Israel

[iansums]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

Far too early to speculate about the perpetrator though

Perhaps, but there is an image of the perpetrator now so we can be fairly confident.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, iansums said:

Perhaps, but there is an image of the perpetrator now so we can be fairly confident.

Is it an innocent looking choir boy?

[iansums]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Is it an innocent looking choir boy?

Do choir boys have beards, hold knives and have bombs strapped around their waist?

[AlexLaw76]

10 minutes ago, iansums said:

Do choir boys have beards, hold knives and have bombs strapped around their waist?

Ah, sounds like the far right at it again.

[iansums]

26 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Is it an innocent looking choir boy?

He did sing ‘Allahu Akbar’ quite beautifully 

[whelk]

54 minutes ago, iansums said:

Perhaps, but there is an image of the perpetrator now so we can be fairly confident.

It was sarcasm but obviously that would go over our resident idiot Nic

[east-stand-nic]

21 minutes ago, whelk said:

It was sarcasm but obviously that would go over our resident idiot Nic

Aw. Been shown up again have you little one. 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aw. Been shown up again have you little one. 

Is "prat" your default setting ?

[east-stand-nic]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Is "prat" your default setting ?

Aa I have caught you and many others out countless times, I would say you were the prat. 

Edited Thursday at 13:54 by east-stand-nic

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

He did sing ‘Allahu Akbar’ quite beautifully 

Better than “from the rivers to the sea” I suppose.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aw. Been shown up again have you little one. 

You really are a fucking moron ain’t ya?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aa I have caught you and many others out countless times, I would say you were the prat. 

 

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

You really are a fucking moron ain’t ya?

Yes he is. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aa I have caught you and many others out countless times, I would say you were the prat. 

List as many instances as you can find that demonstrate you catching me out.

Take as long as you need.

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, iansums said:

Horrific, this is what you get from a medieval religion. Israel has had to deal with relentless attacks for decades and you wonder why they act as they do.

If you know anything at all about the history of this conflict you will know that both sides have been killing each other for longer than decades. Given your support for Farage I am not surprised by your comments though. It’s a bit early for point scoring though isn’t it? Perhaps show a bit of respect for those who have died and have been injured and leave it a while before you start with the Islamophobia eh? We can then also talk about the tens of thousands of people from that “medieval religion” who have also lost their lives recently.

PS. The Jewish, Islamic and Christian religions all pre date medieval times.

 

 

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If you know anything at all about the history of this conflict you will know that both sides have been killing each other for longer than decades. Given your support for Farage I am not surprised by your comments though. It’s a bit early for point scoring though isn’t it? Perhaps show a bit of respect for those who have died and have been injured and leave it a while before you start with the Islamophobia eh? We can then also talk about the tens of thousands of people from that “medieval religion” who have also lost their lives recently.

PS. The Jewish, Islamic and Christian religions all pre date medieval times.

 

 

Medieval is recognised as post-Roman, so Islam is technically 'medieval'

HTH

Edited Thursday at 16:45 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

Why are these evil picks in our country? We have enough of our own problems without importing true believers of a murderous ideology. Get them out.

[AlexLaw76]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why are these evil picks in our country? We have enough of our own problems without importing true believers of a murderous ideology. Get them out.

And more are probably coming across the channel, soon followed by entire families 

[egg]

36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why are these evil picks in our country? We have enough of our own problems without importing true believers of a murderous ideology. Get them out.

We don't know whether he was born here or elsewhere. I'm not sure that his origins make any difference, it was an evil act of terrorism regardless of his place if birth. 

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aw. Been shown up again have you little one. 

 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

We don't know whether he was born here or elsewhere. I'm not sure that his origins make any difference, it was an evil act of terrorism regardless of his place if birth. 

Second generation immigrants are often more extreme than their parents- Rudakubana for example -because they romanticise where their family is from. Combine that with being inculcated in backwards and extremist ideology and it's a recipe for disaster. No one is ready to have a serious conversation about it. Too many people in this country have extremist beliefs linked to Islam and it puts communities like the jewish one at risk. I know people who take it in turns on the door guarding a synagogue. It's disgusting and it's only the followers of one ideology that are doing it. This country needs to be much much tougher on extremist Islam.

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Aa I have caught you and many others out countless times, I would say you were the prat. 

Hi DoC 👋

You can run but you cant hide. OUTED

Edited Thursday at 18:04 by Turkish

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

and it's only the followers of one ideology that are doing it

We all know this and yet still have so many drips like SOG desperate to find equivalence. 

[AlexLaw76]

Can’t wait for the next round of NHS announcements championing first cousin marriages.

 

what a weird country we are fast becoming 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, whelk said:

We all know this and yet still have so many drips like SOG desperate to find equivalence. 

Something something belt buckles 

[Turkish]

Just now, whelk said:

We all know this and yet still have so many drips like SOG desperate to find equivalence. 

SOG is desperate to be seen as a nice guy, the voice of equality etc. We all know that underneath the mask is a very nasty spiteful person.

