The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I think I came on a said that agent who manage our property suggested we put the rent up, citing Government legislation as the reason for that increase. We don’t pluck figures out of thin air, we rely on the experts to guide us as they know the rental market in the locality. 

I’m just trying to work through things you said at the time. You said rents had gone up immediately entirely due to Rachel from accounts. You also said that you had previously deliberately kept rents low as you had good tenants and it was a way of keeping them, which kind of suggests not adhering to the experts to guide on price.

[egg]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not just my claim. They themselves have said they’re implementing policies which will lead to increased landlord costs being passed on to tenants. Seeing as I quoted word for word  from their own impact assessment,  and you still won’t accept it, there seems  little point in continuing this particular debate.

What are the policies that labour have implemented that have increased the costs to landlords?

It's a simple question.

The honest answer is none. Have the bollox to concede that.

[Farmer Saint]

Agents who get a cut of rent, in a "we think you should put rent up" shocker.

[Sir Ralph]

16 hours ago, egg said:

What are the policies that labour have implemented that have increased the costs to landlords?

It's a simple question.

The honest answer is none. Have the bollox to concede that.

This is hilarious and another completely irrational post. So when your tenant refuses to pay rent and the governments new policies back them and not the landlord, who covers that cost? The magic money tree?

I’ve been out over Christmas and everyone hates this government. drinking horlicks and commenting on a football forum understand this though 😆

The lefties all sit on this forum and convince themselves on mass that because there is enough of them they are right. You lot are so far detached from the real business world it’s become comical. Keep convincing yourselves that if there are enough posters agreeing you are right 😆

Edited 14 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

7 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is hilarious and another completely irrational post. So when your tenant refuses to pay rent and the governments new policies back them and not the landlord, who covers that cost? The magic money tree?

I’ve been out over Christmas and everyone hates this government. These are real people who make real money, not the artists on here. Ex local authority employees drinking horlicks and commenting on a football forum understand this though 😆

The lefties all sit on this forum and convince themselves on mass that because there is enough of them they are right. You lot are so far detached from the real business world it’s become comical. Keep convincing yourselves that if there are enough posters agreeing you are right 😆

Would love to know how these conversations started. How many people we talking about Ralph? And in what walks of life? Just an example of how you started your chat, and how that progressed onto Government policy and their hatred would be good.

As if people want to have those chats at Christmas with some random weirdo 😂 It reminds me of when @east-stand-nic told us he has spoken to 7 separate white South African's, and each one told him of their struggles with being persecuted in SA because they were white.

I think the problem the "lefties" have on here is not criticism of the Government - in fact some of us have been incredibly vocal on how shit this government has been - it's more that a lot of our right leaning posters just seem to make shit up to try to prove their point, instead of using facts. Come up with a well articulated, back-up point then we will be happy to discuss at length (as tends to happen more with posters like @hypochondriac), but there are too many posters, like yourself, who seem to veer away from detail or the truth. We don't particularly like this Government, we just don't take fools gladly.

Have a lovely Xmas! 🎄 🎁 

Edited 15 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Would love to know how these conversations started. How many people we talking about Ralph? And in what walks of life? Just an example of how you started your chat, and how that progressed onto Government policy and their hatred would be good.

As if people want to have those chats at Christmas with some random weirdo 😂 It reminds me of when East Stand Nic told us he has spoken to 7 separate white South African's, and each one told him of their struggles with being persecuted in SA because they were white.

I think the problem the "lefties" have on here is not criticism of the Government - in fact some of us have been incredibly vocal on how shit this government has been - it's more that a lot of our right leaning posters just seem to make shit up to try to prove their point, instead of using facts. Come up with a well articulated, back-up point then we will be happy to discuss at length (as tends to happen more with posters like @hypochondriac), but there are too many posters, like yourself, who seem to veer away from detail or the truth. We don't particularly like this Government, we just don't take fools gladly.

Have a lovely Xmas! 🎄 🎁 

I've got him on ignore so hadn't seen that. So him and Duck claim that labour have imposed policies that directly  increase the costs of landlords, meaning they absolutely must increase rent, yet neither of them can explain those policies. Bless. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

I've got him on ignore so hadn't seen that. So him and Duck claim that labour have imposed policies that directly  increase the costs of landlords, meaning they absolutely must increase rent, yet neither of them can explain those policies. Bless. 

