The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[whelk]

Deputy speaker seems like a school kid

[tdmickey3]

7 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

But then he will never be able to comment on anything ever and he needs this place for his well being. 

 

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

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3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You two are such good bed-fellows, you really are.

Nutty nic and clueless ralphy, a match of the tiny intellects 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, whelk said:

Deputy speaker seems like a school kid

Well, she was trying to control the kiddies

[badgerx16]

24 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Can’t get too pissed off though. Most of this stuff will be around for a couple of years. They will be gone and then the new government will have a lot of fat to strip out

And find their own ways to favour their mates and shaft the rest of us.

[Gloucester Saint]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You two are such good bed-fellows, you really are, so much so that you are probably the same logon

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

 

Well, I did originally think that tbh. They are very similar, and both seem to make things up to suit their arguments.

[whelk]

Ralph is infinitely more reasonable and you can have a discussion. Nic is in some fantasy world and cannot discuss anything

[east-stand-nic]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

Ralph is infinitely more reasonable and you can have a discussion. Nic is in some fantasy world and cannot discuss anything

Prove it. Try debating with me instead of just throwing childish insults. Fancy it? 

Thought not.

Edited 5 hours ago by east-stand-nic

[pingpong]

Badenoch calls Reeves the worst chancellor of all time.

I'm not really sure that is accurate.  At least this time I've not had to scramble to remortgage my house.  (I took a 5 yr fixed on the day truss and kwarteng were fucking the interest rates, sneaked in at 3.6%)

 

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, pingpong said:

Badenoch calls Reeves the worst chancellor of all time.

I'm not really sure that is accurate.  At least this time I've not had to scramble to remortgage my house.  (I took a 5 yr fixed on the day truss and kwarteng were fucking the interest rates, sneaked in at 3.6%)

 

Reeves hasn't ( yet ) shafted the UK economy as badly as Winston Churchill did in 1925 when he arbitrarily set the Pound back to it's pre WW1 value and put the country on the Gold Standard.

[Farmer Saint]

So, nothing to really see here with this budget - bit of a stabilising budget with no real shocks. I think if we see a large decrease in interest rates over the next few months that will help businesses to start re-investing and should kick start us a little bit.

[Farmer Saint]

34 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Badenoch calls Reeves the worst chancellor of all time.

I'm not really sure that is accurate.  At least this time I've not had to scramble to remortgage my house.  (I took a 5 yr fixed on the day truss and kwarteng were fucking the interest rates, sneaked in at 3.6%)

 

Exactly, she's not even the worst chancellor in the last 3 years.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Exactly, she's not even the worst chancellor in the last 3 years.

Fuck me shes got an annoying voice though

[whelk]

47 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Prove it. Try debating with me instead of just throwing childish insults. Fancy it? 

Thought not.

Onus is on you, you halfwit

[egg]

36 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So, nothing to really see here with this budget - bit of a stabilising budget with no real shocks. I think if we see a large decrease in interest rates over the next few months that will help businesses to start re-investing and should kick start us a little bit.

Yep. A bit of a nothing budget. I thought pension contribution tax relief would be hit and I'm surprised that's stayed as it was. I was also expecting NI to extend to other incomes. The reduced cash ISA allowance kind of takes us back to ISA origins with a bigger allowance for stocks and shares. People who want to invest £20k at low risk can just whack their cash in a largely cash or bond based fund anyway so there'll be ways around it if people want to find them. 

Hopefully that'll settle the markets, and we see a rate drop to give us a much needed jolt. 

[egg]

32 minutes ago, whelk said:

Onus is on you, you halfwit

Half. Unusually benevolent of you mate. 

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Half. Unusually benevolent of you mate. 

I was a actually debating whether to use fucko or halfwit

[whelk]

54 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So, nothing to really see here with this budget - bit of a stabilising budget with no real shocks. I think if we see a large decrease in interest rates over the next few months that will help businesses to start re-investing and should kick start us a little bit.

I was trying to think what the Mail will be wailing about tomorrow and nothing stood out. Dull and gradually just pleasing no-one - need to be bolder IMO

[Baird of the land]

So lots of near-term borrowing and a promise of future fiscal restraint(from a govt that has shown zero ability to do so).

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

So lots of near-term borrowing and a promise of future fiscal restraint(from a govt that has shown zero ability to do so).

What Government in this century has ?

Edited 4 hours ago by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

11 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

So lots of near-term borrowing and a promise of future fiscal restraint(from a govt that has shown zero ability to do so).

That was the price of voting Leave in 2016, sharply restricting access to the world’s free market and was always going to be thus. As Badger says, it has been the case for some years now.

The Red Wall want higher public spending on services and places, the original Brexiteers want Singapore on Thames, the two are incompatible. 

You’re paying for a hard Brexit which was a choice and paying off Covid (not a choice but at least with furlough, business kept trading). If you want to break the cycle, campaign to rejoin. It’ll be no different at best and likely far worse under Reform.

[rooney]

The City, the Bond Markets and the FX markets seem to be happy with it today.

[ecuk268]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

I was trying to think what the Mail will be wailing about tomorrow and nothing stood out. Dull and gradually just pleasing no-one - need to be bolder IMO

Probably something about lifting the 2-child cap and the lower orders breeding and spending it all on fags and booze.

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Probably something about lifting the 2-child cap and the lower orders breeding and spending it all on fags and booze.

More money for the exchequer.

Edited 3 hours ago by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, rooney said:

The City, the Bond Markets and the FX markets seem to be happy with it today.

Fucking economically illiterate lefties.

