Solving the Immigration Problem

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Let's look at the people that do arrive. 

Choices:.

1. Accomodated.

2. Left to wander, sleeping wherever and disappearing from the system.

Which one? If 2, are you ok with them kipping in the field outside your house? I'd prefer they were odd the streets. 

Throw in No NHS, no money, no phones, no day trips, no place to stay, no HMOs, no free anything

I suspect that may go some way to remove many of the incentives to come in the first place.

I would stop them in the Channel, but you would not entertain that idea....you wont enertain the above, so guess we are stuck with asking them nicely to not rape our kids.

What a time to be alive 

[egg]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Throw in No NHS, no money, no phones, no day trips, no place to stay, no HMOs, no free anything

I suspect that may go some way to remove many of the incentives to come in the first place.

I would stop them in the Channel, but you would not entertain that idea....you wont enertain the above, so guess we are stuck with asking them nicely to not rape our kids.

What a time to be alive 

Ok. So, hypothetically, someone who has yet to be approved staggers into a&e, heart attack, stabbed, appendix popped, whatever. What do the medics do, step over them and leave them to die? If you're there with your kids, is that the kind of society you want them to see? 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, egg said:

Ok. So, hypothetically, someone who has yet to be approved staggers into a&e, heart attack, stabbed, appendix popped, whatever. What do the medics do, step over them and leave them to die? If you're there with your kids, is that the kind of society you want them to see? 

Hypothetically, if they dont throw their passport in the sea they could come here legally, perhaps?

[Osvaldorama]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Four murder arrests after baby girl dies while camping with family in Staffordshire | UK News | Sky News

 

Any riots planned or are the "we want our country back" protesters waiting to find out the colour of the despicable offenders

Another spectacularly low IQ post. Congrats 

[tdmickey3]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

https://www.hampshire.police.uk/news/hampshire/news/news/2026/september/man-charged-with-offences-including-rape-and-stalking-in-portsmouth

It was actually a 14 year old boy

 

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

And the link to the Engish people’s crime and asking why aren’t they protesting against that give us Bingo

welll done Micky 

Balances out yours i guess, both utterly disgusting.

Well done Turkey

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Ok. So, hypothetically, someone who has yet to be approved staggers into a&e, heart attack, stabbed, appendix popped, whatever. What do the medics do, step over them and leave them to die? If you're there with your kids, is that the kind of society you want them to see? 

You are straw manning an argument as lefties so often love to do. 

There are countless middle ground suggestions between leaving people to die, and actively giving them as many freebies as possible.  
 

[Osvaldorama]

24 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

Balances out yours i guess, both utterly disgusting.

Well done Turkey

Surely even someone as thick as you can see that Turkish’s post, which happened in the area where the boats are landing, by an unvetted migrant, is more relevant than a horrific crime elsewhere. 
 

Also, just wait until you hear the background of the perpetrators in the one you linked. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Ok. So, hypothetically, someone who has yet to be approved staggers into a&e, heart attack, stabbed, appendix popped, whatever. What do the medics do, step over them and leave them to die? If you're there with your kids, is that the kind of society you want them to see? 

I think you can use a bit of common sense. A general rule that handouts are kept to a minimum with the very basics provided for. Even prisoners receive medical care for example. The tiny amount of migrants who are children would obviously be treated differently. People who cross the channel can be held securely but also treated with fairness and not inhumane conditions whilst it is also made clear to them that what they have done is an illegal act and they will not be allowed to stay in this country and receive handouts. Then work to remove as many of them as possible in as short a time as possible. There should be no truck with human rights lawyers stopping planes at the eleventh hour or anything like that. Look into third party countries if necessary in the rare cases where their home countries wilfully refuse. Once that was working properly and I mean the majority of them out quickly then word will soon spread and they won't attempt it to the same level again.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

Surely even someone as thick as you can see that Turkish’s post, which happened in the area where the boats are landing, by an inverted migrant, is more relevant than a horrific crime elsewhere. 
 

Also, just wait until you hear the background of the perpetrators in the one you linked. 

Did he rape him whilst standing on his head?

[egg]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Hypothetically, if they dont throw their passport in the sea they could come here legally, perhaps?

What's the answer to my question? 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You are straw manning an argument as lefties so often love to do. 

There are countless middle ground suggestions between leaving people to die, and actively giving them as many freebies as possible.  
 

Simple question mate... difficult answer though, hence you ignored it. 

Answer in your own time. 

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Surely even someone as thick as you can see that Turkish’s post, which happened in the area where the boats are landing, by a unvetted migrant, is more relevant than a horrific crime elsewhere. 
 

Also, just wait until you hear the background of the perpetrators in the one you linked. 

