The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

This is normal behaviour from him. You should have seen him get his knickers in a twist over the two child benefit cap. 

But all my friends are moving to Dubai because inheritance tax innit.

[aintforever]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Using the word "colonised" points to that for me, so have to agree to disagree.

But yes, immigration is too high and integration is too low. As said above, I don't think anyone is arguing against that.

Exactly. Using the word colonised and making up figures. It's a very thin veneer, almost the thin as some on here.

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[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is normal behaviour from him. You should have seen him get his knickers in a twist over the two child benefit cap. Very amusing. 

"I think kids dying is acceptable collateral as long as they are poor kids with feckless parents..."

And you wonder why we think you're a cunt.

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[tdmickey3]

37 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I wonder why the police felt compelled to do it. 
 

 

Check on TikTok 🙄

[tdmickey3]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

"I think kids dying is acceptable collateral as long as they are poor kids with feckless parents..."

And you wonder why we think you're a cunt.

This

[Sir Ralph]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

"I think kids dying is acceptable collateral as long as they are poor kids with feckless parents..."

And you wonder why we think you're a cunt.

As you have put that in quotes you can direct me to where I said that. I’ll abstain from responding to you in the way you respond to me as I have decorum and I wouldn’t lower myself to your poor standards. Put me on ignore. 
 

 

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[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

As you have put that in quotes you can direct me to where I said that. I’ll abstain from responding to you in the way you respond to me as I have decorum and I wouldn’t lower myself to your poor standards. Put me on ignore
 

 

Why don't you put me on ignore? It's why you went into hiding for a long time.

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[Sir Ralph]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why don't you put me on ignore? It's why you went into hiding for a long time.

I’d miss seeing the photos of your garden, bookshelf, car and corporate days out. Couldn’t do that. Anyway enjoy your afternoon 

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[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

100% Agree. Hardship builds character and resilience which there is a big lack of. Our society has changed to protect people from consequence and weak mentality, which has just exacerbated it

Perhaps we should get our own ICE agents on the streets to shoot a few people? That would toughen us up eh?

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The areas they have to lie about why Israeli football fans should be banned from attending.

 

Show the evidence that these areas have been colonised please.

[tdmickey3]

51 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why don't you put me on ignore? It's why you went into hiding for a long time.

He hid because you made a fool of him and he knows it

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[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

I didn’t use the word “colonise” and that isn’t a good word to use in the point he was trying to make.

i think the point some people make is that there are some cities and towns in the Uk where people have settled only in those places and as a result there is a lack of integration in them. The local politics are wholly run by specific groups. This is starting to play out on the national political scene and is influencing the way (and not for the better) in which some political parties, mainly Labour who are in competition for votes in these places, now address certain issues. This is probably why Starmer and Burnham stuck their nose into this. Are you saying this isn’t happening in places?

You supported what Ratcliffe said which was partly lies and partly disingenuous. You seem to get your ing

formation from Trump, his administration, Musk, Farage and his cronies. Where in the UK are there areas that are not run by democratically elected officials. Starmer, Burnham and anyone who opposes racist rhetoric stuck their noses in as you put it because Ratcliffe was taking the same bollocks that Farage talks.

The use of words like invasion and colonisation are what gives the motive away. You are no different, along with the laughing emoji nic. 

Funny isn’t it. When Brits go abroad and settle and take their full English breakfasts and fish n chip shops with them they are called ex Pats not immigrants and you don’t hear complaints about them not learning the language or integrating. Maybe because we have a previous history of Imperialism/colonisation?

If you want to talk about integration then do so. Don’t use the same language used by proven racists and pretend you mean something different.
 

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You supported what Ratcliffe said which was partly lies and partly disingenuous. You seem to get your ing

formation from Trump, his administration, Musk, Farage and his cronies. Where in the UK are there areas that are not run by democratically elected officials. Starmer, Burnham and anyone who opposes racist rhetoric stuck their noses in as you put it because Ratcliffe was taking the same bollocks that Farage talks.

The use of words like invasion and colonisation are what gives the motive away. You are no different, along with the laughing emoji nic. 

Funny isn’t it. When Brits go abroad and settle and take their full English breakfasts and fish n chip shops with them they are called ex Pats not immigrants and you don’t hear complaints about them not learning the language or integrating. Maybe because we have a previous history of Imperialism/colonisation?

If you want to talk about integration then do so. Don’t use the same language used by proven racists and pretend you mean something different.
 

Im ignoring you. No sensible conversation can be had with the terrible threesome if you, Tdmickey and farmer Joe. It’s pointless. Have a great afternoon 

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[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

He hid because yo made a fool of him and he knows it

It's why he asked me to put him on ignore today...that's his standard when he's lost the debate. Throws his toys out the pram and gets annoyed that I've not got him on ignore.

