NickG Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 (edited) http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/samgreen/blog/2009/02/05/southampton_are_suffering_but_is_there_an_alternative_to_rupert_lowe Southampton go to Watford on Saturday for a relegation scrap few would have predicted last August. Mr Unpopular: But who could replace Rupert Lowe at If the Saints lose, they could find themselves five points below the dreaded dotted line, having played at least one more game than most of the rivals. I won't say their supporters will then be fearing the worst, because they quite clearly have been doing so for some time. They have been making the news this week by staying away (setting a new record for the lowest league crowd at St Mary's, beating the mark set just last October) and by taking their frustrations to the city centre last Saturday. Between 300 and 1,000 fans protested before the 2-2 draw with Swansea, depending on whether you believe the police or the organisers. Strength of feeling in the city was reflected by some of the furious responses on the Daily Echo website, which was criticised for even reporting that, as is the norm, the two bodies had offered different figures. Chairmen Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde have borne the brunt of the fury, the latter the subject of a death threat. Certainly, as the club have come to resemble an everything-must-go, closing-down store, those at the top must take responsibility. For his part, Lowe is adamant the club's difficulties are largely the result of mismanagement by those who took over after his initial spell was ended in 2006, under the chairmanship of Leon Crouch. But whoever you believe, the playground politics that have engulfed the St Mary's boardroom in recent years have been pretty shameful. And let us not forget, Lowe is the man who was apparently considering handing managerial duties over to Sir Clive Woodward and Simon Clifford. Judging by the 'Wotte joke' banners on display on Saturday, the choice of Dutch coach Mark Wotte to replace his countryman Jan Poortvliet as manager is not popular. With administration looming, few doubt Wotte is simply the cheap option. But it is important that Southampton's fans ensure they direct their frustrations at those they hold responsible off pitch, and get behind those wearing the red and white stripes on the grass. Protest can lead to positive change at a football club, as it did at the club I support, fellow south coasters Brighton. But it can be a long and arduous road. And during the struggle to remove Bill Archer and his cronies from Brighton, the fans backed a team that, under Steve Gritt, overturned an 11-point deficit to escape relegation from the Football League on the final day of the season. Relegation may be starting to look inevitable for Southampton, but nothing is done until it is mathematically confirmed. Another factor to consider is who could replace Lowe and Wilde? It's all very well raging for something to be torn down, but is there a constructive alternative? At Brighton we had **** Knight, who ironically is now a target of some frustrated Albion fans. Is there anyone ready to step in and save Southampton? Edited 5 February, 2009 by exit2 Added Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Can you reference this please Nick. Cutting and Pasting entire pieces is frowned upon in the legal vs 'net world, especially without a link to the original site. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Ponty is it not legal if you post with the owner's/poster's permission? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Yes, it is. If that's the case, that's fine. It should say so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGF Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/samgreen/blog/2009/02/05/southampton_are_suffering_but_is_there_an_alternative_to_rupert_lowe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Keith would never have dreamed of cutting and pasting articles when he ran S4E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 He once warned me by PM for a sexist comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 He once warned me by PM for a sexist comment I seem to recall receiving sevaral PMs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 He once warned me by PM for a sexy comment it's not that kind of forum though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Another factor to consider is who could replace Lowe and Wilde? It's all very well raging for something to be torn down, but is there a constructive alternative? One of the most telling paragraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Why not do what most companies do and advertise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 One of the most telling paragraphs. In the same way that we go out and recruit a manager, why don't we go out and recruit a suitably qualified CEO??? If the major shareholders had the vision and will then it would be eminently possible to go and recruit someone else. I'm certainly not advocating we just sit around and wait for a sugar daddy, I'm suggesting we go and recruit a competent CEO and maybe a unifying Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 In the same way that we go out and recruit a manager, why don't we go out and recruit a suitably qualified CEO??? If the major shareholders had the vision and will then it would be eminently possible to go and recruit someone else. I'm certainly not advocating we just sit around and wait for a sugar daddy, I'm suggesting we go and recruit a competent CEO and maybe a unifying Chairman. Great idea but the main shareholders the 3 amigos would have to approve and then insist on interviewing the candidates...What you would get is a clone of Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 There's no other option but to find an alternative to Lowe. Lowe is such a hindrance to club finances when it comes to fans paying to watch games that his position is untenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 we all know he will only go if 1) Wilde changes his mind 2) new investor comes in 3) Crouch comes up with the requested £6m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 we all know he will only go if 1) Wilde changes his mind 2) new investor comes in 3) Crouch comes up with the requested £6m You never know, he might surprise us by resigning in the summer when we've been relegated. He supposedly offered his resignation when we got relegated last time but in that instance it was a token gesture as he knew the resignation would not be accepted. I wonder if it would be rejected again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 a bit of head hunting wouldnt do any harm,there is always an alternative.......i dont know what or who that is.the shareholders havnt given us the best oppurtunity to survive in this league,they think they are giving us the best oppurtunity to survive administration to protect their investments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 There's no other option but to find an alternative to Lowe. Lowe is such a hindrance to club finances when it comes to fans paying to watch games that his position is untenable. Well, it will be if the mass boycott achieves any real measure of support. I'm sure that the support for the boycott would increase substantially if we lose to Watford on Saturday, along with the pressure on Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 If we wait till relegation I am pretty sure Lowe will go voluntarilly, who to replace him is anyones guess perhaps Saltz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 But it is important that Southampton's fans ensure they direct their frustrations at those they hold responsible off pitch, and get behind those wearing the red and white stripes on the grass. Protest can lead to positive change at a football club, as it did at the club I support, fellow south coasters Brighton. But it can be a long and arduous road. And during the struggle to remove Bill Archer and his cronies from Brighton, the fans backed a team that, under Steve Gritt, overturned an 11-point deficit to escape relegation from the Football League on the final day of the season. I hope that some people on here, and everyone at at St Mary's, takes this to heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 There's no other option but to find an alternative to Lowe. Lowe is such a hindrance to club finances when it comes to fans paying to watch games that his position is untenable. Has the price increased to watch us since Lowe has come back? I think no is your answer so why are you using a lie to vent your anger at the man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 When you say 'what alternative is there to Lowe ?' an uninvolved observer might conclude that Rupert was somehow reluctantly forced back to rescue the club against his wishes and that he was 'Hobson's Choice' , regulars on here will understand this was not the case - far from it . We had an alternative Chairman (Leon Crouch) in place and doing a fairly good job IMO , he was ousted by a Lowe/Wilde conspiracy in furtherance of their own ambitions/vendettas and thus it is they who must carry the lions share of the blame for the 'train crash' this once great club has become . The mismanagement this club has suffered from since their return is little short of a crime , I find it hard to imagine why any true Saints fan would advocate the continuation of the Lowe/Wilde regime . As for how SFC is run in the future with both relegation and Administration looking a virtual certainty (sooner rather than later I would have thought) that will be a question for the new owners to answer - presuming we find someone that is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 What would some arsehole in the Telegraph know about the activities of the board at Southampton. Thye know nothing about our club Ruperts track record is one of complete failure on any business measure ,share price, profit/loss, number of customers, sales of merchandise, core product, etc etc Every measure you might use to examine a company on would show failure. The company is near to bankruptcy and he cannot avoid blame as he has been in charge for the majority of the time. Who else to take over well we will see one day when Mr 6% is finally ousted or somebody shoots him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Ruperts track record is one of complete failure on any business measure ,share price, profit/loss, number of customers, sales of merchandise, core product, etc etc Every measure you might use to examine a company on would show failure. This is why I can't understand that anyone actually still supports him (apart from the ones who depend upon him remaining in power to uphold their own positions). Any other business, anywhere in the world, he'd have been out on his ear years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 What would some arsehole in the Telegraph know about the activities of the board at Southampton. Thye know nothing about our club Ruperts track record is one of complete failure on any business measure ,share price, profit/loss, number of customers, sales of merchandise, core product, etc etc Every measure you might use to examine a company on would show failure. The company is near to bankruptcy and he cannot avoid blame as he has been in charge for the majority of the time. Who else to take over well we will see one day when Mr 6% is finally ousted or somebody shoots him.I think a lot of what you say is valid.Without a doubt had we stayed in the PL this would not be an issue now, but s### happens and for a lot of reasons we went down, some due to him. he was ousted by the Wilde bunch when he was struggling to cut the costs of a PL club that had built up its structure after 27years in the top league.You cannot do that immediately as we could have gone straight back up. Allegedly when he was ousted there was £m's in our