Sorry for quoting him!

Yeah, normal shit, different day. Just cannot back themselves.

[Gloucester Saint]

Cheer up though lads, a Reform voter is coming home 😉https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgke51rzpvro

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry for quoting him!

Yeah, normal shit, different day. Just cannot back themselves.

No drama, was entertaining. Loads of waffle and bs deflection, and zero attempt to address the issue. The bloke in a nutshell. 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Cheer up though lads, a Reform voter is coming home 😉https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgke51rzpvro

Fucking political correctness gone mad innit. You can't display anything these days.

[sadoldgit]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is hilarious and another completely irrational post. So when your tenant refuses to pay rent and the governments new policies back them and not the landlord, who covers that cost? The magic money tree?

I’ve been out over Christmas and everyone hates this government. These are real people who make real money, not the artists on here. Ex local authority employees drinking horlicks and commenting on a football forum understand this though 😆

The lefties all sit on this forum and convince themselves on mass that because there is enough of them they are right. You lot are so far detached from the real business world it’s become comical. Keep convincing yourselves that if there are enough posters agreeing you are right 😆

Here, in four words, is your issue. There are no rights or wrongs, only opinions. You have this thing about “lefties” which shows how closed your mind is given most of the people you calls “lefties” are liberals which, you should know, are general centrists.

So then, opinions. Cameron and Osbourne decided that austerity was the best way forward for this country over 14 years ago. Other had a completely different opinion because they were of the opinion that public services would suffer badly. Whilst they were of the opinion that was proved right in actuality, you won’t find Cameron and Osbourne backtracking on their decision because they will stand by their original opinion that was the only way forward given Tory dogma. It was the right thing to do in their opinion because social services were not their priority.

There will be consequences of the new rent reform bill, some will benefit some people, some will benefit others. There will be knock on effects down the road too, just like every other reform bill. Politicians will either support it for xyz reasons or attack it for xyz reasons, there will all feel that they are right and the others wrong. The same goes for economists.

The bottom line is that one group of people want a fairer, more humane world where the “haves” do more to help the “have nots” and another group of people are more of the Darwinism mindset, the survival of the fittest where the “haves” do what they can to keep what they can whilst throwing a few crumbs to the “have nots” to salve their consciences when they feel a bit guilty.

I think I know which group you are in.

And yes, I know, it is only an opinion.

A Christmas message for you Ralph (let’s drop the “Sir” shall we?). In 2026 maybe try to be less Trump and more Ed Davey? 

[Turkish]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Here, in four words, is your issue. There are no rights or wrongs, only opinions. You have this thing about “lefties” which shows how closed your mind is given most of the people you calls “lefties” are liberals which, you should know, are general centrists.

So then, opinions. Cameron and Osbourne decided that austerity was the best way forward for this country over 14 years ago. Other had a completely different opinion because they were of the opinion that public services would suffer badly. Whilst they were of the opinion that was proved right in actuality, you won’t find Cameron and Osbourne backtracking on their decision because they will stand by their original opinion that was the only way forward given Tory dogma. It was the right thing to do in their opinion because social services were not their priority.

There will be consequences of the new rent reform bill, some will benefit some people, some will benefit others. There will be knock on effects down the road too, just like every other reform bill. Politicians will either support it for xyz reasons or attack it for xyz reasons, there will all feel that they are right and the others wrong. The same goes for economists.

The bottom line is that one group of people want a fairer, more humane world where the “haves” do more to help the “have nots” and another group of people are more of the Darwinism mindset, the survival of the fittest where the “haves” do what they can to keep what they can whilst throwing a few crumbs to the “have nots” to salve their consciences when they feel a bit guilty.

I think I know which group you are in.

And yes, I know, it is only an opinion.

A Christmas message for you Ralph (let’s drop the “Sir” shall we?). In 2026 maybe try to be less Trump and more Ed Davey? 

Embarrassing 

[whelk]

Nice to know Ralphie has some friends. I assumed he stayed in watching GB News all day and checking his stocks.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

checking his stocks.