[Farmer Saint]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Perhaps we should get our own ICE agents on the streets to shoot a few people? That would toughen us up eh?

If it was up to Ralph it would only be the poor kids.

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Im ignoring you. No sensible conversation can be had with the terrible threesome if you, Tdmickey and farmer Joe. It’s pointless. Have a great afternoon 

 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Please pop me on ignore. Be best for the both of us

 

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

How's about you fuck off full stop, be best for the whole forum?

Why not put each other on ignore ?;-)

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

 

Why not put each other on ignore ?;-)

Because he needs to see my pictures to understand what he should aspire to.

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Because he needs to see my pictures to understand what he should aspire to.

Symptoms of an unsuccessful man is someone who makes a lot of who they are and feels the need to self promote. People that really are successful don’t feel the need to brag about it. Always a tell tell sign. Tone down the self promotion and it maybe more believable 

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[badgerx16]

23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

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Funny isn’t it. When Brits go abroad and settle and take their full English breakfasts and fish n chip shops with them they are called ex Pats not immigrants and you don’t hear complaints about them not learning the language or integrating. 

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They don't get complaints, or at least don't understand all the mockery and piss taking that happens in the local language they can't he arsed to learn as they sit in their Little England ghettos.

Try being English in rural Wales.

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[Farmer Saint]

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Symptoms of an unsuccessful man is someone who makes a lot of who they are and feels the need to self promote. People that really are successful don’t feel the need to brag about it. Always a tell tell sign. Tone down the self promotion and it maybe more believable 

You're so easy to wind up 😂 this is a fucking forum, no-one knows who I am apart from one person. Promotion is pointless, surely, and even then not sure when I last did any of that anyway?

Also, you're right, wealthy people never show off. There's a great example of that in a rather important job over the pond.

I thought you'd gone for the afternoon anyway?

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[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

You're so easy to wind up 😂 this is a fucking forum, no-one knows who I am apart from one person. Promotion is pointless, surely, and even then not sure when I last did any of that anyway?

Also, you're right, wealthy people never show off. There's a great example of that in a rather important job over the pond.

I thought you'd gone for the afternoon anyway?

Says the biggest self promoter on the forum

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

Says the biggest self promoter on the forum

Tbh mate, I'd suggest you try it as no-one listens to anything you say at the moment.

[sadoldgit]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I believe he currently resides in Monaco, a tax haven?

He has also received something like £120m in subsidies from the British Government. This is tax payers money, many of whom are what he would describe as “colonists.”

[badgerx16]

Isn't a "colonist" somebody who carries out enemas ?

[sadoldgit]

41 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Im ignoring you. No sensible conversation can be had with the terrible threesome if you, Tdmickey and farmer Joe. It’s pointless. Have a great afternoon 

No sensible conversation can be had with someone who shares the same views as Trump and Farage. You share the same myopic desire for malignant capitalism that they do. It’s all about the money and power. Screw the little people, be they children or “colonists.” You conveniently ignore the fact that without the little people, the super rich wouldn’t have their luxurious way of life. 
I bet you and your little laughing friend are gutted that your names don’t appear in the Epstein files. Or perhaps they do? 
Shame you won’t see this though.
😉

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[tdmickey3]

32 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Symptoms of an unsuccessful man is someone who makes a lot of who they are and feels the need to self promote. People that really are successful don’t feel the need to brag about it. Always a tell tell sign. Tone down the self promotion and it maybe more believable 

When are you off to Dubai?

[LeBizzier69]

Wasn’t the most popular boys name Mohammed a year or so ago? 
Does that point to a degree of colonisation?

[hypochondriac]

55 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You supported what Ratcliffe said which was partly lies and partly disingenuous. You seem to get your ing

formation from Trump, his administration, Musk, Farage and his cronies. Where in the UK are there areas that are not run by democratically elected officials. Starmer, Burnham and anyone who opposes racist rhetoric stuck their noses in as you put it because Ratcliffe was taking the same bollocks that Farage talks.

The use of words like invasion and colonisation are what gives the motive away. You are no different, along with the laughing emoji nic. 

Funny isn’t it. When Brits go abroad and settle and take their full English breakfasts and fish n chip shops with them they are called ex Pats not immigrants and you don’t hear complaints about them not learning the language or integrating. Maybe because we have a previous history of Imperialism/colonisation?

If you want to talk about integration then do so. Don’t use the same language used by proven racists and pretend you mean something different.
 

