Channon's Sideburns Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) Firstly to the Echo... Make your ****ing mind up how you are going to report things at StMarys.. 1. The Pink on Saturday - big coverage of the protest, estimating over a thousand attending. Sitting on the fence reporting, but honest. 2. The Echo - Monday - small coverage of the protest (not everyone buys the Pink) - changes their tune - Front Page Headline 'The Sweet and the Sour'. Basically, praising the fans inside the ground, but then describing the protesters as 'The Sour' - also, they decided that there wasn't 1000 or more, in fact just 'several hundred' protesters. The Echo also forgot that the main majority of the protesters (myself included) actually went into the ground and supported the team for 90 minutes. I really think that Ian Murray (Editor) may have had a phone call from the Skiing Resorts over the weekend...why else would they suddenly try to play everything down??? === Secondly, Wotte. Stop using your interviews to take sly little digs at the fans - you did it on Sky, on BBC, and ITV. You may well have your own head up Rupert's ar$e - keep your mind on winning us some games instead - you don't understand. You're playing on a sticky wicket. === Thirdly, and finally, the Stewards on Sat. Now I understand they are only doing their job, and probably under orders, but to act like the ****ing gestapo when an 'Anti Rupert' banner turns up in the Northam is out of order. Didn't see you all move so ****ing quick when Swansea got theirs out did we??? === Finally, thanks to Mary Corbett for attending on Sat, managed to have a quick chat with her during the march and she said that she wouldn't have missed it for the world...pity such dedication to the cause wasn't matched by the PLC Chairman eh? Well done to Connor and the lads for arranging the protest, also well done to Perry McMillan for helping them out as well - what we saw during the protest was THE spirit of Southampton FC. Rant over...feel better now. Edited 3 February, 2009 by Channon's Sideburns Too many 'mates' for some people...;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Good for you ! Wotte must be careful not to lose the support of the fan base, if he does that he is a dead man walking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I didn't realise Wotte was a mate of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I didn't realise Wotte was a mate of yours. You don't understand mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I didn't realise Wotte was a mate of yours. Believe me, I wouldn't want to be Doc...not in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 The banner required a fire certificate for it to be taken into the stadium - 'kin priceless, they still wouldn't let it in after we told them it said 'WE LOVE LOWE - PLEASE STAY' :smt022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 i hate stewards, most of them anyway ...(think a lot of them might have been bullied as kids) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Firstly to the Echo... Make your ****ing mind up how you are going to report things at StMarys.. 1. The Pink on Saturday - big coverage of the protest, estimating over a thousand attending. Sitting on the fence reporting, but honest. 2. The Echo - Monday - small coverage of the protest (not everyone buys the Pink) - changes their tune - Front Page Headline 'The Sweet and the Sour'. Basically, praising the fans inside the ground, but then describing the protesters as 'The Sour' - also, they decided that there wasn't 1000 or more, in fact just 'several hundred' protesters. The Echo also forgot that the main majority of the protesters (myself included) actually went into the ground and supported the team for 90 minutes. I really think that Ian Murray (Editor) may have had a phone call from the Skiing Resorts over the weekend...why else would they suddenly try to play everything down??? === Secondly, Wotte. Stop using your interviews to take sly little digs at the fans - you did it on Sky, on BBC, and ITV. You may well have your own head up Rupert's ar$e - keep your mind on winning us some games instead - you don't understand. You're playing on a sticky wicket. === Thirdly, and finally, the Stewards on Sat. Now I understand they are only doing their job, and probably under orders, but to act like the ****ing gestapo when an 'Anti Rupert' banner turns up in the Northam is out of order. Didn't see you all move so ****ing quick when Swansea got theirs out did we??? === Finally, thanks to Mary Corbett for attending on Sat, managed to have a quick chat with her during the march and she said that she wouldn't have missed it for the world...pity such dedication to the cause wasn't matched by the PLC Chairman eh? Well done to Connor and the lads for arranging the protest, also well done to Perry McMillan for helping them out as well - what we saw during the protest was THE spirit of Southampton FC. Rant over...feel better now. would have been bit strange if he had gone on the march? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 i hate stewards, most of them anyway ...(think a lot of them might have been bullied as kids) No that's the police (the bullies), the stewards were the ones holding the bully's coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon 84 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 For what its worth C/S you have just posted what i was thinking, i was looking forward to buying the echo on Monday & quickly felt disappointed & let down with there response towards the protests. Again saw the interview on the championship with wotte & thought he could've chosen his words a bit more carefully. And finally please don't get me started on the stewarding at st mary's!