They are both utterly despicable but i guess you will wait until you hear to be outraged or not depending on the perpetrators origin.

Vile human

[tdmickey3]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think you can use a bit of common sense. A general rule that handouts are kept to a minimum with the very basics provided for. Even prisoners receive medical care for example. The tiny amount of migrants who are children would obviously be treated differently. People who cross the channel can be held securely but also treated with fairness and not inhumane conditions whilst it is also made clear to them that what they have done is an illegal act and they will not be allowed to stay in this country and receive handouts. Then work to remove as many of them as possible in as short a time as possible. There should be no truck with human rights lawyers stopping planes at the eleventh hour or anything like that. Look into third party countries if necessary in the rare cases where their home countries wilfully refuse. Once that was working properly and I mean the majority of them out quickly then word will soon spread and they won't attempt it to the same level again.

This

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Another spectacularly low IQ post. Congrats 

Try arguing your point without resorting to playground insults - it undermines your credibility.

[badgerx16]

Nige says dressing up in balaclavas and paramilitary style clothing is not going to solve anything.

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Nige says dressing up in balaclavas and paramilitary style clothing is not going to solve anything.

But he wants cold hard rage

[Osvaldorama]

10 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

They are both utterly despicable but i guess you will wait until you hear to be outraged or not depending on the perpetrators origin.

Vile human

Moron. 

I am outraged by all crimes, because I want to live in a better country. You however are trying to score points by posting random other heinous crimes. 

[iansums]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Nige says dressing up in balaclavas and paramilitary style clothing is not going to solve anything.

All face coverings should be banned IMO, except for medical reasons.

Edited 7 hours ago by iansums
typo

[Osvaldorama]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Simple question mate... difficult answer though, hence you ignored it. 

Answer in your own time. 

You’re just so boring. 
 

Someone makes a valid point, you respond with a hypothetical extreme point, and pretend not to understand the main point being made. Every time.
 

It’s like talking with a child 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

You asked me how do i know there is a solution, well that's one isnt it. So there is a solution, it might one no one likes but is one. 

PS dont see many women and kids on the boats, do you?

But how is that a solution? How do you do that? This is not name a solution, it's explain a solution. How would it actually work?

Edited 7 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

That’s because it’s a waste of time to have that conversation. 
 

Anyone with an IQ of above 80 can write a list of hundreds of possible solutions.

Ah, so that's why you're struggling.

[tdmickey3]

9 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Moron. 

I am outraged by all crimes, because I want to live in a better country. You however are trying to score points by posting random other heinous crimes. 

If you are outraged as you claim you would post as such but you don`t because are vile

 

[iansums]

8 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You’re just so boring. 
 

Someone makes a valid point, you respond with a hypothetical extreme point, and pretend not to understand the main point being made. Every time.
 

It’s like talking with a child 

To be fair, talking to an egg does sound a little boring.

[hypochondriac]

I think there's extremists on both sides of this issue. On one hand you've got open borders people and people who want to offer these guys handouts and help to make themselves feel like good people not realising that this just makes the problen worse and let's the horrible ones commit more awful crimes. 

On the other side you've got people who consider all these people to be vile rapists and extremists who want them all assaulted the minute they step off a dinghy. Like egg says, that doesn't deal with any of the practical realities of how to deal with the problem once they arrive and realistically you'll never stop them completely. 

The vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle. They don't want these people here and they would prefer they went home but they don't want to treat them with no humanity. They recognise they are a drain on the public purse and potentially a danger to the public but they realise that assaulting the police over it is futile. They see everything costing more, more and more British people struggling and then a load of people arriving in a dinghy and receiving free stuff is the most obvious example of unfairness. Given the choice, most people in the middle would like this dealt with in a sensible way and that means winning the PR war. Treating migrants fairly but firmly, not giving them an overly pleasant experience in this country and doing what is necessary to make it less attractive to make the journey. All that can be achieved if there was the political will to do so.

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You’re just so boring. 
 

Someone makes a valid point, you respond with a hypothetical extreme point, and pretend not to understand the main point being made. Every time.
 

It’s like talking with a child 

Pathetic.

So no answer, just rudeness.

Best get yourself to Pompey mate, people at your level there. 

 

[iansums]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

If you are outraged as you claim you would post as such but you don`t because are vile

 

Is this your new, favourite adjective? You are working through that dictionary.

[tdmickey3]

10 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

You’re just so boring. 
 

Someone makes a valid point, you respond with a hypothetical extreme point, and pretend not to understand the main point being made. Every time.
 

It’s like talking with a child 

Balaclava boy, losing it

 

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, iansums said:

Is this your new, favourite adjective? You are working through that dictionary.