 

If he has a pair, wouldn’t mind borrowing them and chucking all of the unsold and gone off Christmas veg at Brendon McCullum and Rob Key after the Ashes has finished. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Would love to know how these conversations started. How many people we talking about Ralph? And in what walks of life? Just an example of how you started your chat, and how that progressed onto Government policy and their hatred would be good.

“Hello chaps, nice to see you all again. Maybe you could help me with a problem I have; i keep getting rinsed on a football forum by people who aren’t as right-wing as me”

”Fuck off Ralph, get the beers in you tight cunt and stop banging on about politics you boring bastard}

[Farmer Saint]

17 minutes ago, whelk said:

Nice to know Ralphie has some friends. I assumed he stayed in watching GB News all day and checking his stocks.

 

I don't think they're friends, that's the issue, I think they're just members of the public. The people stacking shelves in Aldi. The Kurdish barbers that he gets his perm done at. The people working on donations at the food bank (only kidding - he wouldn't donate to a cause like that).

But yeah, blue collar, salt of the earth types. I'll await the profiles (hopefully we'll get some after the embarrassing way he skirted around the Dubai migration profiles earlier this year).

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is hilarious and another completely irrational post. So when your tenant refuses to pay rent and the governments new policies back them and not the landlord, who covers that cost? The magic money tree?

I’ve been out over Christmas and everyone hates this government. drinking horlicks and commenting on a football forum understand this though 😆

The lefties all sit on this forum and convince themselves on mass that because there is enough of them they are right. You lot are so far detached from the real business world it’s become comical. Keep convincing yourselves that if there are enough posters agreeing you are right 😆

 

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Here, in four words, is your issue. There are no rights or wrongs, only opinions. You have this thing about “lefties” which shows how closed your mind is given most of the people you calls “lefties” are liberals which, you should know, are general centrists.

So then, opinions. Cameron and Osbourne decided that austerity was the best way forward for this country over 14 years ago. Other had a completely different opinion because they were of the opinion that public services would suffer badly. Whilst they were of the opinion that was proved right in actuality, you won’t find Cameron and Osbourne backtracking on their decision because they will stand by their original opinion that was the only way forward given Tory dogma. It was the right thing to do in their opinion because social services were not their priority.

There will be consequences of the new rent reform bill, some will benefit some people, some will benefit others. There will be knock on effects down the road too, just like every other reform bill. Politicians will either support it for xyz reasons or attack it for xyz reasons, there will all feel that they are right and the others wrong. The same goes for economists.

The bottom line is that one group of people want a fairer, more humane world where the “haves” do more to help the “have nots” and another group of people are more of the Darwinism mindset, the survival of the fittest where the “haves” do what they can to keep what they can whilst throwing a few crumbs to the “have nots” to salve their consciences when they feel a bit guilty.

I think I know which group you are in.

And yes, I know, it is only an opinion.

A Christmas message for you Ralph (let’s drop the “Sir” shall we?). In 2026 maybe try to be less Trump and more Ed Davey? 

Edited 13 hours ago by Turkish

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

I have said it before, I think they're the same person from different sides of the spectrum.

[Lord Duckhunter]

19 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I’m just trying to work through things you said at the time. You said rents had gone up immediately entirely due to Rachel from accounts. You also said that you had previously deliberately kept rents low as you had good tenants and it was a way of keeping them, which kind of suggests not adhering to the experts to guide on price.

 

18 hours ago, egg said:

What are the policies that labour have implemented that have increased the costs to landlords?

It's a simple question.

The honest answer is none. Have the bollox to concede that.

It’s unbelievable, despite their own impact assessment saying exactly the same thing, you can’t accept it. 😂😂 Imagine if a Tory Government admitted their policies would increase costs and somebody posted this actually wasn’t true, I’m sure you’d be all over it. 
 

As you’re so obsessed with our tenants rent rise, I’ll explain, although based on you not accepting the Government’s own assessment, I’m not sure you’ll understand it. 

Firstly, the increased regulation & workload on our agent has resulted in a 1% increase in their fee, which has been passed on. Checking round other agents, the fee was in line with most. So that extra £19 went straight on their increase. No doubt you’ll want a line by line breakdown of what extra work is involved and how much it is, but personally, I’ve taken the Government’s word there’s more regulation for them to ensure we comply with, and more regulation inevitably involves more work & man hours. 

