is used to shut down criticism of Israeli actions all of the time.” 
That framing is common in debates, but it also shows a narrative that Israel (or its supporters) are unfairly defensive. That can tilt his tone.

2. Strong moral equivalences
There are moments where he draws parallels in a way that is provocative or extreme. For example:

> “I don’t think that deliberately blowing up a hospital full of injured people … is any different morally. Both are equally abhorrent.” 

While morally one might argue that all civilian deaths are abhorrent, equating different modes of violence may reflect a rhetorical strategy rather than a neutral weighing of facts.

3. Emotive, confrontational language
His exchanges sometimes use personal attacks or heated tone (“idiot”, “tell me … if you are ok … I conclude … you are something more than an idiot”). 
That suggests he’s quite invested in his viewpoint, which can sometimes hinder pure balanced discussion.

4. Frequent emphasis on Israeli wrongdoing
Over many posts, his criticism of Israel is persistent and detailed (targeting hospitals, aid denial, displacement). In contrast, while he does occasionally criticise Hamas, his criticisms of non-Israeli actors are more sparing. That imbalance in frequency is a kind of bias (emphasis bias).

5. Attribution of motive
He often asserts intent behind Israeli actions (e.g. “deliberately withheld,” “deliberate targeting,” “shut down any form of criticism”). While those claims might have support, in a balanced stance one would usually hedge more (“alleged,” “accused of,” rather than assertive). Some of his tone leans toward attributing negative motive definitely.
 

Edited Thursday at 14:08 by hypochondriac

[east-stand-nic]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Methinks he doth protest too much.

No, you are incapable of thinking.

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Outed

Adios…

Wow. If that is your idea of evidence of outing someone, I suggest you never consider a legal career. 

See you on the UI later, yes? 😁 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

No, you are incapable of thinking.

🤣

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I have told you before about engaging your brain when you try and have a pop at someone.

If you had you would see that I responded directly to nutty nic’s post where he said, “if war breaks out again” which is why I responded with “if.”

I have also never referred to this conflict as being “black and white” either. In fact I got a lot of flak from the usual suspects (which probably included you) when I said, just after the attack on 7th October, that there were no men in white hats and men in black hats in this conflict.

Apart from that, Trigger, you were spot on!

🤪

This is very good advice 

Do you remember the time when you accused me of being a narcissist for starting a thread on a topic only for it to turn out I hadn’t started the thread at all?

or that time you bumped a thread taking the piss out of Andrew Tate as evidence I was a fan of him? Even when it was pointed out to you you had made a cock of yourself you didn’t engage your brain enough to realise 

Then there was that you jumped on a thread hurling a volley of abuse saying I had a problem with women, whereas if you’d read the posts further up I was actually complimenting women.

just a few examples where engaging your brain can help you stop appearing a bigger bellend than you do without trying 

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

No, you are incapable of thinking.

Wow. If that is your idea of evidence of outing someone, I suggest you never consider a legal career. 

See you on the UI later, yes? 😁 

You didn’t manage to get it shut down then? 

Edited Thursday at 15:21 by Turkish

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

that there were no men in white hats and men in black hats in this conflict.

Are you suggesting white is good and black is bad? 

[benjii]

18 hours ago, inspectorfrost said:

I agree there was always sadly going to be civilan casualties in any military response especially with Gaza for the reasons you describe, but the Israelis are capable of highly targeted/infiltrated attacks to weaken enemies (see the Hezbollah pager incident)

When over 80% of the people you are eliminating (according to a quick search) are civilians and aren't the enemy you claim you are targeting it is somewhere between a botched military operation and a genocide. Deliberately bombing IVF clinics, routinely denying civilians basic aid, repeatedly bombing journalists and what I've previously mentioned goes way beyond the former.

The reports about "US mercenaries" and the GHF incidents were openly being discussed in our Parliament long before our media started reporting them after the stories leaked out, Maynard's reports are a tiny snapshot into what's been independently witnessed and investigated in depth by the UN. A quick google search reveals that over 100 BBC journalists alone have called out the censorship regarding the coverage of the conflict in general.

Regarding a realistic plan doing what you describe, Trump's just produced one. He got the living hostages out in days. Israel have held thousands of Palestinian prisoners without charge/trial for many years so a potential exchange was always an option. As for dismantling Hamas, the Israeli military themselves have openly admitted this is impossible. Hamas will temporarily disarm at absolute best.

Trump's plan came around just when I suspect he knew a Russia-style cancelling job was in the works for Israel, and the subsequent regional instability caused by Israel annexing the West Bank/Gaza would cost the US far too much in the long run. 

They should have sealed the borders, and come up with a plan to surgically pick off the Hamas leadership as part of an international co-operation.

Instead it was a genocide dressed up as an armed response, before Trump decided too many people had found out and Israel were working against his interests (the bombing of Qatar was very significant).

Quite.

Israel was completely out of control. Let's not forget they bombed a mediation meeting in Qatar, killing one of the Qatari hosts. Outrageous behaviour that Trump was absolutely fuming over. It made US look very weak, and will have long-term consequences for the way the Gulf countries approach defence. The Saudis have already called in their rights over Pakistan's nukes.

Israel's psychotic approach, combined with Trump's complete lack of reliability and coterie of idiots, has continued the pivot of global influence in the direction of China.

 

Edit: for the record, Biden's government was useless as well.

Edited Thursday at 16:00 by benjii

[egg]

"CNN reports that all 45 Palestinian bodies returned by Israel were delivered to Nasser Hospital with hands and legs bound in shackled. 