I'm 100% in favour of Spain making a fuss and bringing in tougher laws to protect their native population from ex pats. It's their country and they would be completely within their rights to do so.

[whelk]

33 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Whilst take your point, INEOS have been a huge investor in the UK and created thousand of  jobs

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Wasn’t the most popular boys name Mohammed a year or so ago? 
Does that point to a degree of colonisation?

No, that points to a lot of people called their kid Mohammed.

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Wasn’t the most popular boys name Mohammed a year or so ago? 
Does that point to a degree of colonisation?

The vast majority of boys born to muslim families in the UK will have some variation of that name given to them either as first or second name. If the vast majority of non muslim boys were called Richard the number would be vastly greater. It is just sympthomatic of how names are assigned, generally there are far more "traditional" british names to choose from.

[whelk]

FWIW as a screaming leftie I do think what Jim was trying to say does resonate with many - not teh specific wording. Easy capitalist bogey man but you can’t have 9 million people on benefits. And immigration has been stupidly high and is affecting communities.

Akin to Gordon Brown calling that woman a racist. 

[LeBizzier69]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

No, that points to a lot of people called their kid Mohammed.

Oh ok. 
 

[whelk]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The vast majority of boys born to muslim families in the UK will have some variation of that name given to them either as first or second name. If the vast majority of non muslim boys were called Richard the number would be vastly greater. It is just sympthomatic of how names are assigned, generally there are far more "traditional" british names to choose from.

I disagree and highlights the increase in Muslims is at a much higher rate than non-Muslims.

 

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Oh ok. 
 

Well, the point is that's not colonisation. It's potentially having too many immigrants, but it is not an example of colonisation.

[LeBizzier69]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Well, the point is that's not colonisation. It's potentially having too many immigrants, but it is not an example of colonisation.

Fair enough, just making the point.

 

[sadoldgit]

30 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Wasn’t the most popular boys name Mohammed a year or so ago? 
Does that point to a degree of colonisation?

I am Mohammed, and so is my wife.

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

FWIW as a screaming leftie I do think what Jim was trying to say does resonate with many - not teh specific wording. Easy capitalist bogey man but you can’t have 9 million people on benefits. And immigration has been stupidly high and is affecting communities.

Akin to Gordon Brown calling that woman a racist. 

It's not just immigration obviously, like Jim said it's a welfare Bill that is horrendously high as a result of expectations that the government have to look after and do everything for everyone. A bit like the SEND stuff which has ballooned in recent years to a ridiculous level when really it should be a targeted level of support for those who are at the greatest need. Reducing the welfare bill and resetting expectations of what we expect from government should really be the absolutely priority for government before we talk about things like growth.

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Well, the point is that's not colonisation. It's potentially having too many immigrants, but it is not an example of colonisation.

Whilst it's not colonisation and I don't think that's a good term to use, I am concerned by the rise of Islamic independent MPs in Parliament and what they represent. I can't imagine they will go away any time soon and are likely to grow in number.

[whelk]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I am Mohammed, and so is my wife.

That’s so racist

[iansums]

19 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I am Mohammed, and so is my wife.

What colour is she? Or haven’t you noticed?

[whelk]

FA looking into Ratcliffe’s comments. FFS what have we become!

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

FA looking into Ratcliffe’s comments. FFS what have we become!

Seriously? How insane. 

[egg]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

That these places have been colonised over the last 5 years? No, I do not.

"Colonised refers to the state of a land, people, or organism that has been settled, occupied, and often subjugated by a foreign power or species. It involves establishing political, economic, and social control over an indigenous population or territory."

Stupid word to use.

Agreed. Anyone thinking that using the word "colonised" was acceptable needs to have a bloody good word with themselves.

Excessive immigration, yes, poor integration, yes, but colonisation, no. 

[egg]

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

FA looking into Ratcliffe’s comments. FFS what have we become!

Isn't there a fit and proper person test? As daft as his words were, I'd imagine he's below any threshold for that though. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Isn't there a fit and proper person test? As daft as his words were, I'd imagine he's below any threshold for that though. 

It’s all mental - news cycle obsessed with it, man with no political power says something mildly offensive, PM responds and demands an apology and so everyone jumps on it, everyone asked for quotes, man apologises, man must be investigated. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

It’s all mental - news cycle obsessed with it, man with no political power says something mildly offensive, PM responds and demands an apology and so everyone jumps on it, everyone asked for quotes, man apologises, man must be investigated. 

I hadn't seen the apology. That should be the end of it. 

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

I hadn't seen the apology. That should be the end of it. 

Deflects from Starmer's problems and gives him a chance to look decisive.