Autism and ADHD in young people

[Turkish]

this is also interesting 

Obesity in mums doubles the risk of autism in babies - News and events - University of South Australia

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

 

It’s a doctor I follow on Instagram who posts a lot of stuff around health and diet I’ll try and find some more details 

Cheers. There's a consistent theme of ultra processed 'food', excess sugar/carbs, insufficient sunlight, under activity (physically and socially) being at the root of poor mental and physical health. 

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Cheers. There's a consistent theme of ultra processed 'food', excess sugar/carbs, insufficient sunlight, under activity (physically and socially) being at the root of poor mental and physical health. 

Sunlight being important for the production of Vitamin D of course.

[egg]

1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Sunlight being important for the production of Vitamin D of course.

Indeed. I had a friend who emigrated to Oz, and within months of coming back was awfully ill. No energy, pain, not sleeping which impacted MH, generally a mess. GP tried to throw anti depressants at him and wouldn't test for vitamin d. He refused the pills, did a private test which showed that his levels were scarily low. He got pumped with vitamin d and was a new man. Many people wouldn't have questioned the doctor, would have taken the pills, and never addressed the actual issue. 

[Whitey Grandad]

20 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. I had a friend who emigrated to Oz, and within months of coming back was awfully ill. No energy, pain, not sleeping which impacted MH, generally a mess. GP tried to throw anti depressants at him and wouldn't test for vitamin d. He refused the pills, did a private test which showed that his levels were scarily low. He got pumped with vitamin d and was a new man. Many people wouldn't have questioned the doctor, would have taken the pills, and never addressed the actual issue. 

Interesting. 

There can be problems with Muslims whose traditional clothing may be inappropriate for regions with low sunshine levels.

[Turkish]

48 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. I had a friend who emigrated to Oz, and within months of coming back was awfully ill. No energy, pain, not sleeping which impacted MH, generally a mess. GP tried to throw anti depressants at him and wouldn't test for vitamin d. He refused the pills, did a private test which showed that his levels were scarily low. He got pumped with vitamin d and was a new man. Many people wouldn't have questioned the doctor, would have taken the pills, and never addressed the actual issue. 

worrying that the first thought of the GP was to prescribe anti depressants. Sadly though this is something that appears to be happening more and more. Look at diabetes too costs the NHS billions but very little advice on fixing the root cause, instead they'll give pills to fix the symptoms. 

[Whitey Grandad]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

worrying that the first thought of the GP was to prescribe anti depressants. Sadly though this is something that appears to be happening more and more. Look at diabetes too costs the NHS billions but very little advice on fixing the root cause, instead they'll give pills to fix the symptoms. 

I was once told that a doctor will give you pills and a surgeon will cut you open. It’s what they do.

Many health problems can be fixed by a change in lifestyle.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

worrying that the first thought of the GP was to prescribe anti depressants. Sadly though this is something that appears to be happening more and more. Look at diabetes too costs the NHS billions but very little advice on fixing the root cause, instead they'll give pills to fix the symptoms. 

Indeed. A change of diet can transform lives and health. People need to educate themselves on what they're doing to their bodies, and their kids. Sadly people seem to think that their care is somebody else's problem, and that meds are the fix. 

[egg]

Just now, Whitey Grandad said:

I was once told that a doctor will give you pills and a surgeon will cut you open. It’s what they do.

Many health problems can be fixed by a change in lifestyle.

That's all that need to be said. Spot on. 

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. A change of diet can transform lives and health. People need to educate themselves on what they're doing to their bodies, and their kids. Sadly people seem to think that their care is somebody else's problem, and that meds are the fix. 

“You are what you eat”

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

“You are what you eat”

That makes me a curry!! 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

That makes me a curry!! 

Im blueberries with greek yoghurt and chia seeds 😂

[Winnersaint]

On 27/01/2025 at 11:00, Whitey Grandad said:

You have a local baker?

Wow! I dream of real crusty bread.

