docker-p Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Despite what many people say, we are a united fan base. A vast majority of Saints fans believe are current problems can all be traced back to Lowe and his catastrophic mismanagement. So why can't we organise ourselves into one coherent voice? Protest march to the ground, protest march away from the ground, boycott, no boycott, leave early, arrive late, sit down stand up. Meanwhile we slide ever closer to our lowest point in 50 years, while, Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, and the rest of the axis of clowns will be sitting in the directors box enjoying the view. What we are missing now is leadership. One gobbie Saints fan to stand up and say "this is what we'll do, I'm going to talk to the press, radio, tv, and get things moving. Get behind me or **** off". A crisis normaly throws a leader to the fore. Well, the hour has come, where is the leadership? I would step up myself but I'm too ugly, drop my 't's in conversation and couldn't trust myself if faced with lowe not to nut him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Lowe's in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 But you need somone who is respected by all Saints fans young and old and dont think there is anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 But you need somone who is respected by all Saints fans young and old and dont think there is anyone. MLT is the only person truly respected by all generations, that would bring everyone together... he just wouldnt put himself forward as that man to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 The Trust should be the voice but they are in Lowe's pocket. How about we all join the Trust and vote that kid who organised the march to run it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Doctor P - I agree with you. I actually think we need two types of leaders. The one who rallies the fan base for the demos etc. One gobbie Saints fan, as you describe the individual. But also we need a leader who brings together the money men, the clever people who can put together takeovers. Ideally the two work in partnership coordinating the popular support with behind the scenes work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I would step up myself but I'm too ugly, drop my 't's in conversation and couldn't trust myself if faced with lowe not to nut him. Docker, please take on the job. We will all stand as witness that you were severly provoked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Despite what many people say, we are a united fan base. A vast majority of Saints fans believe are current problems can all be traced back to Lowe and his catastrophic mismanagement. So why can't we organise ourselves into one coherent voice? Protest march to the ground, protest march away from the ground, boycott, no boycott, leave early, arrive late, sit down stand up. Meanwhile we slide ever closer to our lowest point in 50 years, while, Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, and the rest of the axis of clowns will be sitting in the directors box enjoying the view. What we are missing now is leadership. One gobbie Saints fan to stand up and say "this is what we'll do, I'm going to talk to the press, radio, tv, and get things moving. Get behind me or **** off". A crisis normaly throws a leader to the fore. Well, the hour has come, where is the leadership? I would step up myself but I'm too ugly, drop my 't's in conversation and couldn't trust myself if faced with lowe not to nut him. Been asking the same question for a long time too. Those who could lead don't. Those who could lead have been too close to Wilde and the club in recent times to stand up and be counted. They're reading this now. If the cap fits wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 we have got plenty of gobby fans but unfortunately they fall into 2 categories..... 1) gobby but nothing to back it up (small man syndrome) 2) gobby but in it for themselves (the taxi driving gestapo) we need somebody who is not going to take the devils dollar,somebody that wont sit on the fence,somebody who is intelligent and articulate.........dont look at me,im too busy :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 The Trust should be the voice but they are in Lowe's pocket. How about we all join the Trust and vote that kid who organised the march to run it? The Trust is about 4 or 5 people trying to get as close to the board as possible, they do not represent anyone and don't have any members.... it's like me and my mates down the pub setting up a Super Saints Club, we would probably still have more members than them even if there was 6 of us. The Trust board proved that they are only in it for themselves when they came up with proposals for SCC to buy the stadium without so much as an email to their members, let alone a vote! They are a joke, this has been proved time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 With regards to a 'leader' and one group, it is pointless, we have such a split fanbase that will never come together 100% . I decided against organising a walkout as in reality, the 'superfans' in the ground would probably boo.... which completely makes any protest null and void. Look at all the threads, " Get behind the team FFS " followed by " Let's protest all game " Best thing to do is people just spontaneously protest in whatever way they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 without so much as an email to their members, let alone a vote! I thought you said they didn't have any members;) They are a joke, this has been proved time and time again. Just as you need to distinguish between Lowe's cabal and SFC, you need to distinguish