The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

A couple of years ago it was “conspiracy” that Labour wanted to bring in digital IDs. 
 

Yet here we are. 

Who said that? Link please.

[Osvaldorama]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm hoping he's just a wind-up as not sure he can genuinely believe what he is writing. If he does he's a great example of everything that is wrong with this country.

I am not sure what about my posts is winding you up. But I assure you that I’m just a person that wants the best for the country, and everyone in it. 
 

To me that is free market capitalism, founded upon strong morals and ethics. Free speech and free debate are fundamental to that, which is why I strongly object to starmer’s authoritarian streak. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

I am not sure what about my posts is winding you up. But I assure you that I’m just a person that wants the best for the country, and everyone in it. 
 

To me that is free market capitalism, founded upon strong morals and ethics. Free speech and free debate are fundamental to that, which is why I strongly object to starmer’s authoritarian streak. 

I'm not wound up by any means, I mean you're doing it as a joke to create an argument.

Again, I've asked you for examples of the thousands of people arrested for criticising the government and not committed an offence and you're yet to do that. Be good if you could please 👍

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not wound up by any means, I mean you're doing it as a joke to create an argument.

Again, I've asked you for examples of the thousands of people arrested for criticising the government and not committed an offence and you're yet to do that. Be good if you could please 👍

 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Again, give me some links and some examples. Numbers are irrelevant. Only the 4th time I've asked.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, give me some links and some examples. Numbers are irrelevant. Only the 4th time I've asked.

He thinks context is a double glazing company in Waterlooville.

[Osvaldorama]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Who said that? Link please.

Digital IDs have been a “conspiracy theory” for years. 

It’s been a political point as far back as the 1950s, when the conservatives removed a form of ID after WW2.

There's a philosophical view that in the absence of ID cards, the individual is the owner of their identity, the state asks for evidence of identity as needed.

ID cards (& now digital ID) shift that, identity becomes something that is owned by, and awarded by, the state.

Moving from no state issued ID to a state issued ID fundamentally changes the relationship between the individual and the state. The state is now the source and arbiter of identity, not the individual.

The next part of the conspiracy, once the ID is in place, is that they will then introduce social credit scores, and link it to a CBDC (central bank digital currency) in order to control what you can spend. 

We’ll see if that materialises next….

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, give me some links and some examples. Numbers are irrelevant. Only the 4th time I've asked.

Wait, you're telling me a random bar chart taken from Twitter with zero context isn't irrefutable evidence?

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, give me some links and some examples. Numbers are irrelevant. Only the 4th time I've asked.

That graphic is misleading. A quick search reveals that the 12183 figure also includes arrests made under Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988, which outlaws sending indecent, offensive, or threatening letters and electronic messages with the intent to cause distress or anxiety.

The data doesn't differentiate between these and arrests made under the more recent legislation, so it's impossible to say how many of them are 'for social media activity'.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

Digital IDs have been a “conspiracy theory” for years. 

It’s been a political point as far back as the 1950s, when the conservatives removed a form of ID after WW2.

There's a philosophical view that in the absence of ID cards, the individual is the owner of their identity, the state asks for evidence of identity as needed.

ID cards (& now digital ID) shift that, identity becomes something that is owned by, and awarded by, the state.

Moving from no state issued ID to a state issued ID fundamentally changes the relationship between the individual and the state. The state is now the source and arbiter of identity, not the individual.

The next part of the conspiracy, once the ID is in place, is that they will then introduce social credit scores, and link it to a CBDC (central bank digital currency) in order to control what you can spend. 

We’ll see if that materialises next….

They're not a "conspiracy theory". Do you know what a "conspiracy theory" is?

Is a Passport or a driving license not a government issued ID by the way?

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

That graphic is misleading. A quick search reveals that the 12183 figure also includes arrests made under Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988, which outlaws sending indecent, offensive, or threatening letters and electronic messages with the intent to cause distress or anxiety.

The data doesn't differentiate between these and arrests made under the more recent legislation, so it's impossible to say how many of them are 'for social media activity'.

Shhh, I'm giving him the rope...

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

That graphic is misleading. A quick search reveals that the 12183 figure also includes arrests made under Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988, which outlaws sending indecent, offensive, or threatening letters and electronic messages with the intent to cause distress or anxiety.

The data doesn't differentiate between these and arrests made under the more recent legislation, so it's impossible to say how many of them are 'for social media activity'.

Also, can't be 1988, as surely Labour must have come up with these new arrest laws?

[badgerx16]

22 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

There's a philosophical view that in the absence of ID cards, the individual is the owner of their identity, the state asks for evidence of identity as needed.

 

The World must be a terribly overbearing totalitarian mess, as, according to Wikipedia, the only countries that do not have national ID cards, whether compulsory or voluntary, are Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Canada, Nauru, New Zealand, Tuvalu and the UK.

[Farmer Saint]

Wonder if we'll see people rioting in the streets after this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgld0vywpmo