Secondly, we’ve never bothered before as we had the option of section 21 to get rid of awkward tenants (and have used this), but with this being abolished, we have taken up £35 a month Rent & legal protection policy, passed on to them. If we could still use section 21 we wouldn’t have bothered. 
 

Thirdly, wanting to keep good tenants, we reduced the rent by £100 a month, if they signed a Fixed-term Assured Shorthold Tenancy of a year. This gave us stability & assurance and also gave them reassurance we wouldn’t be kicking them out. This Government is banning these, & therefore we will only have 2 months notice if tenants want to quit. We’re no longer reducing rent for the security of the property being rented every month for a year, if we haven’t got that security. 
 

So therefore, before you factor in inflation, the rent has risen approx £150 a month as a direct result of Government policy. The next increase will also rise by 2% more than inflation to take into account the 2% increase in Income tax for landlords coming down the track. If this is reversed (with Starmers record, there’s a good chance it will be), then this won’t be loaded on. 
 

Before recommending an increase the agent will give us a summery of local market conditions. Previously they’ve blamed the Tory party & George Osborne’s tax changes for landlords selling up, the less supply the bigger increase in rents. This time, they blamed the upcoming act for supply issues, and therefore suggested rents are increasing locally as supply tightens. Our rent was slightly below its market value so it also went up to bring it in line for the Rental increases part of the act. 
 

The stupid comment that Agents will recommend increases as they get paid, shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. The worse thing for an agent is an empty house, as they don’t get a penny in that scenario.

It’s not a woe is me story, it hasn’t changed my circumstances in the slightest. The people affected by it are the tenants, they’re the ones paying for this. Had the Government done nothing, their rent would be cheaper, that’s an absolute fact…

 

My neighbour has 6 properties he rents out, we have 1. One of my sons has 2. My job involves dealing with some of the areas larger property companies/landlords and knowing what is going on with the building & general maintenance trade in the area. Even single person I’ve spoken to has said this government has increased costs on landlords, the government itself has admitted this, the only people who don’t seem to think they have are to be found on here. Supposedly “unbiased” posters 😂

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

 

Its an endless loop. I wish I had that many friends to talk stuff about.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

It’s unbelievable, despite their own impact assessment saying exactly the same thing, you can’t accept it. 😂😂 Imagine if a Tory Government admitted their policies would increase costs and somebody posted this actually wasn’t true, I’m sure you’d be all over it. 
 

As you’re so obsessed with our tenants rent rise, I’ll explain, although based on you not accepting the Government’s own assessment, I’m not sure you’ll understand it. 

Firstly, the increased regulation & workload on our agent has resulted in a 1% increase in their fee, which has been passed on. Checking round other agents, the fee was in line with most. So that extra £19 went straight on their increase. No doubt you’ll want a line by line breakdown of what extra work is involved and how much it is, but personally, I’ve taken the Government’s word there’s more regulation for them to ensure we comply with, and more regulation inevitably involves more work & man hours. 

Secondly, we’ve never bothered before as we had the option of section 21 to get rid of awkward tenants (and have used this), but with this being abolished, we have taken up £35 a month Rent & legal protection policy, passed on to them. If we could still use section 21 we wouldn’t have bothered. 
 

Thirdly, wanting to keep good tenants, we reduced the rent by £100 a month, if they signed a Fixed-term Assured Shorthold Tenancy of a year. This gave us stability & assurance and also gave them reassurance we wouldn’t be kicking them out. This Government is banning these, & therefore we will only have 2 months notice if tenants want to quit. We’re no longer reducing rent for the security of the property being rented every month for a year, if we haven’t got that security. 
 

So therefore, before you factor in inflation, the rent has risen approx £150 a month as a direct result of Government policy. The next increase will also rise by 2% more than inflation to take into account the 2% increase in Income tax for landlords coming down the track. If this is reversed (with Starmers record, there’s a good chance it will be), then this won’t be loaded on. 
 

