Should Saints Sack Tonda?

[Whitey Grandad]

9 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Don't ask me. I'd have told the EFL and the so-called "independent" panel to prove it and for "Gibbo" to buy a fence. Saints and some supporters need to get off their knees.

WhatsApp messages. Allegedly. 

[Midfield_General]

12 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Don't ask me. I'd have told the EFL and the so-called "independent" panel to prove it and for "Gibbo" to buy a fence. Saints and some supporters need to get off their knees.

They did have proof. They presented it. Which is why we got thrown out. 

Have you actually been following this at all?

Not that really they needed it mind, after that dickhead Phil ‘Half Term’ Parsons marched up to Gibson and admitted it in front of a room full of people before he’d even consulted a lawyer.

Edited 1 hour ago by Midfield_General

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

They did have proof. They presented it. Which is why we got thrown out. 

Proof of a minor breach of a silly rule that didn't define a punishment. We got thrown out because "Gibbo" has friends in high places at the EFL, Saints went for a daft plea bargain and the "independent" panel had a conflict of interests that resulted in a punishment far outside any precedent or reasonableness.

If you'd been following this at all then you'd know all that.

[AlexLaw76]

3 minutes ago, obelisk said:

Proof of a minor breach of a silly rule that didn't define a punishment. We got thrown out because "Gibbo" has friends in high places at the EFL, Saints went for a daft plea bargain and the "independent" panel had a conflict of interests that resulted in a punishment far outside any precedent or reasonableness.

If you'd been following this at all then you'd know all that.

my word. No wonder Boro fans having a look on this place think we are insane.

[obelisk]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

No wonder Boro fans having a look on this place think we are insane

"Gibbo" and his fans will be looking at this place and laughing at the surrendering self-immolation displayed by some. Presumably you'll be applauding the sporting chaps at 'Boro when they turn up at St Mary's next season before expecting Saints to throw the game as a measure of their ongoing guilt.

As I said, get a grip. 

[trousers]

35 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

my word. No wonder Boro fans having a look on this place think we are insane.

Unhinged. It's "unhinged" FFS. Get it right bro...

[trousers]

36 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

my word. No wonder Boro fans having a look on this place think we are insane.

 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Wouldn’t it be interesting to find out that Taylor instigated the spying initially and then used his intel when operating for Boro? Probably not true, but stranger things as they say…

[gio1saints]

16 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Sadly my friend, it's more likely than not that the FA will use this chance to go in two footed on saints (and therefore look like they are doing something to protect the game), because they won't tackle serious offenders (due to corruption or cowardice). Smaller and less connected clubs have always been easy pickings in the UK, and saints have never been that well liked by the establishment. I have been one of the most vocal for tonda to stay, but even I expect deep down for us to get bent over... And with that, I fully expect the FA to drag it out as long as possible and blow up our summer / pre season plans. Wouldn't be that  surprised if they go after spors, or even try to install an external over sight committee of our scouting/analytics departments to boot.

Blood is in the water, saints look weak and vulnerable, people will take us for all they can in any aspect of the footballing world. It's on the club to be robust and stand up to that, and so far there have been precious few signs of that happening (at least that we can publically see).

(I'm a cheerful soul aren't I 🤣🫣)

You are probably right - BUT - I seem to recall the FA are currently undertaking investigations into extensive FFP cheating.
 

By League Champions, FA Cup Winners, League Cup Winners , even Workd Club Champions. 

 

The EPL Teams under investigation have gained x higher places worth tens and ultimately hundreds of millions of pounds in extra prize money sponsorship endorsement shirt sales etc from it.
 

IF a precedent of enormous instant sanction is or has been created by this Saints verdict and the FA “ follows through two footed “ as you say on Saints then do you not think that EPL teams that finished behind / below or runners up or knocked out by the “ cheats - if it’s proven) might feel this means that the FA are going to be consistent in this get tough approach and argue that what these other clubs did was unfair, against spirit of the game, bringing its integrity into dispute etc - that it  was in fact CHEATING - and ONLY the harshest sanctions SHOULD BE IMPOSED?

 

The FA might fall into that trap if they go two footed on Saints. At present they have wiggle room. Not if they smash Saints though. Man City in Northern Premier League next season Chelsea in the Southern, big derby with Woking fc! 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, obelisk said:

Proof of a minor breach of a silly rule that didn't define a punishment. We got thrown out because "Gibbo" has friends in high places at the EFL, Saints went for a daft plea bargain and the "independent" panel had a conflict of interests that resulted in a punishment far outside any precedent or reasonableness.

If you'd been following this at all then you'd know all that.

Jesus christ  🤦‍♂️

Please could you share your views on chemtrails?

Edited 21 minutes ago by Midfield_General

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 minute ago, gio1saints said:

You are probably right - BUT - I seem to recall the FA are currently undertaking investigations into extensive FFP cheating.
 

By League Champions, FA Cup Winners, League Cup Winners , even Workd Club Champions. 

 

The EPL Teams under investigation have gained x higher places worth tens and ultimately hundreds of millions of pounds in extra prize money sponsorship endorsement shirt sales etc from it.
 

IF a precedent of enormous instant sanction is or has been created by this Saints verdict and the FA “ follows through two footed “ as you say on Saints then do you not think that EPL teams that finished behind / below or runners up or knocked out by the “ cheats - if it’s proven) might feel this means that the FA are going to be consistent in this get tough approach and argue that what these other clubs did was unfair, against spirit of the game, bringing its integrity into dispute etc - that it  was in fact CHEATING - and ONLY the harshest sanctions SHOULD BE IMPOSED?

 

The FA might fall into that trap if they go two footed on Saints. At present they have wiggle room. Not if they smash Saints though. Man City in Northern Premier League next season Chelsea in the Southern, big derby with Woking fc! 

I don’t think the FA have the time or money to take these clubs to the cleaners, despite the undoubted need. What I’m hoping is that if the FA go “two-footed” into Saints we are readying the very best legal representation to go nuclear on both the FA and particularly the EFL/Boro. We’ve taken a huge disproportionate punishment already - any further sanctions could have irreparable consequences for the club. I find it hard to fathom how any true Saints fan can honestly be in favour of this.

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

Jesus christ  🤦‍♂️

He had a pretty severe punishment for something minor too. 

[CB Fry]

56 minutes ago, obelisk said:

"Gibbo" and his fans will be looking at this place and laughing at the surrendering self-immolation displayed by some. Presumably you'll be applauding the sporting chaps at 'Boro when they turn up at St Mary's next season before expecting Saints to throw the game as a measure of their ongoing guilt.

As I said, get a grip. 

What the fuck are you talking about?

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

What the fuck are you talking about?

Thought it was obvious myself but let me try an analogy.

Suppose it was the last minute in the Boro v Saints 1st leg with the scores at 0-0. A goal-bound shot comes in and a Saints defender punches it away off the line. The ref doesn't see it and the offence goes unpunished. Does that cheating have more or less obvious influence on the outcome of the game than a bloke standing by a tree less than 72 hours before a game? Would the EFL step in to reverse the result? If the head coach denies seeing what was obvious to camera evidence would the FA charge him or ban him?

Would fans be publicly beating themselves with whips and declaring that the whole team be banished from the league? Or would we all just get a grip and get on with our lives?