Solving the Immigration Problem

[Farmer Saint]

24 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

An estimated 60 thousand African men have invaded a Spanish territory, and left the locals living in fear of their lives as they run amok, and still the left will cry racist at anyone that even condones this or shares articles about it from a source that doesn’t align with their liberal ideologies.

Imagine this was Gibraltar where this was happening, would the left condone the invasion of a British territory then? No probably not, they’d just claim that we’re being manipulated by the media and it’s just desperate families fleeing persecution.

Sorry, what are the left condoning here? Don't think anyone is saying this is a good thing, or that locals shouldn't feel threatened.

[Turkish]

24 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

An estimated 60 thousand African men have invaded a Spanish territory, and left the locals living in fear of their lives as they run amok, and still the left will cry racist at anyone that even condones this or shares articles about it from a source that doesn’t align with their liberal ideologies.

Imagine this was Gibraltar where this was happening, would the left condone the invasion of a British territory then? No probably not, they’d just claim that we’re being manipulated by the media and it’s just desperate families fleeing persecution.

When you add in their wives and children that’s a lot of people but on the flip side it’s a lot of doctors and engineers so it’ll be a highly educated society which can only strengthen there culture 

[pingpong]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

When you add in their wives and children that’s a lot of people but on the flip side it’s a lot of doctors and engineers so it’ll be a highly educated society which can only strengthen there culture 

It's only 12,000, you need to read past the headline.

[Turkish]

Just now, pingpong said:

It's only 12,000, you need to read past the headline.

12000 including their wives and kids? Didn’t see any on the videos must have there somewhere or coming later once they’ve found homes and jobs 

[Osvaldorama]

[Osvaldorama]

4 hours ago, egg said:

I think some of us have a less binary view of the political spectrum of you and a few others. Your opinion that anyone left of your thinking is a raving leftie is pretty tragic.

IMO, you and many others in the UK in recent years just have a lack of understanding of what left and right actually are. 
 

Ideas that you consider “centrist” are actually extremely left wing views. But that’s a failing of UK schools tbh 

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

An estimated 60 thousand African men have invaded a Spanish territory, and left the locals living in fear of their lives as they run amok, and still the left will cry racist at anyone that even condones this or shares articles about it from a source that doesn’t align with their liberal ideologies.

 

I'm "left" and take offence at your insinuation.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Assuming that's a verified image?

[Osvaldorama]

7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Assuming that's a verified image?

A man was stabbed in the neck, shops looted, houses broken in to. 
 

I know it doesn’t fit your narrative though 

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

IMO, you and many others in the UK in recent years just have a lack of understanding of what left and right actually are. 
 

Ideas that you consider “centrist” are actually extremely left wing views. But that’s a failing of UK schools tbh 

Jesus, this guy 🤣

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Osvaldorama said:

A man was stabbed in the neck, shops looted, houses broken in to. 
 

I know it doesn’t fit your narrative though 

I don't have a narrative in regards to this in anyway, apart from it's fucking awful.

[Osvaldorama]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I don't have a narrative in regards to this in anyway, apart from it's fucking awful.

Your narrative, along with a few on here,, the EU and theBritish government ,  has been “there is no issue with immigration, anyone that mentions it is far right” 

 

Well here we are. The inevitable outcome of woke ideology. 

[whelk]

I bet some of the left on here don’t believe that we’ve had no rain this month. So gullible

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Your narrative, along with a few on here,, the EU and theBritish government ,  has been “there is no issue with immigration, anyone that mentions it is far right” 

 

Well here we are. The inevitable outcome of woke ideology. 

That has never been my narrative, so stop making shit up.

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

I bet some of the left on here don’t believe that we’ve had no rain this month. So gullible

These thick as pig shit individuals, honestly. The number of times we've said immigration is too high in innumerable. Can't help him though, he's in so deep we can only just see his ankles out the back of Farage's massive arsehole.

Edited 4 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

12 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Your narrative, along with a few on here,, the EU and theBritish government ,  has been “there is no issue with immigration, anyone that mentions it is far right” 

 

Well here we are. The inevitable outcome of woke ideology. 

Plenty have said there is an issue. With successive governments not doing enough over decades to change the perception of the UK being a soft touch. This has led us to where we are now.

Not sure why you're building a narrative of left versus right. This ain't the US of A.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, pingpong said:

48,000 have gone back already.  So it's only 12,000. Braverman says it is inevitable we will get an influx, but it is going to be a percentage of a small percentage who makes it here, hardly worth the fuss they are making.