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 You're allowed to take flags in that are under 6ft x 4ft without a fire certificate (had that direct from the Safety Officer). As for the Echo, I think it is safe to say that The Daily Echo have been in cahoots with the Club since last summer. At times you haven't been able to get a fag paper between them!!!! A shame realy as the Echo were always fairly even handed in their reporting, but this season they've been as cringeable as the OS at times. To some degree I can accept the propaganda spewed out by the OS, but the local paper should have a degree of independence and credibility about it. IMHO Simon Carter is out of the loop here, as he's the only one to have written anything remotely critical, and the real issue rests withhis boss Ian Murray. Can anyone point out when that number of people last marched through the City Centre???? They normally give a double page spread to 50 people fighting against a mobile phone mast, but probably the city's largest march in years gets scant coverage (and minimal publicity beforehand as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Good for you ! Wotte must be careful not to lose the support of the fan base, if he does that he is a dead man walking tbh i dont think he ever had it,the majority never wanted him and he certainly wasnt the best option available.........in way he has nothing to lose because imo he will not be around long enough to worry about upsetting the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Good for you ! Wotte must be careful not to lose the support of the fan base, if he does that he is a dead man walking when did he have the support in the first place..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 As for the Echo, I think it is safe to say that The Daily Echo have been in cahoots with the Club since last summer. At times you haven't been able to get a fag paper between them!!!! A shame realy as the Echo were always fairly even handed in their reporting, but this season they've been as cringeable as the OS at times. Not for the first time, our perceptions of reality appear to be entirely different. I would say that the Echo has been entirely consistent in its otherwise ****poor reporting of matters Saints. From the moment Wilde first purchased his shares, the Echo has been entirely pro Wilde and surely you will recall the myriad of articles it wrote slanted as 'anti-Lowe' and how it span everything it wrote to be anti-Lowe (something you should recognise) and pro-Wilde (again, I do recall a few posts from you promoting Wilde). The fact that the Echo remains pro-Wilde may well be a surprise, given its ability to change horses with the blink of an eye. But the fact that it has not changed horses as quick as you or at a blink of your eye hardly makes it cringeable. Just my two pennies. Is there a game tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Whether the Pink or the Echo were right about the number of protesters, there were another 16,000 people in the SMS on Saturday who were not on the protest. Even allowing that some of them would also blame either this board, or the last one , or the one before that, for the club's position, that still leaves a lot of Saints fans who want nothing to do with protests and are sick and tired of the blame culture. The players and staff of this club will be able to concentrate better on the job in hand if there are no distractions and there is whole-hearted support in the SMS. Its true that the anti-Lowe stuff is not as overpowering as it was a few years ago, but neither is the support for the team from the crowd. Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. Good luck to Mark Wotte, and if all people like Channons Sideburns can do is slag him off before he's even lost a match, then the club would be better of if people with that attitude stayed away entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Secondly, Wotte. Stop using your interviews to take sly little digs at the fans - you did it on Sky, on BBC, and ITV. You may well have your own head up Rupert's ar$e - keep your mind on winning us some games instead - you don't understand. You're playing on a sticky wicket. I thought his comments were nothing short of disgraceful. His main gripe seems to be that we came close to relegation last season and Rupert wasn't here then so how can it be his fault? Does this man really know that little about the recent history of our club? I know he is Lowe's puppet but to risk alientaing the entire fan base to stick up for him in this way is a very dangerous game. Just for your information Mr Wotte... Lowe appointed Burley who dragged us close to relegation last season. Then Pearson, who was not appointed by Lowe, came in and instilled enough fight and spirit in the team to keep them up. Then Lowe came back and promptly got rid of Pearson, purely because he didn't appoint him in the first place, and brings in you and your pal Mr Portaloo, who between you have dragged us even closer to relegation than Lowe's last appointed manager did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Whether the Pink or the Echo were right about the number of protesters, there were another 16,000 people in the SMS on Saturday who were not on the protest. Even allowing that some of them would also blame either this board, or the last one , or the one before that, for the club's position, that still leaves a lot of Saints fans who want nothing to do with protests and are sick and tired of the blame culture. The players and staff of this club will be able to concentrate better on the job in hand if there are no distractions and there is whole-hearted support in the SMS. Its true that the anti-Lowe stuff is not as overpowering as it was a few years ago, but neither is the support for the team from the crowd. Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. Good luck to Mark Wotte, and if all people like Channons Sideburns can do is slag him off before he's even lost a match, then the club would be better of if people with that attitude stayed away entirely. Oh dear....Prof missing the point...again. Prof, one of the points you miss is that the 16k or so you mention was inflated to that by the 3k Swansea contingent...the same fans who applauded the marchers... The remaining 13k in the ground (or the Season Tickets 'sold' - remember the attendance figure doesn't actually check if the Season Ticket Holders actually attend or not) may not have heard about the protests... The protesters (myself included) gave our wholehearted support during the match, and guess what, no Anti-Lowe songs were sung either... If you saw the TV coverage, whether it was BBC, ITV, or Sky (THEY thought it was an event) - you cannot say it didn't give a cross section of fans their chance to vent their views...young children to retired, including pets. Especially as the AGM was a farce. A lot of Saints fans inside SMS have simply had the stuffing knocked out of them by this incompetent mix of regimes, neither of which has delivered on their promises... Do we still have a Total Football Revolution? No. We never had one to begin with - it was running a Football Club like you would run a 'Pound Shop' - that's a retail establishment for those that can't afford Fortnum and Masons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Whether the Pink or the Echo were right about the number of protesters, there were another 16,000 people in the SMS on Saturday who were not on the protest. Even allowing that some of them would also blame either this board, or the last one , or the one before that, for the club's position, that still leaves a lot of Saints fans who want nothing to do with protests and are sick and tired of the blame culture. The players and staff of this club will be able to concentrate better on the job in hand if there are no distractions and there is whole-hearted support in the SMS. Its true that the anti-Lowe stuff is not as overpowering as it was a few years ago, but neither is the support for the team from the crowd. Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. Good luck to Mark Wotte, and if all people like Channons Sideburns can do is slag him off before he's even lost a match, then the club would be better of if people with that attitude stayed away entirely. MATHS a bit wrong 17500 in total , 3500 Swansea only makes 14000 Saints fans present. The crowd would have been completely silent without the protestors who are the vocal fans at SMS, NOT those in the corporate or centre Itchen , suggest you get those miserys to sing a bit louder or even start singing would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Whether the Pink or the Echo were right about the number of protesters, there were another 16,000 people in the SMS on Saturday who were not on the protest. Even allowing that some of them would also blame either this board, or the last one , or the one before that, for the club's position, that still leaves a lot of Saints fans who want nothing to do with protests and are sick and tired of the blame culture. The players and staff of this club will be able to concentrate better on the job in hand if there are no distractions and there is whole-hearted support in the SMS. Its true that the anti-Lowe stuff is not as overpowering as it was a few years ago, but neither is the support for the team from the crowd. Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. Good luck to Mark Wotte, and if all people like Channons Sideburns can do is slag him off before he's even lost a match, then the club would be better of if people with that attitude stayed away entirely. Absolutely spot on. Lets just hope that thsoe who brave the slight dusting of sleet that seems to bother so many actually get involved in what really matters - the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I thought his comments were nothing short of disgraceful. His main gripe seems to be that we came close to relegation last season and Rupert wasn't here then so how can it be his fault? Does this man really know that little about the recent history of our club? I know he is Lowe's puppet but to risk alientaing the entire fan base to stick up for him in this way is a very dangerous game. Just for your information Mr Wotte... Lowe appointed Burley who dragged us close to relegation last season. Then Pearson, who was not appointed by Lowe, came in and instilled enough fight and spirit in the team to keep them up. Then Lowe came back and promptly got rid of Pearson, purely because he didn't appoint him in the first place, and brings in you and your pal Mr Portaloo, who between you have dragged us even closer to relegation than Lowe's last appointed manager did. Lol, GB was appointed by RL and kept on by the Wilde bunch and LC. NP may be a god to you but he is not to me.He did an adequate job and took us very close to relegation. From a person who views us from afar and saw that when he came in we were closer to the play offs and when he managed his last game for us we stayed up on the last day , they would perhaps think that he was not thebees knees. Yes he is doing very well at Leicester but that is no guarentee he'd do any good anywhere else. The fans on the march saturday did it with dignity and are universally respected for that, but dont get all precious if the rest of the world are not that interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Absolutely spot on. Lets just hope that thsoe who brave the slight dusting of sleet that seems to bother so many actually get involved in what really matters - the game.] how can it be spot on , he cannot even get the attendance right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Absolutely spot on. Lets just hope that thsoe who brave the slight dusting of sleet that seems to bother so many actually get involved in what really matters - the game. ] how can it be spot on , he cannot even get the attendance right I think his middle name is Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. Did you go to the match??? As I have to say I thought the atmosphere and support (given the numbers) was pretty good. I'm sure the battling performance by the players got the fans going, but I also think some of the passion from the march also transferred itself on to the terraces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Good for you ! Wotte must be careful not to lose the support of the fan base, if he does that he