Only for him and his ilk , unless you have any suggestions

Edited 6 hours ago by tdmickey3

[Challenger]

National referendum,  happy to welcome these poor, unfortunate people into our country or they're filth, kick them out.

Vote the former, then you help support them, welfare, employment, criminal costs if they offend.

Vote latter, you pay nowt.

Can't be arsed to vote, then you're deemed to be on the support side.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

53 minutes ago, egg said:

I get that. That defeats the purpose of asylum.

Quite. Safety and preference are not the same thing.

We’ll need some compromise for the partnership to work with France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany, but I don’t give a toss if their relatives are here illegally already.

[iansums]

13 minutes ago, Challenger said:

National referendum,  happy to welcome these poor, unfortunate people into our country or they're filth, kick them out.

Vote the former, then you help support them, welfare, employment, criminal costs if they offend.

Vote latter, you pay nowt.

Can't be arsed to vote, then you're deemed to be on the support side.

 

This post doesn't apply to me.

[skintsaint]

4 hours ago, egg said:

The French all but escorted that Pompey boat into our waters. What were then supposed to do with it?

Tow it back into French waters?

Aussies do it with no mucking around : https://osb.homeaffairs.gov.au/Pages/TurnBack.aspx

Edited 6 hours ago by skintsaint

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Throw in No NHS, no money, no phones, no day trips, no place to stay, no HMOs, no free anything

I suspect that may go some way to remove many of the incentives to come in the first place.

I would stop them in the Channel, but you would not entertain that idea....you wont enertain the above, so guess we are stuck with asking them nicely to not rape our kids.

What a time to be alive 

Why do you get so angry about us spending money we don't have to on migrants when you wilfully enable benefits cheats?

[Farmer Saint]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think there's extremists on both sides of this issue. On one hand you've got open borders people and people who want to offer these guys handouts and help to make themselves feel like good people not realising that this just makes the problen worse and let's the horrible ones commit more awful crimes. 

On the other side you've got people who consider all these people to be vile rapists and extremists who want them all assaulted the minute they step off a dinghy. Like egg says, that doesn't deal with any of the practical realities of how to deal with the problem once they arrive and realistically you'll never stop them completely. 

The vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle. They don't want these people here and they would prefer they went home but they don't want to treat them with no humanity. They recognise they are a drain on the public purse and potentially a danger to the public but they realise that assaulting the police over it is futile. They see everything costing more, more and more British people struggling and then a load of people arriving in a dinghy and receiving free stuff is the most obvious example of unfairness. Given the choice, most people in the middle would like this dealt with in a sensible way and that means winning the PR war. Treating migrants fairly but firmly, not giving them an overly pleasant experience in this country and doing what is necessary to make it less attractive to make the journey. All that can be achieved if there was the political will to do so.

This post wins the thread. Good job Hypo.

[Gloucester Saint]

One aspect that’s been missed is that the boats have sailed the same route as Brittany Ferries. That’s 4-5 longer, and a lot more treacherous than from Calais to Dover.

It shows how desperate the smugglers are and how little they value those on those little rafts.

Can see a major sinking coming up if the forecast suddenly changed mid-sail which happens in early autumn on longer routes. 

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Tow it back into French waters?

Aussies do it with no mucking around : https://osb.homeaffairs.gov.au/Pages/TurnBack.aspx

It's a long way for the Aussies to tow them back into French waters.

Also, they don't, they tow them back to the country of departure, rather than just back into "waters". We used to have this option, but now we're out of the EU we don't.

[Osvaldorama]

33 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think there's extremists on both sides of this issue. On one hand you've got open borders people and people who want to offer these guys handouts and help to make themselves feel like good people not realising that this just makes the problen worse and let's the horrible ones commit more awful crimes. 

On the other side you've got people who consider all these people to be vile rapists and extremists who want them all assaulted the minute they step off a dinghy. Like egg says, that doesn't deal with any of the practical realities of how to deal with the problem once they arrive and realistically you'll never stop them completely. 

The vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle. They don't want these people here and they would prefer they went home but they don't want to treat them with no humanity. They recognise they are a drain on the public purse and potentially a danger to the public but they realise that assaulting the police over it is futile. They see everything costing more, more and more British people struggling and then a load of people arriving in a dinghy and receiving free stuff is the most obvious example of unfairness. Given the choice, most people in the middle would like this dealt with in a sensible way and that means winning the PR war. Treating migrants fairly but firmly, not giving them an overly pleasant experience in this country and doing what is necessary to make it less attractive to make the journey. All that can be achieved if there was the political will to do so.

Good post, and I think mostly spot on. 
 