And this attitude is why we have the problem

[Gloucester Saint]

21 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can't help him though, he's in so deep we can only just see his ankles out the back of Farage's massive arsehole.

Quite a few meltdowns on here at Farage’s own meltdown. 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Quite a few meltdowns on here at Farage’s own meltdown. 

And a few meltdowns at the meltdowns about Farages meltdown 

[badgerx16]

34 minutes ago, whelk said:

I bet some of the left on here don’t believe that we’ve had no rain this month. So gullible

Whilst the "right" will blame Burnham.

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

And a few meltdowns at the meltdowns about Farages meltdown 

At what point do we reach the China Syndrome ?

[whelk]

46 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Plenty have said there is an issue. With successive governments not doing enough over decades to change the perception of the UK being a soft touch. This has led us to where we are now.

Not sure why you're building a narrative of left versus right. This ain't the US of A.

It’s the only way they can feel superior. Need to paint everyone as extreme as can’t actually debate with reason

[whelk]

50 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

These thick as pig shit individuals, honestly. The number of times we've said immigration is too high in innumerable. Can't help him though, he's in so deep we can only just see his ankles out the back of Farage's massive arsehole.

Think this one has a penchant for Lowe’s arsehole

[Gloucester Saint]

36 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

At what point do we reach the China Syndrome ?

It’s like Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and Fukushima combined, I tell yer’

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, whelk said:

Think this one has a penchant for Lowe’s arsehole

Someone's arsehole, that's for sure.

[Turkish]

57 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

At what point do we reach the China Syndrome ?

Lighthouse will order a forum lockdown and everyone will comply like sheep

[Osvaldorama]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

These thick as pig shit individuals, honestly. The number of times we've said immigration is too high in innumerable. Can't help him though, he's in so deep we can only just see his ankles out the back of Farage's massive arsehole.

Farage is weak sauce. 
 

Need Rupert Lowe or even someone more economically right wing to give the country any chance of staying a first world country. 

I’d argue it’s already too late, though. I think the slippery slope to a third world country is already too far gone. The maths, demographics and welfare state are only leading one way. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

IMO, you and many others in the UK in recent years just have a lack of understanding of what left and right actually are. 
 

Ideas that you consider “centrist” are actually extremely left wing views. But that’s a failing of UK schools tbh 

In football, if you stand still, you fall behind.

In politics, if you stay centrist, you become an extreme left wing commie sympathiser.

That's what I was telling @egg and @Gloucester Saint at our liberal socialist workers meeting, the other night. It was nice to catch up with @sadoldgit too, now we all align.

[Gloucester Saint]

57 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Lighthouse will order a forum lockdown and everyone will comply like sheep

One more clip posted of Gavin Bazunu letting a shot through his body for Doncaster v Bromley should do it.

[egg]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

IMO, you and many others in the UK in recent years just have a lack of understanding of what left and right actually are. 
 

Ideas that you consider “centrist” are actually extremely left wing views. But that’s a failing of UK schools tbh 

Fuck me, I think you must be American and have this odd belief that liberal views are left wing. 

You obviously have a simple left / right view of politics. 

If you follow this link:

https://www.google.com/

And type in "explain the centre ground of UK politics to me as I don't get it", a whole new world will be revealed. 

Think if it as the sea of grey between your black and white understanding. 

 

[egg]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Assuming that's a verified image?

It was on X mate - what more verified is there than that? 

[Sir Ralph]

Genuine question - what measures has the EU put in place to disincentivise illegal immigration.  I assume EU countries have to abide by their laws so what has the EU done, including trying to influence international law?

[Sir Ralph]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Fuck me, I think you must be American and have this odd belief that liberal views are left wing. 

You obviously have a simple left / right view of politics. 

If you follow this link:

https://www.google.com/

And type in "explain the centre ground of UK politics to me as I don't get it", a whole new world will be revealed. 

Think if it as the sea of grey between your black and white understanding. 

 

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.
 

On the balance of probability there has to be some on here. Maybe that is as a result of a perception that their views are actually centrists, even though they aren’t really. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Osvaldorama]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.
 

On the balance of probability there has to be some on here. Maybe that is as a result of a perception that their views are actually centrists, even though they aren’t really. 

As I said, it’s because they literally can’t define what left and right are. “Centrist” views on here are actually mostly socialist and left wing. 
 