account and then the new lot who followed (it doesnt matter who ) then were reckless. Football first was the cry and i recall many saying 'lets go for it and worry later' wellwe lost the shirt off our backs due to spinning the roulette wheel and now RL has returned and getting the blame all over.Yes he made a big mistake in my eyes by keeping Jan too long and I worry that Wotte will not make things better, but the people who went in the past have a lot to answer for as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I seem to recall receiving sevaral PMs too. He once banned me but I was allowed back by popular demand by fellow mongtards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I think a lot of what you say is valid.Without a doubt had we stayed in the PL this would not be an issue now, but s### happens and for a lot of reasons we went down, some due to him. he was ousted by the Wilde bunch when he was struggling to cut the costs of a PL club that had built up its structure after 27years in the top league.You cannot do that immediately as we could have gone straight back up. Allegedly when he was ousted there was £m's in our account and then the new lot who followed (it doesnt matter who ) then were reckless. Football first was the cry and i recall many saying 'lets go for it and worry later' wellwe lost the shirt off our backs due to spinning the roulette wheel and now RL has returned and getting the blame all over.Yes he made a big mistake in my eyes by keeping Jan too long and I worry that Wotte will not make things better, but the people who went in the past have a lot to answer for as well There is a good deal of debate about how much money was really in the kitty when he left. His track record is appalling on his choice of managers alone and his ability to keep any he is a complete failure but hey thats only the core business of the organisation Every manager he brought in meant a new batch of players at enormous cost. "and you worry Wotte wont make things better" LOL All I shall say is "Rupert Lowes Total Football Revolution". Its bizarre how some people can defend his reign on any business level not even mentioning his famous charm and his ability to win hearts and minds. Yes he is the only man in the world able to run the club in such a style, hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Allegedly when he was ousted there was £m's in our account and then the new lot who followed (it doesnt matter who ) then were reckless. I think that we nail this myth about there being plenty of money in the account on the day when Lowe left. Lowe left just before the end of June. The majority of the season ticket money had been received and was in the bank. The season ticket money is the biggest source of revenue for the club and has to be used to keep the club going in the months when there is not so much income . In addition players are due their signing on fees // loyalty bonuses on 30th June. This is one of the main sources of outgoings. Lowe left a couple of days before this money was paid to the players. It is a bit like you saying that you have plenty of money in the bank - the day after you have been paid and just before you have to pay your mortgage, your council tax and all your other bills. Technically you do have money iin the bank but realistically you do not. Just another example of the Lowe spin machine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 There's no other option but to find an alternative to Lowe. Lowe is such a hindrance to club finances when it comes to fans paying to watch games that his position is untenable. Saintwarwick: Has the price increased to watch us since Lowe has come back? I think no is your answer so why are you using a lie to vent your anger at the man? Read what he said again and then realise that you didn't comprehend an opinion that was really quite clearly expressed. But if the penny still doesn't drop, I'll attempt to clarify his meaning for you. Club finances have suffered because numbers attending have fallen since Lowe came back. Now that may be for several reasons. Many may detest Lowe and Wilde so much that they decided not to go whilst he remains. Others might not be going because they perceive the cost to be too high for the poor fare that is served up. Yet more might not be attending because the mad experiment with inexperienced cheapo Dutch managers playing youngsters has only managed to produce one home win in 2/3rds of a season. Whichever way you look at it, Club revenues have fallen through reduced attendances because of Lowe personally or his failed policies. As to the question regarding whether ticket prices have risen or not, then yes; technically they have. The prices have remained the same even though we are playing in the division below, so this is like paying 5* prices for a 4* Hotel. Would you be happy doing that? Any questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I think that we nail this myth about there being plenty of money in the account on the day when Lowe left. Lowe left just before the end of June. The majority of the season ticket money had been received and was in the bank. The season ticket money is the biggest source of revenue for the club and has to be used to keep the club going in the months when there is not so much income . In addition players are due their signing on fees // loyalty bonuses on 30th June. This is one of the main sources of outgoings. Lowe left a couple of days before this money was paid to the players. It is a bit like you saying that you have plenty of money in the bank - the day after you have been paid and just before you have to pay your mortgage, your council tax and all your other bills. Technically you do have money iin the bank but realistically you do not. Just another example of the Lowe spin machine!! OK and so tell me how much we had in the bank just before the ends of June the year after and the year after that.Nonepence.So you are not dispelling it at all just attacking it from