 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

We all know this and yet still have so many drips like SOG desperate to find equivalence. 

It shouldn't need saying but there's loads of reasonable followers of Islam who integrate into the community and are generally just normal like you and me. There's also quite a lot with objectionable views about people like Jews for example or gay people. Or women. There's also another group that follow extremist Islam, have no intention of integrating, have awful extreme views, treat non Muslims with disdain or like pieces of meat and are potentially a danger to others. They shouldn't be in this country. We have failed by allowing so many here.

Edited Thursday at 18:08 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It shouldn't need saying but there's loads of reasonable followers of Islam who integrate into the community and are generally just normal like you and me. There's also quite a lot with objectionable views about people like Jews for example or gay people. Or women. There's also another group that follow extremist Islam, have no intention of integrating, have awful extreme views, treat non Muslims with disdain or like pieces of meat and are potentially a danger to others. They shouldn't be in this country. We have failed by allowing so many here.

this is the problem though. how do you tell the two apart?

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It shouldn't need saying but there's loads of reasonable followers of Islam who integrate into the community and are generally just normal like you and me. There's also quite a lot with objectionable views about people like Jews for example or gay people. Or women. There's also another group that follow extremist Islam, have no intention of integrating, have awful extreme views, treat non Muslims with disdain or like pieces of meat and are potentially a danger to others. They shouldn't be in this country. We have failed by allowing so many here.

The Batley school teacher says high

[egg]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Second generation immigrants are often more extreme than their parents- Rudakubana for example -because they romanticise where their family is from. Combine that with being inculcated in backwards and extremist ideology and it's a recipe for disaster. No one is ready to have a serious conversation about it. Too many people in this country have extremist beliefs linked to Islam and it puts communities like the jewish one at risk. I know people who take it in turns on the door guarding a synagogue. It's disgusting and it's only the followers of one ideology that are doing it. This country needs to be much much tougher on extremist Islam.

I get that, but it doesn't address the point you made. You asked why these perpetrators (this one I assume is what you mean) are here. 

If they were born here, there's your answer. If they weren't, and are here legally, there's your answer. If they're here illegally, your question is valid. 

Your "get them out" line only makes sense if you've assumed this was an illegal immigrant who could potentially be removed. That's a pretty wild assumption. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

I get that, but it doesn't address the point you made. You asked why these perpetrators (this one I assume is what you mean) are here. 

If they were born here, there's your answer. If they weren't, and are here legally, there's your answer. If they're here illegally, your question is valid. 

Your "get them out" line only makes sense if you've assumed this was an illegal immigrant who could potentially be removed. That's a pretty wild assumption. 

If someone has come here whether legally or illegally and supports an ideology that leads to the death of Jews or others or they harbour support for terror attacks then I want us to change the law if necessary and do as much as we can to get them removed. Much of this threat has been imported and like I said we have our own problems without making things much worse. Anyone who isn't already a British citizen and it can be proven supports or indulges in this sort of ideology should be removed from this country.

[iansums]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If you know anything at all about the history of this conflict you will know that both sides have been killing each other for longer than decades. Given your support for Farage I am not surprised by your comments though. It’s a bit early for point scoring though isn’t it? Perhaps show a bit of respect for those who have died and have been injured and leave it a while before you start with the Islamophobia eh? We can then also talk about the tens of thousands of people from that “medieval religion” who have also lost their lives recently.

PS. The Jewish, Islamic and Christian religions all pre date medieval times.

 

 

Islamophobia is just a made up word, I don’t recognise it, why don’t we hear the word Hinduphobia or Christianphobia? We both know the reason. I know plenty about the history of the conflict thanks pal.

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, Turkish said:

this is the problem though. how do you tell the two apart?

Its difficult I agree. What we need to do is fully investigate where there is reports or evidence of such ideology. That means full investigations into mosques without fear or favour. Any charges that can be proven of this sort of thing then they either need prosecuting or removing from this country where possible. We have precedent for stripping someone of citizenship where they have links and options to go elsewhere and I'd like to see more of that. No longer should you be allowed to become a citizen and then just abuse this country, it's hospitality and it's citizens with little consequence. No one who isn't already a citizen should be staying in this country if there's evidence of any of this stuff. If nothing else it must make moderate and reasonable followers of Islam furious to have any association with these medieval savages. For too long authorities have turned a blind eye to a lot of this for fear of being accused of racism. If you want Reform to be less popular then one of the things the government should be doing is getting a grip on this problem and probably proscribing quite a few new groups. 

Edited Thursday at 18:34 by hypochondriac

[AlexLaw76]

Thoughts and prayers are with Bob Vylan and Soggy this evening.

 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Thoughts and prayers are with Bob Vylan and Soggy this evening.

 

 

 

There will no doubt be some sick people who think that some Jews got what was coming to them. I've already seen some on social media blaming Netanyahu.