Before recommending an increase the agent will give us a summery of local market conditions. Previously they’ve blamed the Tory party & George Osborne’s tax changes for landlords selling up, the less supply the bigger increase in rents. This time, they blamed the upcoming act for supply issues, and therefore suggested rents are increasing locally as supply tightens. Our rent was slightly below its market value so it also went up to bring it in line for the Rental increases part of the act. 
 

The stupid comment that Agents will recommend increases as they get paid, shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. The worse thing for an agent is an empty house, as they don’t get a penny in that scenario.

It’s not a woe is me story, it hasn’t changed my circumstances in the slightest. The people affected by it are the tenants, they’re the ones paying for this. Had the Government done nothing, their rent would be cheaper, that’s an absolute fact…

 

My neighbour has 6 properties he rents out, we have 1. One of my sons has 2. My job involves dealing with some of the areas larger property companies/landlords and knowing what is going on with the building & general maintenance trade in the area. Even single person I’ve spoken to has said this government has increased costs on landlords, the government itself has admitted this, the only people who don’t seem to think they have are to be found on here. Supposedly “unbiased” posters 😂

None of that answers the question you can't answer - what are the labour imposed policies that have led to rent increases? If there's a policy, explain. Saying that Rigsby and his mates have told you is utter pony. 

As to the limited detail. S.21 simply means you can't boot tenants out on short notice. I think it's a daft change btw, but the only impact it has on rent is that some landlords are booting tenants while they can and locking in new at higher rents. That's a landlords choice. Decent landlords - I am one - like long term tenants who look after the place and aren't fussed by s21 going. 

I have no idea about any regulatory changes to agents, but a) letting agents aren't needed - I've never bothered,and b) if they're starting to be regulated properly, it's about time. 

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, egg said:

None of that answers the question you can't answer - what are the labour imposed policies that have led to rent increases? If there's a policy, explain. Saying that Rigsby and his mates have told you is utter pony. 

As to the limited detail. S.21 simply means you can't boot tenants out on short notice. I think it's a daft change btw, but the only impact it has on rent is that some landlords are booting tenants while they can and locking in new at higher rents. That's a landlords choice. Decent landlords - I am one - like long term tenants who look after the place and aren't fussed by s21 going. 

I have no idea about any regulatory changes to agents, but a) letting agents aren't needed - I've never bothered,and b) if they're starting to be regulated properly, it's about time. 

A letting agent for one property with a long term, reliable tenant...doesn't make any sense to me.

[whelk]

44 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

It’s unbelievable, despite their own impact assessment saying exactly the same thing, you can’t accept it. 😂😂 Imagine if a Tory Government admitted their policies would increase costs and somebody posted this actually wasn’t true, I’m sure you’d be all over it. 
 

As you’re so obsessed with our tenants rent rise, I’ll explain, although based on you not accepting the Government’s own assessment, I’m not sure you’ll understand it. 

Firstly, the increased regulation & workload on our agent has resulted in a 1% increase in their fee, which has been passed on. Checking round other agents, the fee was in line with most. So that extra £19 went straight on their increase. No doubt you’ll want a line by line breakdown of what extra work is involved and how much it is, but personally, I’ve taken the Government’s word there’s more regulation for them to ensure we comply with, and more regulation inevitably involves more work & man hours. 

Secondly, we’ve never bothered before as we had the option of section 21 to get rid of awkward tenants (and have used this), but with this being abolished, we have taken up £35 a month Rent & legal protection policy, passed on to them. If we could still use section 21 we wouldn’t have bothered. 
 

Thirdly, wanting to keep good tenants, we reduced the rent by £100 a month, if they signed a Fixed-term Assured Shorthold Tenancy of a year. This gave us stability & assurance and also gave them reassurance we wouldn’t be kicking them out. This Government is banning these, & therefore we will only have 2 months notice if tenants want to quit. We’re no longer reducing rent for the security of the property being rented every month for a year, if we haven’t got that security. 
 

So therefore, before you factor in inflation, the rent has risen approx £150 a month as a direct result of Government policy. The next increase will also rise by 2% more than inflation to take into account the 2% increase in Income tax for landlords coming down the track. If this is reversed (with Starmers record, there’s a good chance it will be), then this won’t be loaded on. 
 