No local bakers around here. Gail's in Wokingham that's about it and they're a chain and a rip off too. Remember the smell of baking bread when I was at school there was a bakery at the bottom of Toynbee Rd. When we moved in 1971 after the old man came out the Navy we had a village shop which meant a daily bread collection from Nicholas and Harris Bakery in Salisbury. Those Lardy Cakes were out of this world

[leesaint88]

I have ADHD and I have to admit since moving away from medication and investing in diet, exercise and making sure I have certain vitamins it's been reasonably under control. I'm never going to go down the RFK JR route and basically claim a bit of Vitamin A stops Measles but certainly eating right and getting good levels of Vitamin D, Zinc, Magnesium, B12 etc can go a long way...

[Gloucester Saint]

12 hours ago, Turkish said:

Quite possible that. The only note of caution with any elimination diet - I speak from experience - is to make sure that you take it on under supervision and check-ins with your GP. To identify my lactose intolerance took first an endoscopy to ensure there was nothing structurally wrong inside (I did it without sedation…) and then a week wired up to a computer which monitored acid levels and inflammation after each meal. 

Edited March 11 by Gloucester Saint

[Whitey Grandad]

8 hours ago, egg said:

That makes me a curry!! 

Is your skin a weird orange colour?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 hours ago, egg said:

That makes me a curry!! 

 

32 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Is your skin a weird orange colour?

I'd have thought more egg-shell? 🙂

[Turkish]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7ejvr3y0zo

 

interesting points here

[trousers]

After several years of wading through red tape, referrals, waiting lists, etc, my 27 year old daughter finally got an ADHD diagnosis a couple of weeks ago. She started the medication a few days ago and we're already starting to notice a significant difference in her persona and demeanour. The diagnosis process needs massively streamlining to avoid young people such as my daughter wasting years of their life battling against a condition, and the bureaucracy surrounding it, when there's life changing medication available.  

[whelk]

37 minutes ago, trousers said:

After several years of wading through red tape, referrals, waiting lists, etc, my 27 year old daughter finally got an ADHD diagnosis a couple of weeks ago. She started the medication a few days ago and we're already starting to notice a significant difference in her persona and demeanour. The diagnosis process needs massively streamlining to avoid young people such as my daughter wasting years of their life battling against a condition, and the bureaucracy surrounding it, when there's life changing medication available.  

Armando Iannucci was diagnosed at 61 and said life changing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/armando-iannucci-adhd-symptoms-dr-strangelove-b2709936.html

[Turkish]

 a new study reporting that girls are often misdiagnosed with other conditions rather than autism 

https://www.aston.ac.uk/latest-news/lost-girls-autism-new-book-aston-university-emeritus-professor-gina-rippon-examines

 

Also good to see kids who think they’re trans will be tested for autism and adhd. Let’s hope they get the help they need too and put an end to this nonsense that you can choose anyone of 80 odd genders, it’s bonkers that it’s even a discussion 

[Gloucester Saint]

46 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 a new study reporting that girls are often misdiagnosed with other conditions rather than autism 

https://www.aston.ac.uk/latest-news/lost-girls-autism-new-book-aston-university-emeritus-professor-gina-rippon-examines

 

Also good to see kids who think they’re trans will be tested for autism and adhd. Let’s hope they get the help they need too and put an end to this nonsense that you can choose anyone of 80 odd genders, it’s bonkers that it’s even a discussion 

This area needs further research, it’s a real gap at the moment. Would have a lot of benefits if done well.

[whelk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp08z3egno

Convinced must be food industry related
 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, whelk said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp08z3egno

Convinced must be food industry related
 

Possibly, could be environmental toxins but more likely that women and girls have traditionally masked ASD better than boys/men.

If we make small adjustments in education and work, it need not be as big a deal as it is, and it shouldn’t be a culture war issue for politicians.

[revolution saint]

Well my niece has just finished her final assessment for autism and meets the criteria. Despite all the talk of how long it takes to get a diagnosis, I actually thought the whole thing was fairly quick as she only started the process in October or November. She’s 19 so might be because she’s considered an adult now.

She’s reading English at Oxford (Corpus Christie) so it’s clearly not affected her academically but she does struggle more than most with new environments. Hopefully the diagnosis helps her with those situations. Oxford were complete twats initially and wanted her to defer because she came home for a few weekends. Fair play to her, she fought that and is doing really well now.