between the Trust and it's current board. With the right direction, I still think it could serve some purpose, even at this late stage and after it's recent fence sitting, and perhaps it just needs the right people to start leading and shaping it. Why don't you put yourself forward to give it some impetus and force a change of direction? Why don't others do the same? Alternatively, if we're saying these things never work out, then we'll have to all do this individually, which IMHO is a shame, as I think a sense of common purpose and unity is what is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 (edited) I thought you said they didn't have any members;) Just as you need to distinguish between Lowe's cabal and SFC, you need to distinguish between the Trust and it's current board. With the right direction, I still think it could serve some purpose, even at this late stage and after it's recent fence sitting, and perhaps it just needs the right people to start leading and shaping it. Why don't you put yourself forward to give it some impetus and force a change of direction? Why don't others do the same? The fact they didn't shows a MASSIVE lack of respect for their so-called members. Alternatively, if we're saying these things never work out, then we'll have to all do this individually, which IMHO is a shame, as I think a sense of common purpose and unity is what is needed. Personally, I don't want a fan on the board, that is their main objective, so I would never support it or join it and try to change it. Also, with our fanbase as it is, we would never get enough members to make it work. Honestly, it is loud and clear how the 'board members' are in it for themselves when they put through a proposal such as the SCC one without even contacting their membership base. I thought the idea was to pass all motions in the way of a vote before pushing ahead with them? After all, just to combat the inevitable comments... of course this proposal affects their members, what they are asking is for SCC to spend £25m of the council tax on buying SFC, I am sure there are many Saints fans that would be able to think of much better ways of spending that money, regardless of their love for SFC I have said it from day one, and thus far not been proved wrong. Saints Trust are a joke. Edited 17 February, 2009 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Give *Dougal a ring he might be able to help out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Could be that too many people have too many ideas/opinions of what is most productive. Whoever this voice is many will knock him from the off as an attention seeker, I know a website is being created in order for all shareholders to log on to, I suppose to proxy to one group, will this be productive or will they still fall very short, percentage wise, to make an impact ? I do not think one man could do it, it would need a balanced group, a fan, a shareholder, someone media savvy and then some more..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 So we're all going to go it alone and do our own stuff then, fair enough by me (although I still feel it is a missed opportunity). Just finding it slightly hard to reconcile your stance and the belief of spontanaiety (sp), with you trying to establish a march away from the ground and setting up a website etc etc etc. If you're so anti people getting organised, don't believe in a leader etc etc etc, then why go down this route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 So we're all going to go it alone and do our own stuff then, fair enough by me (although I still feel it is a missed opportunity). Just finding it slightly hard to reconcile your stance and the belief of spontanaiety (sp), with you trying to establish a march away from the ground and setting up a website etc etc etc. If you're so anti people getting organised, don't believe in a leader etc etc etc, then why go down this route? Call it being massively p!ssed off with the way things are going on at Saints, to the point I set up that website, infact I went one further and sent them an email declining effectively a job offer from SFC from an interview I had attended a week before where I was so p!ssed off at Lowe and Wilde. I soon realised once it was set up that the sooper dooper fans were going to spend their time shouting it down, and lastly I didn't want to pay for 12 extra staff in Yates when there were alot of people trying to ensure that people didn't go on the boycott and find it would do more harm than good as the superfans are bound to boo people leaving. Oh, and if you looked, I didn't want to do any interviews, didn't want any public profile myself, a boycott is not something that requires a leader, simply someone to market it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I thought you said they didn't have any members;) Just as you need to distinguish between Lowe's cabal and SFC, you need to distinguish between the Trust and it's current board. With the right direction, I still think it could serve some purpose, even at this late stage and after it's recent fence sitting, and perhaps it just needs the right people to start leading and shaping it. Why don't you put yourself forward to give it some impetus and force a change of direction? Why don't others do the same? Alternatively, if we're saying these things never work out, then we'll have to all do this individually, which IMHO is a shame, as I think a sense of common purpose and unity is what is needed. Um Pahars, based on my understanding of what the Saints Trust was about and what they were originally set up to achieve, then I am disappointed it hasn’t worked out and completely agree it could still serve some purpose, although (IMHO) this would need a significant mind shift from potential members, which the trust could only achieve, by adopting a position that represents the majority of fans and right now that is as black and white as Lowe leaving the club, or as a minimum his current role. That sort of stance would see the Trust taking a very different role to the one they have currently positioned themselves as and I’m not convinced they are willing or able to take that step. Having said that, It’s hard to criticise anybody that has actually got off their arses to try and do something right for the club and it’s fans, but as per the original poster pointed out, it’s that role of leadership that is now missing. One of Lowe’s biggest strengths is our apathy as fans, or our inability to take action against him. The last march would have caused a few shock waves, because of it’s success in numbers and a few arses would have been twitching, but as our plight gets worse, the momentum seems to have been lost. I’m as guilty as the rest of us, as in “It’s not me” but hope someone steps forward and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 My only comment would be in the 13 odd years of Lowe, the gobbysheite approach has achieved what exactly? Lowe is still here and we are in the biggest mess. All the gobsheite stuff has simply reinforced Lowe's perception of fans as unintelligent 'klingons form the lunatic fringe'. Afterall, even when we were doing OK there were those (a minority but loud) gobbysheites still ****estirring in the background. The Trust is 'mistrusted' on here because they have tried dialogue - and dont simply call for heads to roll. The Trust I understand also want change, but I think recognise that this can only really be achieved when they themselves have influence - that ill come about in one of two ways - A decent shareholding that MUST be listened to or by being a trusted fan voice - a respected fan voice by the board. Whatever you think of Lowe and the others, one thing you should never underestimate is that they WILL respond when the fans actions impact on revenue. They have to as they have no other choice. But what we surely want is to have a say in what follows - a say in how the club evolves and progresses beyond a simple 'we hate Lowe and want him out' - afterall all that did was support other numpties who also failed. If we are serious about this, we should be talking, listening and planning and importantly developing trust and respect from ALL the major shareholders including those on the board - The trusts is trying to do this, but is hindered because its membership and shareholding is currntly too low - and this is because of these constant infighting amongsts fans who have only single agendas - Lowe out. I am not a trust member, I actually stay out of this because I dont think it would help them unite and attract fans from all sides by having me involved - as too many of you misguidedly believe I support Lowe. Its a shame, because teh trust represents the most democratic way fans can own a part of the club yet have a bigger voive that could have influence, yet its leadership who give up their own time is ridiculed by those who cant be arsed to get involved, for not being the very Gobby sheites thay believe is the only way.... Basically, if fans want respecxt and to be taken seriously, its needs calm rational heads NOT gobby shietes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Give *Dougal a ring he might be able to help out.... I gather he is into dog-breeding these days - less stress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 You don't need a leader to stay at home. You don't need a leader to tell the club to stick their season ticket renewals up their arse. That is the only protest Lowe and his cronied understand. An empty stadium will generate far more publicity than a march. Not that I'm knocking people who are actually trying to co-ordinate the marches. They deserve a pat on the back. The Saints Trust, I'm not too sure. Not radical enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Witt Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I know its slightly going off the thread but my mate who is a bristol city fan was in the directors box/area last week at half time and overheard Lowe telling anyone that would listen that the Swansea manager (Martinez?) rates us as one of the best footballing teams in the division. If Lowe is still ranting on about this (and my mate said he was ranting to anyone that would listen) is it anywonder that we are in this mess as he is still the man that pulls all the strings. He he trully believes that we are the best footballing side in the division then why are we second from fffing bottom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 We can't all agree on how to make a decent bacon sarnie ffs. Lot's of people have lot's of different views...thus even when we are agreeing on something in principle like wanting Lowe out of the football club...you'll never get everyone to agree on how it can be achieved... If we all agreed on things then this forum would be about as active as Stanleys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I know its slightly going off the thread but my mate who is a bristol city fan was in the directors box/area last week at half time and overheard Lowe telling anyone that would listen that the Swansea manager (Martinez?) rates us as one of the best footballing teams in the division. If Lowe is still ranting on about this (and my mate said he was ranting to anyone that would listen) is it anywonder that we are in this mess as he is still the man that pulls all the strings. He he trully believes that we are the best footballing side in the division