The Reform Thread

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6 minutes ago, egg said:

Thanks for the answer. Personally, I think that as a nation we're better than housing people in tents. Somewhere between that and homes/hotels feels to be the right kind of balance for me - some sort of dormitory type system with proper amenities. 

I could get behind that. Optically housing them around the country in hotels is a disaster. Far better off investing in a large and secure dormitory type building and processed as quickly as possible. The important thing is to remove as much of the incentive as possible to come here so it reduces the numbers of people making the journey. 

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16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Former Border force chief, someone who clearly knows his stuff, rather sceptical of Starmers “smash the gangs” approach. Seems to imply we’ll need to a Rwanda type scheme to have any hope of tackling this, and claims officers on the ground are frustrated but can’t speak out. 

 

 

I got bored with him after 7 minutes as he talks nonsense. Suggesting pro immigration bias by UK Judges is ridiculous. Those Judges enforce the law. His issue, plainly, is the law which he describes as archaic and wants to be 'smashed up'. He's a bloke with a view on immigration who blames laws which don't support his outlook. 

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11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I could get behind that. Optically housing them around the country in hotels is a disaster. Far better off investing in a large and secure dormitory type building and processed as quickly as possible. The important thing is to remove as much of the incentive as possible to come here so it reduces the numbers of people making the journey. 

Unusually, we agree. Ultimately we will see asylum granted to many entrants so the numbers won't drop off hugely imo, but we seem to be very attractive for whatever reason. 

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24 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Bibby Stockholm?

Nah, needs to be outside space. 

Hope the recovery is going well, and that the class A's are taking the edge off the pain. 

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

Unusually, we agree. Ultimately we will see asylum granted to many entrants so the numbers won't drop off hugely imo, but we seem to be very attractive for whatever reason. 

Which is why we also need to reduce numbers of legal migration as well. We need to take more of a medium to long term view, increase wages for jobs that Brits 'won't do', massively increase training for important jobs that we need, incentivise greater integration by largely removing public spending on translators and only allow people to live here if they are contributing financially with employment that we actually need. 

Labour are doing some of the right things in my opinion by trying to slash waste in the NHS but people need to feel that things are improving, that health outcomes are better, that they are more likely to get a doctors or dentists appointment and that every single public service isn't over stretched and at breaking point. A big part of that is due to levels of immigration and that's before we start talking about low trust societies and cultural damage by the levels creating enclaves. 

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Which is why we also need to reduce numbers of legal migration as well. We need to take more of a medium to long term view, increase wages for jobs that Brits 'won't do', massively increase training for important jobs that we need, incentivise greater integration by largely removing public spending on translators and only allow people to live here if they are contributing financially with employment that we actually need. 

Labour are doing some of the right things in my opinion by trying to slash waste in the NHS but people need to feel that things are improving, that health outcomes are better, that they are more likely to get a doctors or dentists appointment and that every single public service isn't over stretched and at breaking point. A big part of that is due to levels of immigration and that's before we start talking about low trust societies and cultural damage by the levels creating enclaves. 

Pretty much my thoughts. Legal migration needs to be controlled, and based on our needs. Done well it'll solve lots of skills shortages, and address the concerns of the sensible public.

Net migration of circa 3/4 of a million is completely unsustainable. That's more than the population of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Eastleigh combined added to our population every single year. Frightening, and our infrastructure and public purse cannot deal with that. Illegal entry makes up only a small % of that though, and is much more difficult to police than legal entrants.