a way that again obscures the fair debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I think a lot of what you say is valid.Without a doubt had we stayed in the PL this would not be an issue now, but s### happens and for a lot of reasons we went down, some due to him. he was ousted by the Wilde bunch when he was struggling to cut the costs of a PL club that had built up its structure after 27years in the top league.You cannot do that immediately as we could have gone straight back up. Allegedly when he was ousted there was £m's in our account and then the new lot who followed (it doesnt matter who ) then were reckless. Football first was the cry and i recall many saying 'lets go for it and worry later' wellwe lost the shirt off our backs due to spinning the roulette wheel and now RL has returned and getting the blame all over.Yes he made a big mistake in my eyes by keeping Jan too long and I worry that Wotte will not make things better, but the people who went in the past have a lot to answer for as well There were indeed a number of reasons we were relegated, but the main reason was Rupert Lowe IMHO & as yet has taken very little or any responsibility for his actions. You are right however that things would be different if we were still in the PL. The problem is we are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I think that we nail this myth about there being plenty of money in the account on the day when Lowe left. Lowe left just before the end of June. The majority of the season ticket money had been received and was in the bank. The season ticket money is the biggest source of revenue for the club and has to be used to keep the club going in the months when there is not so much income . In addition players are due their signing on fees // loyalty bonuses on 30th June. This is one of the main sources of outgoings. Lowe left a couple of days before this money was paid to the players. It is a bit like you saying that you have plenty of money in the bank - the day after you have been paid and just before you have to pay your mortgage, your council tax and all your other bills. Technically you do have money iin the bank but realistically you do not. Just another example of the Lowe spin machine!! Actually lowe has said there wasnt loads of money in the account but facilities upto 6 (I think) million...ie overdraft / credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 OK and so tell me how much we had in the bank just before the ends of June the year after and the year after that.Nonepence.So you are not dispelling it at all just attacking it from a way that again obscures the fair debate. I have no idea of what we had in the bank on 29 June 2007 or 2008. Unless you are Dave Jones or work for Barclays Bank, I suspect that you do not know either. Cashflow planning is an important feature for any business. Companies can be in financial trouble but still have money in the bank if you choose a paticular day just after they have been paid and just before they have to make their major payments. I think that this was the situation on the day that Lowe left. Please do not say that I am obscuring fair debate. Lowe is obscuring the truth by talking about money in the bank on the day when he left power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I have no idea of what we had in the bank on 29 June 2007 or 2008. Unless you are Dave Jones or work for Barclays Bank, I suspect that you do not know either. Cashflow planning is an important feature for any business. Companies can be in financial trouble but still have money in the bank if you choose a paticular day just after they have been paid and just before they have to make their major payments. I think that this was the situation on the day that Lowe left. Please do not say that I am obscuring fair debate. Lowe is obscuring the truth by talking about money in the bank on the day when he left power. but if we had less money in the bank the following year then it perhaps may mean all things being equal that the next lot were not as prudent etc etc.If LC had left the club with millions in credit and now we were millions in the red it wuld be rightly claimed Lowe now had mismanaged. That is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 (edited) Actually lowe has said there wasnt loads of money in the account but facilities upto 6 (I think) million...ie overdraft / credit In the 2008 accounts he wrote: When I, and five of my fellow Directors, resigned from the Board in June 2006, in the hope that it would bring unity, we were required to warrant that there was £3.4m cash on deposit at Barclays Bank. His chairman's statement was certainly misleading. Edited 6 February, 2009 by Tamesaint Use of English!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Nickh You started off by saying that when Lowe left we had £m's in the bank. That is a fallacy that Lowe has started and is very misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 In the 2008 accounts he wrote: When I, and five of my fellow Directors, resigned from the Board in June 2006, in the hope that it would bring unity, we were required to warrant that there was £3.4m cash on deposit at Barclays Bank. His chairman's statement was certainly misleading. I'd imagine to that if he was to falsely suggest such information in the chairman's notes in the company's accounts, it would be a fairly serious affair. Hence, I doubt very much that Lowe is actually "misleading" anyone in that instance - especially seeing as this is not a fact Crouch or anyone has denied. If it was a lie and I was Crouch, I certainly would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 In the same way that we go out and recruit a manager, why don't we go out and recruit a suitably qualified CEO??? If the major shareholders had the vision and will then it would be eminently possible to go and recruit someone else. I'm certainly not advocating we just sit around and wait for a sugar daddy, I'm suggesting we go and recruit a