Edited 3 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Fucking economically illiterate lefties.

I thought they'd all left due to inheritance tax anyway?

[Sir Ralph]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Fucking economically illiterate lefties.

 

2 hours ago, rooney said:

The City, the Bond Markets and the FX markets seem to be happy with it today.

I’m not sure happy is the right word. Marginally satisfied more appropriate. This is because the budget deficit hasn’t increased and has a larger headroom. The headroom itself is good in principle and could have been achieved by any government. It can be achieved in a number of ways, including cuts or a more balanced budget.

A lot of scepticism in the economy was already factored in before the budget because people knew what was coming. 

This government is obsessed with taxes rather than economic growth. Thats it. It doesn’t mean that the markets believe it’s a “good budget”.

The good thing about today was now we have a clear difference in ideology between Tory and Labour, how we structure the economy and what 'working people' mean and how they both see the future of Britain. It was stark. In my opinion, for most employed people, this budget is the nail in the coffin.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

I’m not sure happy is the right word. Marginally satisfied more appropriate. This is because the budget deficit hasn’t increased and has a larger headroom. The headroom itself is good in principle and could have been achieved by any government.

 

How many Tory Chancellors could have done this 'good in principle' thing, but didn't ?

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How many Tory Chancellors could have done this 'good in principle' thing, but didn't ?

Are you Reeves? Why does everyone always revert to the Tories. Also the 'headroom' is an ongoing issue, which every government addresses during its time.

We are judging her. Today is about her and what she and her party have done. As I said, this is the nail in the coffin. People know that they are being taxed because she cant control her socialist backbenchers and its not what people voted for.

Edited 59 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[AlexLaw76]

Looks like it will be fandabi-doozie from around 2028 onwards.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Looks like it will be fandabi-doozie from around 2028 onwards.

2029 will be the best....probably Summer time. There will be joyous partying in the streets.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Are you Reeves? Why does everyone always revert to the Tories.

 

Because they are the measure against which RR is judged. They held the reins of fiscal power for 14 consecutive years prior to the current Government, and they certainly were not a 'safe pair of hands' with regard to the economy.

If the rise in headroom is a good thing, why didn't they do it ? It's a legitimate question.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

2029 will be the best....probably Summer time. There will be joyous partying in the streets.

So you think a hung Parliament will be a good thing ?

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Because they are the measure against which RR is judged. They held the reins of fiscal power for 14 consecutive years prior to the current Government, and they certainly were not a 'safe pair of hands' with regard to the economy.

If the rise in headroom is a good thing, why didn't they do it ? It's a legitimate question.

Its irrelevant for the purposes of today. Reeves had a number of ways to maintain fiscal credibility (1) increase spending and hammer people with taxes; or (2) cut spending and minimise taxes. She chose (1). That is the fundamental issue with this budget. It has no balance and people are pissed.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So you think a hung Parliament will be a good thing ?

I'd take that over the current mess. Conservatives and lib dems weren't great last time but they weren't the worst.

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Its irrelevant for the purposes of today. Reeves had a number of ways to maintain fiscal credibility (1) increase spending and hammer people with taxes; or (2) cut spending and minimise taxes. She chose (1). That is the fundamental issue with this budget. It has no balance and some entitled people are pissed.

FIFY

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So you think a hung Parliament will be a good thing ?

Look at the polls in terms of predicted seats. I think Labour's will be further declining after this and we still have more budgets to come.

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

FIFY

You havent even read it have you. Best to leave it. I dont think some poster on here have a clue about economics. For an simple guide watch Badenoch explain it to Reeves at PMQs. 

Edited 43 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Look at the polls in terms of predicted seats. I think Labour's will be further declining after this and we still have more budgets to come.

The only poll that matters will be the next GE. We are 4 years away.

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

The only poll that matters will be the next GE. We are 4 years away.

Cant wait

[badgerx16]

36 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You havent even read it have you.

I did read it. The thing is, I do people the courtesy of reading their rubbish before commenting on it. I even do this for Nutty Nic.

 

EDIT ( ironically ); Why do people go back and add text to posts AFTER they have been quoted and commented on / replied to ?

Edited 16 minutes ago by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Cant wait

Don't hold your breath. 😉

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You havent even read it have you. Best to leave it. I dont think some poster on here have a clue about economics. For an simple guide watch Badenoch explain it to Reeves at PMQs. 

You're quoting Badenoch as the person to explain economics?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Fucking hell mate, as if you could come across as any more of a fucking goon. 

Tell us again that story about all your millionaire mates who have moved to Dubai to save on inheritance tax.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You're quoting Badenoch as the person to explain economics?

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Fucking hell mate, as if you could come across as any more of a fucking goon. 

Tell us again that story about all your millionaire mates who have moved to Dubai to save on inheritance tax.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Tell me about your fake job again.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Tell me about your fake job again.

Which one? What do you genuinely think I do? I'm interested for you to profile me.

[Gloucester Saint]

40 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd take that over the current mess. Conservatives and lib dems weren't great last time but they weren't the worst.

I quite liked the Coalition but there’s a big caveat - that involved the sensible part of the Conservative Party with brains. Not the ‘Swivel Eyed Loon’ ERG wing who have destroyed it over the last decade.

Not Impossible they could recover to 200-250 seats where that would a possibility but they’d need more Jeremy Hunt type figures, new blood like Andy Street, and a cleaning of the stables with plenty of departures to Reform. 

[Turkish]

Only electric and hybrid cars from 2030. push everyone down that route now whack tax on. Just like they did with diesels