The only thing I would say that you missed is - no police were assaulted last night or in Dover. Anyone that was there or knows people that were knows that the majority of protestors are every day working people & parents that are concerned at how things are going.

There’s a concerted campaign by the state & media to portray anyone with concerns on these issues as “far right” and “aggressive”, which the champagne socialists in your first paragraph tend to gobble up.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Tow it back into French waters?

Aussies do it with no mucking around : https://osb.homeaffairs.gov.au/Pages/TurnBack.aspx

I'm not sure it's that simple. If it is, no issue for me. That Pompey boat yesterday was a disgrace - monitored (escorted) out of french waters and left as our problem. 

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's a long way for the Aussies to tow them back into French waters.

Also, they don't, they tow them back to the country of departure, rather than just back into "waters". We used to have this option, but now we're out of the EU we don't.

All helped but Mr "stop the boats" Farage

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

Balances out yours i guess, both utterly disgusting.

Well done Turkey

Turkey?! That is brilliant, how long did it take you to come up with that one!!!

The point of my post was that the protests happened the day after an Iraqi man was charged with rape of a child, which perhaps explains why they happened in the first place or so many were there. No a "yeah but.." post like yours

[Turkish]

53 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But how is that a solution? How do you do that? This is not name a solution, it's explain a solution. How would it actually work?

No you asked me how i knew there was a solution, that is one. So there are solutions, just because it's one no one wants doesn't mean it isnt a solution.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Good post, and I think mostly spot on. 
 

The only thing I would say that you missed is - no police were assaulted last night or in Dover. Anyone that was there or knows people that were knows that the majority of protestors are every day working people & parents that are concerned at how things are going.

There’s a concerted campaign by the state & media to portray anyone with concerns on these issues as “far right” and “aggressive”, which the champagne socialists in your first paragraph tend to gobble up.

I think you'll find the vast majority of the public have concerns about this issue. It's consistently one of the top issues that the public cares about often above the cost of living. I have sympathies with people who have been negatively impacted by mass immigration. I think the government can do more like I've outlined to reduce the problem. The issue is that before that happens, getting some bloke on a live stream to call for backup and having hundreds of people travel to be intimidating and get in a standoff with police isn't going to actually do anything productive. The migrants still got in last night and are still part of the system. There should be actual protests calling for the introduction of detention centres and the speeding up of processing rather than calling for something unachievable which is the stopping of the boats through other means.

Basically the sooner that people accept that it's impossible to actually stop the boats and concentrate on removing the issue as quickly as possible, the better off everyone will be. Including Danny Tommo and his lads.

Edited 6 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No you asked me how i knew there was a solution, that is one. So there are solutions, just because it's one no one wants doesn't mean it isnt a solution.

But how is that a solution? I could just say "Jelly" without explaining. How is nukes a solution?

[skintsaint]

19 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Also, they don't, they tow them back to the country of departure, rather than just back into "waters". We used to have this option, but now we're out of the EU we don't.

They send them back to Indonesia from where they launched from. Admittedly, they don't physically tow them anymore. But they use methods such as below.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/australasia/article/australia-sending-asylum-seekers-indonesia-gps-boats-dz988vshr

 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, skintsaint said:

They send them back to Indonesia from where they launched from. Admittedly, they don't physically tow them anymore. But they use methods such as below.

https://www.thetimes.com/world/australasia/article/australia-sending-asylum-seekers-indonesia-gps-boats-dz988vshr

 

Yes, but what's to stop France towing them or sending them back? It'll be like the fucking Chuckle Brothers as they are not either of our countries responsibilities.

[badgerx16]

49 minutes ago, Challenger said:

National referendum,  happy to welcome these poor, unfortunate people into our country or they're filth, kick them out.

Vote the former, then you help support them, welfare, employment, criminal costs if they offend.

Vote latter, you pay nowt.

Can't be arsed to vote, then you're deemed to be on the support side.

 

Didn't Brexit promise that we would "Take back control" ?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Didn't Brexit promise that we would "Take back control" ?

That's all we need, fuckwits in this country making another decision about something they don't understand.

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But how is that a solution? I could just say "Jelly" without explaining. How is nukes a solution?

It would stop the boats, pretty obvious isn’t it?

[badgerx16]

"A six-year-old boy has been allegedly racially assaulted by two older children in a park, police have said.

Lancashire Police said a "racist word had been written on his forehead and arm with a marker pen" at 18:30 BST on Saturday, in Harpers Recreation Ground, Chorley"

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gj8714j25o

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It would stop the boats, pretty obvious isn’t it?

But how? What are you nuking and where? Just explain your thinking.

Edited 5 hours ago by Farmer Saint