competent CEO and maybe a unifying Chairman. Was just talking to a friend at work about something similar. If I were to win a massive euro miillions payout then I would love tobuy the lot of the dip sh its out. But as I dont have the 1st idea on how to run a football club I would employ a CEO and all other relivant people to try to turn the club around as I think the flack I would recieve for not knowing what I was doing would be more damaging to the club in the long run. Why the major players cant come up with a sensible idea like this is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 He once warned me by PM for a sexist comment That's alright sweetcheeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 but if we had less money in the bank the following year then it perhaps may mean all things being equal that the next lot were not as prudent etc etc.If LC had left the club with millions in credit and now we were millions in the red it wuld be rightly claimed Lowe now had mismanaged. That is the point. Logically incorrect - the payments made a few days after Lowe left were commitments entered into during his tenure - so if they exceeded the new commitments incurred by the following regime, the mess would be his. Obviously I don't know the facts about that, just pointing out the error in logic. The "all things being equal" proviso makes your point a bit pointless, don't you think, since whether things were equal is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 In the 2008 accounts he wrote: When I, and five of my fellow Directors, resigned from the Board in June 2006, in the hope that it would bring unity, we were required to warrant that there was £3.4m cash on deposit at Barclays Bank. His chairman's statement was certainly misleading. You've got to admire the guy's chutzpah! So he resigned in the hope that it would bring unity? If he really meant that, he would of course have resigned much earlier. Of course, it had nothing at all to do with the fact that he realised that his position was untenable because the majority of shareholdings held against him would have ditched him out on his arse in bitter ignominy had he persisted in trying to hold on by his fingertips until after the EGM. What a noble and principled man Lowe is. I am full of admiration for these honorable character traits that he had demonstrated; I am sure that they were ingrained from his upbringing and private eduction at Radley. Breeding, dear boy, breeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 When you say 'what alternative is there to Lowe ?' an uninvolved observer might conclude that Rupert was somehow reluctantly forced back to rescue the club against his wishes and that he was 'Hobson's Choice' , regulars on here will understand this was not the case - far from it . We had an alternative Chairman (Leon Crouch) in place and doing a fairly good job IMO , he was ousted by a Lowe/Wilde conspiracy in furtherance of their own ambitions/vendettas and thus it is they who must carry the lions share of the blame for the 'train crash' this once great club has become . The mismanagement this club has suffered from since their return is little short of a crime , I find it hard to imagine why any true Saints fan would advocate the continuation of the Lowe/Wilde regime . As for how SFC is run in the future with both relegation and Administration looking a virtual certainty (sooner rather than later I would have thought) that will be a question for the new owners to answer - presuming we find someone that is . What would some arsehole in the Telegraph know about the activities of the board at Southampton. Thye know nothing about our club Ruperts track record is one of complete failure on any business measure ,share price, profit/loss, number of customers, sales of merchandise, core product, etc etc Every measure you might use to examine a company on would show failure. The company is near to bankruptcy and he cannot avoid blame as he has been in charge for the majority of the time. Who else to take over well we will see one day when Mr 6% is finally ousted or somebody shoots him. These two excellent posts will tell anybody everything they need to know about the catastrophic running of both SFC and SLH under the uber incompetent Lowe regime. It is indeed a 'train crash' as CEC says. I really am fed up with all this rubbish about who could take over from the poisonous Lowe. Clearly this was a line of attack dreamt up by his PR company to keep us on the back foot when they had run out of other avenues to defend the indefensible. Surely to God his PR people can't possibly keep a straight face when they type that garbage can they? It must be getting a bit past it's use by date even to them. If they need some help, let me explain something here. Lowe or his people have no right to query who may succeed him as Lowe himself is currently acting as a dictator after grabbing power in a hostile takeover and is universally despised by his customer base. The simple fact is that SFC/SLH cannot heal itself and start to move forward as a football club and start to produce some form of dividend and respectable share price for shareholders until Lowe and his cabal depart permanently from the scene. That is more important right now than exactly who would fill the breach. However, Leon Crouch has made no secret of his desire to be involved again and with Lowe gone it is perhaps likely that capable people such as Salz would become involved, which they apparently will not do whilst Lowe is still around. It is therefore important that we do not let the PR spin of 'who will replace him' divert the focus away from removing Lowe for good, as that is what the spin is meant to do.... All IMHO, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 One of the most telling paragraphs. Didn't Lowe tear down what Leon Croch was trying to achieve, look where his alternative has got us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Thewre is an excellent alternative to Lowe. No