But they can’t handle this so they throw insults when you point it out 

[Gloucester Saint]

Two more small boats pilots banged up, that’s 10 in a very short space of time since the legislation making it a criminal offence https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6d8m1y3y9o

Channel crossings down 42% on last year yet the sea conditions have been better.

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Your narrative, along with a few on here,, the EU and theBritish government ,  has been “there is no issue with immigration, anyone that mentions it is far right” 

 

Well here we are. The inevitable outcome of woke ideology. 

You’re just talking complete bollocks as usual, all the main parties recognise the problem, just disagree on how to deal with it.

[Sheaf Saint]

17 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.

I'm Lefticus!

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, aintforever said:

You’re just talking complete bollocks as usual, all the main parties recognise the problem, just disagree on how to deal with it.

 

You do spout absolute drivel. Farage and Lowe have been called all sorts of names for highlighting this issue. 
 

Stop rewriting history 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

 

[whelk]

I swear I just saw one of those escaped Moroccans in my back garden. If only that “one murder” in Scotland hadn’t infringed my rights to properly protect myself with an AK47.

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.
 

On the balance of probability there has to be some on here. Maybe that is as a result of a perception that their views are actually centrists, even though they aren’t really. 

Lol. Big brave boy admitting it. Everything you post indicates your leanings. I think you confuse left with being realist not gullible enough to think there are simple solutions to everything.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

You do spout absolute drivel. Farage and Lowe have been called all sorts of names for highlighting this issue. 
 

Stop rewriting history 

No, they haven't.

They have been rightly criticised for jumping on a bandwagon and using deliberately provocative language to convince people with a pre-existing bias against immigrants in general that they actually give a shit about it, in order to gain populist support.

Literally nobody is suggesting there isn't an issue. Just some people shout louder about it than others.

 

[egg]

30 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.
 

On the balance of probability there has to be some on here. Maybe that is as a result of a perception that their views are actually centrists, even though they aren’t really. 

You keep saying this. In your left/right world anyone who isn't aligned with your views is left. You're assessment is based on your erroneous understanding. 

[egg]

21 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

As I said, it’s because they literally can’t define what left and right are. “Centrist” views on here are actually mostly socialist and left wing. 
 

But they can’t handle this so they throw insults when you point it out 

Left of centre on some issues, sure, but socialist and left wing is altogether different. 

How did the research go? 

[aintforever]

23 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

You do spout absolute drivel. Farage and Lowe have been called all sorts of names for highlighting this issue. 
 

Stop rewriting history 

What the fuck is ‘Stop the Boats’ and ‘Smash the Gangs’ if it not recognising the issue?

Pretty much everyone, bar a few loons in the Green Party, is not happy with the small boats problem. The likes of Farage and Lowe rightly get criticism because they incite hatred because it benefits their own political aims.

[Osvaldorama]

15 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

No, they haven't.

They have been rightly criticised for jumping on a bandwagon and using deliberately provocative language to convince people with a pre-existing bias against immigrants in general that they actually give a shit about it, in order to gain populist support.

Literally nobody is suggesting there isn't an issue. Just some people shout louder about it than others.

 

😂 absolute nonsense. Labour, Lib Dem’s, greens, Tories all downplayed these issues for YEARS. 

 

You are re-writing history there massively. Your own post gives it away. Almost no one has a “pre-existing bias against immigrants”. 
 

We have the evidence of our own eyes of decades of failed policies making the country worse, and virtue signalling wankers telling people they are racist for asking basic, common sense questions. 
 

The outcome of all of these do-gooders is what we are seeing in Spain. (And continuing to see here with the boats) 

Suicidal empathy. 

[badgerx16]

57 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Just an observation- those on the right on this forum admit they are. Nobody has admitted to be on the left.
 

 

I have, several times.

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

You do spout absolute drivel. Farage and Lowe have been called all sorts of names for highlighting this issue. 
 

 

Because they are cunts, who actually despise the people they court for support.

[whelk]

20 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

😂 absolute nonsense. Labour, Lib Dem’s, greens, Tories all downplayed these issues for YEARS. 

 

You are re-writing history there massively. Your own post gives it away. Almost no one has a “pre-existing bias against immigrants”. 
 

We have the evidence of our own eyes of decades of failed policies making the country worse, and virtue signalling wankers telling people they are racist for asking basic, common sense questions. 
 

The outcome of all of these do-gooders is what we are seeing in Spain. (And continuing to see here with the boats) 

Suicidal empathy. 

Now you’re getting scared about what is going on in Spain. Stoic you are not