is a dead man walking Totally agree. Without intending to sound provocatively cynical, I have heard from a few "associates" that he is pretty arrogant. From having seen a smattering of interviews, I am inclined to agree but I will reserve judgement until a few more post match interviews. However, from what I have heard so far (initial indicators), Wotte seems well up Rupert's arse and in with that weird, murky managerial set-up that no-one is allowed to talk about...Kim van der Waals, etc. Wotte's comments have been quite disrespectful for such a sensitive stage of the season and, in the current climate, he wants to tread VERY carefully. We've more than enough arrogance at St Mary's without him adding to it. Sadly, SFC management don't seem to regard the fans particularly highly. Choosing to patronize fans and negate responses to burning issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Whether the Pink or the Echo were right about the number of protesters, there were another 16,000 people in the SMS on Saturday who were not on the protest. Oh dear. Back to your old ways of typing comments without engaging brain. Leaving out the Swansea contingent which took up their entire allocation, a large proportion of those marchers also watched the match, my son and me included. And the Echo were definitely wrong on their estimates, as a cursory glance at the video of the marches on YouTube would easliy demonstrate. Slack journalism from an incompetent rag, as usual. There were well over a thousand marchers and I'd personally have estimated it as over two thousand Even allowing that some of them would also blame either this board, or the last one , or the one before that, for the club's position, that still leaves a lot of Saints fans who want nothing to do with protests and are sick and tired of the blame culture. You are not entitled to make any assumptions without concrete evidence to support it. All the people on the march can be counted as against Lowe and the board. All those who did not march cannot be counted as for them. The players and staff of this club will be able to concentrate better on the job in hand if there are no distractions and there is whole-hearted support in the SMS. Where was there any demonstration inside the stadium? Did you see any? I certainly didn't and I sit in the heart of the Northam where most of it would be seen and heard if there was any protest. Its true that the anti-Lowe stuff is not as overpowering as it was a few years ago, Really? Was there a large march last time? The main protest then was at the Ipswich match where the vast majority of those in the stadium stood up to show they wanted Lowe gone. That doesn't take much effort on the part of the demonstrators, does it? but neither is the support for the team from the crowd. Has it not occurred to you that this time around several have already voted with their feet and boycott the club whilst Lowe remains?Otherwise support for the team might well be lessened because they are the youth team from last season that could be watched for free and the manager (JP) was an uninspiring nonentity Fans can help the team by more vocal support, but its harder to do that if there is so much negativity about the club amongst the crowd. The negativity could be overturned instantly. All it requires is an announcement from Mr Lowe stating that he is stepping down from the Chairmanship and selling his shares. Just watch the negativity disappear in a flash. Whilst he remains, so will the negativity. Good luck to Mark Wotte, and if all people like Channons Sideburns can do is slag him off before he's even lost a match, then the club would be better of if people with that attitude stayed away entirely. That is indeed the next plan. All those who want Lowe gone will stay away en masse. Bravo, Prof, you're ahead of the game for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Professor obviously likes pompous, arrogant prats- i.e -Lowe, and probably Van Gaal clone [ in arrogance , and not ability] Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I would say that the Echo has been entirely consistent in its otherwise ****poor reporting of matters Saints. So we're in agreement then that the current reporting is **** poor and will have to agree to disagree over the quality and impartiality of their past reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Well done Wes Tender and I was also there on Saturday. The atmosphere was actually the best that I have seen this season. Us marching supporters took our high spirits into the stadium and made a big impact. If I was going to use the ID "Professor" I would hope to be able to use a few brain cells when posting. Obviously maths is not one of his subjects. The whole scenario on Saturday was good and I am anticipating a bigger showing for Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte's almost lost the fan base - it'll only take a poor performance and a defeat to fix everyone's attention back on how ****e our management structure is. As for the Echo.... tut tut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte's almost lost the fan base - . ok..how the hell do you know and when did he have the fans on side in the first place..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 This is a simple conumdrum to solve. Stop buying the Echo and judge Wotte on his results and not what he says. Coronary avoided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 This is a simple conumdrum to solve. Stop buying the Echo and judge Wotte on his results and not what he says. Coronary avoided Yes but that would take away the outrage and misery. People seem to like a good wodge of misery to wallow in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 ok..how the hell do you know and when did he have the fans on side in the first place..? Good point. The 'Wotte is a winner' threads that fill the Echo and messageboards indicate the vast confidence in the man. Wotte. Saints Legend. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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