They came tagged with numbers — not identities. Some were blindfolded, some bore gunshot wounds, mutilated and others appeared to have been run over by tanks".

If this was the other way round, there'd be uproar. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

5 hours ago, egg said:

"CNN reports that all 45 Palestinian bodies returned by Israel were delivered to Nasser Hospital with hands and legs bound in shackled. 

They came tagged with numbers — not identities. Some were blindfolded, some bore gunshot wounds, mutilated and others appeared to have been run over by tanks".

If this was the other way round, there'd be uproar. 

I was thinking there already was, and then I realised you were talking about Palestinian bodies... this aspect has been very much kept quiet. The tank method sounds a bit Tiananmen Square.

Similar bizarre attitudes over Maccabi fans getting banned from Aston Villa following their actions in Amsterdam last year. For all the instances over the years that a team's support gets punished due to hooliganism, it's only on this occasion that both our PM and Leader of the Opposition choose to weigh in and say they should be allowed to attend regardless of their past actions. Nobody really bats an eye over bans for 'tragedy chanting' so I'm amazed at the level of support for teams from a certain country to be allowed to do it. 

[iansums]

8 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I was thinking there already was, and then I realised you were talking about Palestinian bodies... this aspect has been very much kept quiet. The tank method sounds a bit Tiananmen Square.

Similar bizarre attitudes over Maccabi fans getting banned from Aston Villa following their actions in Amsterdam last year. For all the instances over the years that a team's support gets punished due to hooliganism, it's only on this occasion that both our PM and Leader of the Opposition choose to weigh in and say they should be allowed to attend regardless of their past actions. Nobody really bats an eye over bans for 'tragedy chanting' so I'm amazed at the level of support for teams from a certain country to be allowed to do it. 

Really? Banned for their actions in Amsterdam where only 10 of the 62 arrested were Maccabi fans. Or because of the threat from the pro-Pal and Islamist community. A local Iman stated “We will not show mercy to Maccabi Tel Aviv fans travelling to Birmingham for the Aston Villa FC match.” 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

Really? Banned for their actions in Amsterdam where only 10 of the 62 arrested were Maccabi fans. Or because of the threat from the pro-Pal and Islamist community. A local Iman stated “We will not show mercy to Maccabi Tel Aviv fans travelling to Birmingham for the Aston Villa FC match.” 

That's the key for me. If the police threat assessment includes being unable to keep the away fans safe from Islamist extremists in Birmingham then that's unacceptable and the decision needs to be overturned.

[east-stand-nic]

On 16/10/2025 at 22:20, Turkish said:

You didn’t manage to get it shut down then? 

Hmm, let's see how. I still post there while you are banned. Who would want it shut down, thee or me?

Pretty clear who you are and that you are trying to deflect it. 

[Turkish]

58 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Hmm, let's see how. I still post there while you are banned. Who would want it shut down, thee or me?

Pretty clear who you are and that you are trying to deflect it. 

 

[east-stand-nic]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

Using you own words.... Outed 

[Turkish]

18 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Using you own words.... Outed 

How’s Big Chris? 

[east-stand-nic]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How’s Big Chris? 

So any chance of you answering my questions? It is apparently obvious you have confused me for someone else. But you are a bit embarrassed now and don't want to face it. Tell you what, how about we discuss this on the ugly inside? Sound fair?

[egg]

Any chance of the game of guess who being taken elsewhere please? I couldn't give a flying fuck who this Nic lad is. 

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

So any chance of you answering my questions? It is apparently obvious you have confused me for someone else. But you are a bit embarrassed now and don't want to face it. Tell you what, how about we discuss this on the ugly inside? Sound fair?

Are you saying you are not he?

[sadoldgit]

Yeah, but those pesky Muslims, eh?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-record-violent-rampages-really-banned

[egg]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yeah, but those pesky Muslims, eh?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-record-violent-rampages-really-banned

Indeed. And don't forget SoG, Israeli people can now be referred to as Jewish people if you want to support Israeli people, but in any other situation, you must distinguish. 

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yeah, but those pesky Muslims, eh?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/why-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-record-violent-rampages-really-banned

Scouring the internet on a Saturday morning to find more anti Israeli propaganda. A really unbiased view from this source you’ve found 🤦
 

 

Middle East Eye (MEE) is a United Kingdom–based media website and channel that primarily focuses on news related to the Middle East, North Africa, and the broader Muslim world. The ownership of the organisation is undisclosed. Some sources have alleged that the organisation is funded by the government of Qatar, though the organisation itself denies this.^[3][4]

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Scouring the internet on a Saturday morning to find more anti Israeli propaganda. A really unbiased view from this source you’ve found 🤦
 

 

 

Middle East Eye (MEE) is a United Kingdom–based media website and channel that primarily focuses on news related to the Middle East, North Africa, and the broader Muslim world. The ownership of the organisation is undisclosed. Some sources have alleged that the organisation is funded by the government of Qatar, though the organisation itself denies this.^[3][4]

 

The source doesn't alter that the content is factually accurate. If the Saints match day programme said that the Haifa fans were scum, with details, some fans wouldn't have it. 

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

The source doesn't alter that the content is factually accurate. If the Saints match day programme said that the Haifa fans were scum, with details, some fans wouldn't have it. 

Why not just come out and say it then, like they did with Legia Warsaw? Why pretend its for their own safety?

 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why not just come out and say it then, like they did with Legia Warsaw? Why pretend its for their own safety?

 

Dunno, can't speak for them, but I'm not sure what it's got to do with SoG. The stuff they've been filmed chanting and singing is an utter disgrace, and I can't imagine they'll have a red carpet rolled out for them anywhere.