Lowe. We couldn't be worse off helmless. Better than being deliberately steered onto the rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 These two excellent posts will tell anybody everything they need to know about the catastrophic running of both SFC and SLH under the uber incompetent Lowe regime. It is indeed a 'train crash' as CEC says. I really am fed up with all this rubbish about who could take over from the poisonous Lowe. Clearly this was a line of attack dreamt up by his PR company to keep us on the back foot when they had run out of other avenues to defend the indefensible. Surely to God his PR people can't possibly keep a straight face when they type that garbage can they? It must be getting a bit past it's use by date even to them. If they need some help, let me explain something here. Lowe or his people have no right to query who may succeed him as Lowe himself is currently acting as a dictator after grabbing power in a hostile takeover and is universally despised by his customer base. The simple fact is that SFC/SLH cannot heal itself and start to move forward as a football club and start to produce some form of dividend and respectable share price for shareholders until Lowe and his cabal depart permanently from the scene. That is more important right now than exactly who would fill the breach. However, Leon Crouch has made no secret of his desire to be involved again and with Lowe gone it is perhaps likely that capable people such as Salz would become involved, which they apparently will not do whilst Lowe is still around. It is therefore important that we do not let the PR spin of 'who will replace him' divert the focus away from removing Lowe for good, as that is what the spin is meant to do.... All IMHO, of course Just a question but these people that want to get involved but only if Lowe is not here, Why dont they just buy him out? Surly its the only sure fire way to be involved without him at the club? People go on about Lowe PR company talking boll0x and making fools out of them selves but how many years have we heard about that bloke at the BBC who will come and save us when lowe is gone? Its the usual line that gets wheeled out by most people trying to gain support to get Lowe to move over, yet none have got rid completly. I dont challenge anyone to buy him out, I dont challenge anyone to stand up to him. I FOOKIN BEG SOMEONE WILL DO IT! Hands and knees, on the floor Begging!!!! Please someone make the move that will unite our club. Buy out Lowe and Wilde. If we are left with Crouch so beit. I dont care anymore TBH. If he thinks he can do it on his own get the others bought out and have a crack FFS. All this BS about rallying support and Fans choice and protests and EGM's and all the other gumf will mean bugger all if someone just steps up and says they want to buy the others out and move the club forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 "...is there an alternative to Lowe?" Yes: you could try any one of the thousands being made redundant from the finance industry. They might be much good, but they woul be better than lowe. Or Try Googling "headhunter CEO" and contact any one of the many agencies that make thier living from exactly this. nterestingly, you'll find "Headhunter starts search for new Yahoo chief" "Headhunter Egon Zehnder Reopens Search For TNK-BP CEO" "Negroponte has hired a headhunter to help find a CEO" and many others. (BTW, I have emailed them all recommending Lowe, but i don#'t think we should hold our collective breath.) Irreplacable my ar$e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 but if we had less money in the bank the following year then it perhaps may mean all things being equal that the next lot were not as prudent etc etc.If LC had left the club with millions in credit and now we were millions in the red it wuld be rightly claimed Lowe now had mismanaged. That is the point. Problem that everyone seems to ignore though is that whether or not we did oe did not have less in the bank the following year, this was due to Mike Wilde. As far as I can determine this is the same Mike Wilde who acted as king maker for Lowe to get him back into power. The Lowe suporters like to blame Wilde (and Crouch) for the mistakes after Lowe left, but conveniently forget that the same idiot is now in cahoots with Lowe. Two business failures running the plc with no idea how to run a successful footbal club is twice as bad as either one of them being in charge IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Wilde is the most significant figure in our future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 I think its a good summary, especially this bit, - but allow me to highlight a number of important bits & fill in the blanks for the author... Protest can lead to positive change at a football club, as it did at the club I support, fellow south coasters Brighton. But it can be a long and arduous road. And during the struggle to remove Bill Archer and his cronies from Brighton, the fans backed a team that, under Steve Gritt, overturned an 11-point deficit to escape relegation from the Football League on the final day of the season. Relegation may be starting to look inevitable for Southampton, but nothing is done until it is mathematically confirmed. Another factor to consider is who could replace Lowe and Wilde? It's all very well raging for something to be torn down, but is there a constructive alternative? At Brighton we had **** Knight, who ironically is now a target of some frustrated Albion fans. Is there anyone ready to step in and save Southampton? TEMPORARILY IN ORDER TO AVOID RELEGATION (IF ITS NOT TOO LATE NOW) : LEON CROUCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 February, 2009 Share Posted 6 February, 2009 Wilde is the most significant figure in our future And someone at the Club has him by the short and curlies over something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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