[egg]

23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If someone has come here whether legally or illegally and supports an ideology that leads to the death of Jews or others or they harbour support for terror attacks then I want us to change the law if necessary and do as much as we can to get them removed. Much of this threat has been imported and like I said we have our own problems without making things much worse. Anyone who isn't already a British citizen and it can be proven supports or indulges in this sort of ideology should be removed from this country.

You still assume that the perpetrator was an immigrant. Sure, he was undoubtedly an Islamist, but that doesn't make him an immigrant. 

The removal point is an emotional response and not much more than an extension of the send them back mantra re the boat people. Nothing we do, any politician or party, renders it possible to change the law to oblige a 3rd party country to accept someone we don't want. We don't have the clout to force that a la Trump. 

I appreciate that what's happened is appalling, but, an emotional response and reality don't align here. 

[aintforever]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There will no doubt be some sick people who think that some Jews got what was coming to them. I've already seen some on social media blaming Netanyahu.

The sad fact is that the actions of Israel has caused a rise in antisemitism, wether that’s a factor here remains to be seen. 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

The sad fact is that the actions of Israel has caused a rise in antisemitism, wether that’s a factor here remains to be seen. 

The responsibility for this attack is the extremist ideology and the attackers alone.

[influx]

PHEW!! He was brown.  Had me worried then 

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The responsibility for this attack is the extremist ideology and the attackers alone.

Of course it is. We will have to wait and see what the scumbag’s motivation was.

Edited Thursday at 19:15 by aintforever

[iansums]

4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Of course it is. We will have to wait and see what the scumbag’s motivation was.

I think we have a fairly good idea.

[aintforever]

9 minutes ago, iansums said:

I think we have a fairly good idea.

Obviously.

From the BBC:

Today’s events in Manchester are taking place amid a dangerous undercurrent of heightened alerts and warnings.

While the investigation into the perpetrator’s motives has yet to run its course, counter-terrorism police and the MI5 security service have been on alert for some time for so-called ‘blowback’ from the war in Gaza.

One official described the violence there as "a running sore that is radicalising people" across borders.

On 18 September, the Islamic State group urged its followers to carry out attacks on Jewish and Christian targets in Europe, especially in Britain. 

Edited Thursday at 19:30 by aintforever

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Obviously.

From the BBC:

Today’s events in Manchester are taking place amid a dangerous undercurrent of heightened alerts and warnings.

While the investigation into the perpetrator’s motives has yet to run its course, counter-terrorism police and the MI5 security service have been on alert for some time for so-called ‘blowback’ from the war in Gaza.

One official described the violence there as "a running sore that is radicalising people" across borders.

On 18 September, the Islamic State group urged its followers to carry out attacks on Jewish and Christian targets in Europe, especially in Britain. 

Imagine indulging in an ideology that uses a foreign conflict as justification for mass murder on the streets of Britain. Just evil.

[pingpong]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

Islamophobia is just a made up word, I don’t recognise it, why don’t we hear the word Hinduphobia or Christianphobia? We both know the reason. I know plenty about the history of the conflict thanks pal.

It's Christianophobia, with an o, and it is a thing and recognised by the UN.

[iansums]

27 minutes ago, pingpong said:

It's Christianophobia, with an o, and it is a thing and recognised by the UN.

Fair enough but isn’t a phobia an irrational fear? A fear of Islam seems perfectly rational to me.

[iansums]

The cunts name was Jihad, can you believe it?

[egg]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

Islamophobia is just a made up word, I don’t recognise it, why don’t we hear the word Hinduphobia or Christianphobia? We both know the reason. I know plenty about the history of the conflict thanks pal.

Nonsense. It's a recognised thing (UN, and elsewhere) albeit rarely recognised by some for their own reasons. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine indulging in an ideology that uses a foreign conflict as justification for mass murder on the streets of Britain. Just evil.

We should have a pact with Israel to send all the Islamic terrorists to Tel Aviv with an. agreement we don’t give a fuck what they do with them or if they feed them. 

[LuckyNumber7]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

 

PS. The Jewish, Islamic and Christian religions all pre date medieval times.

 

 

Yet only one of them appears to still be stuck in the dark ages.

[inspectorfrost]

9 hours ago, whelk said:

Far too early to speculate about the perpetrator though

Apparently someone who came to Britain as a small child and been here ever since.

[inspectorfrost]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Second generation immigrants are often more extreme than their parents- Rudakubana for example -because they romanticise where their family is from. Combine that with being inculcated in backwards and extremist ideology and it's a recipe for disaster. No one is ready to have a serious conversation about it. Too many people in this country have extremist beliefs linked to Islam and it puts communities like the jewish one at risk. I know people who take it in turns on the door guarding a synagogue. It's disgusting and it's only the followers of one ideology that are doing it. This country needs to be much much tougher on extremist Islam.

Largely agree with that

Think of the police manpower recently spent on arresting people spraying paint on military equipment and pensioners holding placards up under anti-terror legislation. Then extremist murderers like this are allowed to slip through the net.

Sums up why (in part) I got out the force when I did.