Before recommending an increase the agent will give us a summery of local market conditions. Previously they’ve blamed the Tory party & George Osborne’s tax changes for landlords selling up, the less supply the bigger increase in rents. This time, they blamed the upcoming act for supply issues, and therefore suggested rents are increasing locally as supply tightens. Our rent was slightly below its market value so it also went up to bring it in line for the Rental increases part of the act. 
 

The stupid comment that Agents will recommend increases as they get paid, shows a complete lack of understanding of the industry. The worse thing for an agent is an empty house, as they don’t get a penny in that scenario.

It’s not a woe is me story, it hasn’t changed my circumstances in the slightest. The people affected by it are the tenants, they’re the ones paying for this. Had the Government done nothing, their rent would be cheaper, that’s an absolute fact…

 

My neighbour has 6 properties he rents out, we have 1. One of my sons has 2. My job involves dealing with some of the areas larger property companies/landlords and knowing what is going on with the building & general maintenance trade in the area. Even single person I’ve spoken to has said this government has increased costs on landlords, the government itself has admitted this, the only people who don’t seem to think they have are to be found on here. Supposedly “unbiased” posters 😂

Fucking hell I thought SOG waffled. TLDR

[Lord Duckhunter]

The final word on this should be left to the Government. They conducted an impact assessment on their own policies which concluded 

“It is likely that landlords will pass through some costs of new policies to tenants in the form of higher rents – to offset those costs and maintain profit “

[egg]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The final word on this should be left to the Government. They conducted an impact assessment on their own policies which concluded 

“It is likely that landlords will pass through some costs of new policies to tenants in the form of higher rents – to offset those costs and maintain profit “

What are the policies?

It's not hard. If there are any. 

[iansums]

To be honest, if I walked through a hospital or a council offices, I would get a much more favourable view of the current government. It just highlights the difference between the public and private sector.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, iansums said:

To be honest, if I walked through a hospital or a council offices, I would get a much more favourable view of the current government. It just highlights the difference between the public and private sector.

Lol, what's that in response to?

[iansums]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Lol, what's that in response to?

Sir Ralph's post earlier, couldn't be arsed to quote it. Despite all the debate, none of us really change our views, some of us are on the right, others on the left and then there's Whelk who's in the middle calling everyone a 'cunt'.

Edited 11 hours ago by iansums
typo

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, iansums said:

Sir Ralph's post earlier, couldn't be arsed to quote it. Despite all the debate, none of us really change our views, some of us are on the right, others on the left and then there's Whelk who's in the middle calling everyone a 'cunt'.

I think most of the "left" on here are sat in the middle TBF.

I think Ralph thinks we all work in the public sector, which couldn't be further from the truth.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think most of the "left" on here are sat in the middle TBF.

I think Ralph thinks we all work in the public sector, which couldn't be further from the truth.

i think it's all a load of bollocks and this labelling of you think this so therefore you are that is fucking ridiculous tbh,

Edited 11 hours ago by Turkish

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think most of the "left" on here are sat in the middle TBF.

I think Ralph thinks we all work in the public sector, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Indeed. I think a lot of right leaning folk think that anyone to their left is on the left. Ralph has a unique outlook, bless him. 

[iansums]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Indeed. I think a lot of right leaning folk think that anyone to their left is on the left. Ralph has a unique outlook, bless him. 

I think that goes both ways to be fair. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

i think it's all a load of bollocks and this labelling of you think this so therefore you are that is fucking ridiculous tbh,

Amen to that. Although, left to me, calling a cunt a cunt would be the right thing to do. 

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. I think a lot of right leaning folk think that anyone to their left is on the left. Ralph has a unique outlook, bless him. 

A majority who post regularly on here are on the left to some degree. It’s  reflected in the parties they support. It’s nothing to hide but when people who are on the left say their views generally reflect the centre, that’s when it goes wonky. 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

26 minutes ago, iansums said:

Sir Ralph's post earlier, couldn't be arsed to quote it. Despite all the debate, none of us really change our views, some of us are on the right, others on the left and then there's Whelk who's in the middle calling everyone a 'cunt'.