 

[Wiggles31]

I work in psychiatry and ASD / ADHD is incredibly under diagnosed in females. That said there is a huge bandwagon of Tik Tokers striving for ASD diagnosis when there is little to no evidence that is the case. The next 5-10 years should see a huge overhaul in current services available. Lots of people wait years to get a diagnosis only to then get no NHS support which is wrong, unless there is a risk of self/harm suicide, then they psychiatric services become involved with no specialist training in ASD or ADHD. 
 

What is also stupid is that most psychiatrists could diagnose these conditions, and in areas like Hampshire they are unable to, hence the several year waiting list to see a specialist service. 
 

People can use the right to choose whereby assessment will be sought privately, but private services do have a habit of diagnosing what someone is seeking. 

[Gloucester Saint]

10 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Well my niece has just finished her final assessment for autism and meets the criteria. Despite all the talk of how long it takes to get a diagnosis, I actually thought the whole thing was fairly quick as she only started the process in October or November. She’s 19 so might be because she’s considered an adult now.

She’s reading English at Oxford (Corpus Christie) so it’s clearly not affected her academically but she does struggle more than most with new environments. Hopefully the diagnosis helps her with those situations. Oxford were complete twats initially and wanted her to defer because she came home for a few weekends. Fair play to her, she fought that and is doing really well now.

 

Thanks for sharing and to Wiggles as well, good to hear examples from a positions of knowledge and experience unlike most of our idiot politicians and their pet excuses for journalists.

It also demonstrates simple reasonable adjustments make all the difference and that people with ADHD and other neurodiversities are just as bright and capable (bell ends such as RFK take note).

Wiggles makes a further crucial point about young women’s ability to mask, very likely to be a key driver behind the rise.

Edited Sunday at 18:58 by Gloucester Saint

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It also demonstrates simple reasonable adjustments make all the difference and that people with ADHD and other neurodiversities are just as bright and capable

Einstein, Newton and Turing for starters

[whelk]

11 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Well my niece has just finished her final assessment for autism and meets the criteria. Despite all the talk of how long it takes to get a diagnosis, I actually thought the whole thing was fairly quick as she only started the process in October or November. She’s 19 so might be because she’s considered an adult now.

She’s reading English at Oxford (Corpus Christie) so it’s clearly not affected her academically but she does struggle more than most with new environments. Hopefully the diagnosis helps her with those situations. Oxford were complete twats initially and wanted her to defer because she came home for a few weekends. Fair play to her, she fought that and is doing really well now.

 

That doesn’t seem representative for adults generally but good news

[revolution saint]

53 minutes ago, whelk said:

That doesn’t seem representative for adults generally but good news

Cheers, yeah, it seemed quick to me given most people seem to quote around 2 years.  I don't know many details except it was on the NHS rather than private.  TBH it's pretty cool, I'm hoping she'll turn out to be one of the rain man ones and I can make a killing on blackjack.  

[Wiggles31]

Like I say it is great that there is a shift towards recognition and diagnosis, but beyond that NHS support is limited unless you have a co-occurring condition and fall under mental health services. It’ll be interesting to see where things are at in 5 years in relation to NHS providing support to children and adults alike. 
 

Hampshire Autism is a good service and would always recommend that to people with ASD. 

[Smirking_Saint]

Not really read through the thread at any real purpose, but I do know ASD is pretty much something you are genetically born with, or at most develops within the first year, its more prevalent these days as diagnosis of all spectrum disorders was started at higher degrees in the late 90s

So conflating ASD and ADHD is a tad unfair

As for ADHD, I do think it must be diet related, probably a long with a ton of stomach related issues that seem to be more prevalent these days

Edit - My missus is a Speech Therapist and trained in ASD, including diagnosis.. apparently the delay in diagnosis is because you need two seperate practices, like Psychology and Speech Therapy to do a joint diagnosis which is why it taies so long… and Women are able to live with it/hide it better which means it becomes apparent later childhood, young adulthood

Edited Sunday at 20:32 by Smirking_Saint