TBF I don’t call everyone a cunt. I think lots of balance on here generally and not the lefty echo chamber some think it is

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

TBF I don’t call everyone a cunt. I think lots of balance on here generally and not the lefty echo chamber some think it is

It isn’t, it’s generally pretty balanced apart from a minority of people, you know who, who scream “Far right” or “leftie” at anyone who disagrees with them. 🛎️🔚

[Farmer Saint]

36 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It isn’t, it’s generally pretty balanced apart from a minority of people, you know who, who scream “Far right” or “leftie” at anyone who disagrees with them. 🛎️🔚

Exactly this. Good to hear that from a relative "neutral".

[Farmer Saint]

46 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

A majority who post regularly on here are on the left to some degree. It’s  reflected in the parties they support. It’s nothing to hide but when people who are on the left say their views generally reflect the centre, that’s when it goes wonky. 

 

And here-in lies the issue, I don't support a political party, and I would guess many others don't. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Exactly this. Good to hear that from a relative "neutral".

I think you’ll find I’m far right 

[iansums]

15 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think you’ll find I’m far right 

And I’m Islamophobic…….whatever that means 😳

[egg]

3 minutes ago, iansums said:

And I’m Islamophobic…….whatever that means 😳

It was you who called yourself that. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

A majority who post regularly on here are on the left to some degree. It’s  reflected in the parties they support. It’s nothing to hide but when people who are on the left say their views generally reflect the centre, that’s when it goes wonky. 

 

Which again is where you seem to be confused. From what I can see the majority of people here who post regularly vote LibDem. LibDems are centrists. There are also people who don’t seem to have an issue with the politics and attitudes of Trump and Farage, which is where I think it goes “wonky.”  You and people with similar views to you find it hard to defend those kind of extreme views so you have to find a way to deflect. In this case it means pretending that ordinary, normal people who have issues with extreme views from either the left or the right are suddenly painted as “lefties.” 
You would have us believe that the UK and Europe in general faces serious issues from the extreme Left when anybody who has been taken notice will know that the main issue is the rise of the far Right both in the UK and across several European countries.

If there was a real and serious issue with the rise of extreme Left agendas you would not only see me but I am sure the others who you label “Lefties” post against them.

I don’t recall you or your wingman ever coming out against those who are championing far (extreme for those who have problems with the word “far” in this context) right views. In fact all your wingman does is to post laughing emojis on posts that he has a problem with as he seems to have lost the ability to stand up for his views with actual words.

You really do have a problem with centrist views don’t you? Would it help if I told you that Starmer is having problems with many in his party because they think that his policies are too centrist?

 

 

 

[Turkish]

@stevegrant Any chance of a yawn emoji being added?

[sadoldgit]

I see that Daily Mail are now accusing the government on making “an embarrassing u-turn” on the farmed inheritance tax despite slagging them off for months for proposing it in the first place. 
As far as I can see they have not made a u-turn, they have just amended the point at which it becomes effective. Maybe give them some credit for listening, reappraising and reframing the Bill?

[egg]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

I see that Daily Mail are now accusing the government on making “an embarrassing u-turn” on the farmed inheritance tax despite slagging them off for months for proposing it in the first place. 
As far as I can see they have not made a u-turn, they have just amended the point at which it becomes effective. Maybe give them some credit for listening, reappraising and reframing the Bill?

A climb down is akin to u turn. Announcing it after parliament ended is poor form too. 

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, iansums said:

And I’m Islamophobic…….whatever that means 😳

I think am a ‘well documented Islamophobic’. You the sort that doesn’t like terrorists or rapists

[AlexLaw76]

48 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think you’ll find I’m far right 

Mate, no matter how hard you try, Katie Hopkins ain’t bedding you 

[iansums]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

It was you who called yourself that. 

Maybe so, as I said before it’s a made up word IMO. Thankfully you were able to correct me after consulting the UN.

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I see that Daily Mail are now accusing the government on making “an embarrassing u-turn” on the farmed inheritance tax despite slagging them off for months for proposing it in the first place. 
As far as I can see they have not made a u-turn, they have just amended the point at which it becomes effective. Maybe give them some credit for listening, reappraising and reframing the Bill?

This would have been the U-est if U-turns had the previous government did it, yes?

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Mate, no matter how hard you try, Katie Hopkins ain’t bedding you 

a classic 9 pinter, probably more tbh