then why are we second from fffing bottom! That kind of makes Lowe sound like a drunken tramp in p:ss stained tracksuit bottoms shouting at people about how great we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 My only comment would be in the 13 odd years of Lowe, the gobbysheite approach has achieved what exactly? Lowe is still here and we are in the biggest mess. All the gobsheite stuff has simply reinforced Lowe's perception of fans as unintelligent 'klingons form the lunatic fringe'. Afterall, even when we were doing OK there were those (a minority but loud) gobbysheites still ****estirring in the background. The Trust is 'mistrusted' on here because they have tried dialogue - and dont simply call for heads to roll. The Trust I understand also want change, but I think recognise that this can only really be achieved when they themselves have influence - that ill come about in one of two ways - A decent shareholding that MUST be listened to or by being a trusted fan voice - a respected fan voice by the board. I am not a trust member, I actually stay out of this because I dont think it would help them unite and attract fans from all sides by having me involved - as too many of you misguidedly believe I support Lowe. Its a shame, because teh trust represents the most democratic way fans can own a part of the club yet have a bigger voive that could have influence, yet its leadership who give up their own time is ridiculed by those who cant be arsed to get involved, for not being the very Gobby sheites thay believe is the only way.... Basically, if fans want respecxt and to be taken seriously, its needs calm rational heads NOT gobby shietes. That old 'ridiculed by those who can't be arsed to get involved' is the most tedious line on this forum. Can't some of you really not get it into your head that maybe some people just don't agree with the way it is run or infact their agendas? FC... let's give you an example. Would you join the BNP because you don't agree with racism? Would you join UKIP because you believe in immigration? Would you get a membership at Fratton Park because you support Southampton? The Trust is mistrusted because they hugely inflate their membership numbers, decieve Saints fans, the press and media, as well as SFC. The Trust is mistrusted because they have done absolutely nothing. The Trust is mistrusted because they have automatically renewed members who no longer wish to be members. The Trust is mistrusted because they treat the members they do have with complete contempt. Pressing ahead with their own personal ideas and agendas without even bothering to canvass their membership base. They are starting campaigns which will cost the Southampton residents £25m which could be spent on regeneration etc... how many of their members agreed that this proposal was in the interests of SFC as well as the Southampton people. If they had put it to a vote, how many of their members would have consented the idea? The Saints Trust board represent absolutely nobody but thereselves, they care about nothing than their own personal agendas, they are ripping off Saints fans, claiming to represent Saints fans and getting their way into SFC by ways of deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Despite what many people say, we are a united fan base. A vast majority of Saints fans believe are current problems can all be traced back to Lowe and his catastrophic mismanagement. So why can't we organise ourselves into one coherent voice? Protest march to the ground, protest march away from the ground, boycott, no boycott, leave early, arrive late, sit down stand up. Meanwhile we slide ever closer to our lowest point in 50 years, while, Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, and the rest of the axis of clowns will be sitting in the directors box enjoying the view. What we are missing now is leadership. One gobbie Saints fan to stand up and say "this is what we'll do, I'm going to talk to the press, radio, tv, and get things moving. Get behind me or **** off". A crisis normaly throws a leader to the fore. Well, the hour has come, where is the leadership? I would step up myself but I'm too ugly, drop my 't's in conversation and couldn't trust myself if faced with lowe not to nut him. Obviously not you then? Yet when Richard Chorley - love him or hate him - sticks his head above the parapet, instead of people getting behind him as a leader, everyone on here takes a shot at him from behind; not just with a small bore rifle but with a effing great bazooka... so, what do you want from a leader and what exactly is it that you are hoping to achieve? A strong leader might (and it's a BIG MIGHT!) help rid us of Lowe and Wilde but what then? We still won't have any money and it is far from certain that more fans would turn up of a Saturday just because of a new face at board level. We'll still be stuck with the same players, the same plight and yet another low rent manager, who would be low rent simply because he hasn't been good enough in the past to become high rent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 We can't all agree on how to make a decent bacon sarnie ffs. Lot's of people have lot's of different views...thus even when we are agreeing on something in principle like wanting Lowe out of the football club...you'll never get everyone to agree on how it can be achieved... If we all agreed on things then this forum would be about as active as Stanleys... I agree, we need to change Lowe and Wilde's view -and they are too distant to fans to care about protests (and probably in Lowe's case not take the blame themselves for falling attendances), or investors -who aren't more likely to come in due to fans protests. Whilst I applaud marches for showing people fans care I don't see they are a stepping stone to any improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Could be perfect for the job.. I gather he is into dog-breeding these days - less stress! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 We can't all agree on how to make a decent bacon sarnie ffs. Lot's of people have lot's of different views...thus even when we are agreeing on something in principle like wanting Lowe out of the football club...you'll never get everyone to agree on how it can be achieved... If we all agreed on things then this forum would be about as active as Stanleys... First take some thick cut smoked bacon. Place three or four rashers in a heated non-stick frying pan with no oil at all. Cook for a couple of minutes or until you see it begin to brown. Turn it over. Meanwhile butter two slices of bread and when the second side of the bacon is cooked place the rashers on top of one slice. Add tomato ketchup and place other slice of bread on top. Cut in half and eat. Lowe out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 First take some thick cut smoked bacon. Place three or four rashers in a heated non-stick frying pan with no oil at all. Cook for a couple of minutes or until you see it begin to brown. Turn it over. Meanwhile butter two slices of bread and when the second side of the bacon is cooked place the rashers on top of one slice. Add tomato ketchup and place other slice of bread on top. Cut in half and eat. Lowe out!! just goes to show how little some posters on here know, Worcester sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 just goes to show how little some posters on here know, Worcester sauce. I wager you would lose that argument in a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 First take some thick cut smoked bacon. Place three or four rashers in a heated non-stick frying pan with no oil at all. Cook for a couple of minutes or until you see it begin to brown. Turn it over. Meanwhile butter two slices of bread and when the second side of the bacon is cooked place the rashers on top of one slice. Add tomato ketchup and place other slice of bread on top. Cut in half and eat. Lowe out!! That's ********! Grill the bacon, lightly toast the bread and add HP sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 That old 'ridiculed by those who can't be arsed to get involved' is the most tedious line on this forum. Can't some of you really not get it into your head that maybe some people just don't agree with the way it is run or infact their agendas? FC... let's give you an example. Would you join the BNP because you don't agree with racism? Would you join UKIP because you believe in immigration? Would you get a membership at Fratton Park because you support Southampton? The Trust is mistrusted because they hugely inflate their membership numbers, decieve Saints fans, the press and media, as well as SFC. The Trust is mistrusted because they have done absolutely nothing. The Trust is mistrusted because they have automatically renewed members who no longer wish to be members. The Trust is mistrusted because they treat the members they do have with complete contempt. Pressing ahead with their own personal ideas and agendas without even bothering to canvass their membership base. They are starting campaigns which will cost the Southampton residents £25m which could be spent on regeneration etc... how many of their members agreed that this proposal was in the interests of SFC as well as the Southampton people. If they had put it to a vote, how many of their members would have consented the idea? The Saints Trust board represent absolutely nobody but thereselves, they care about nothing than their own personal agendas, they are ripping off Saints fans, claiming to represent Saints fans and getting their way into SFC by ways of deception. BUt surely if you believe this to be true, you can see why some wuld say ..UP for example, why not get involveed and change this then... its just like all those moaning about the government being ****e and then not bothering to vote, claiming they are all the same etc... If you want YOUR opinion and your ideals represented then you need to stick your head out and get involved. I like you shared a distrust for anyone who was 'postioning themselves' to lead the trust - afterall we all have a natural suspicion of anyone who is hungry enough for this sort of Power, I am no different on that front, and more pertinately, I did not share the majority of the same views as the trust board when they began and was reluctant about it.... BUT also reluctantly aggreed with their principles that they would represent what their membership wanted - democratically - and I would have to accept that that is the best way. I think unless you form your own fan pressure group, none will ever 100% represent everything you agree with as they should reflect the majority view, so the decsions should be based on what best represents you. If nothing exists, start something by yourself, or join the trust with the aim of changing how it represents the fans and members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 That's ********! Grill the bacon, lightly toast the bread and add HP sauce. HP sauce is really not the correct sauce for bacon, especially smoked bacon. It will overpower the taste of the bacon and thus ruin the buttie experience. Lightly toasted bread is indeed an option. You didn't mention butter so I cannot fully take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 First take some thick cut smoked bacon. Place three or four rashers in a heated non-stick frying pan with no oil at all. Cook for a couple of minutes or until you see it begin to brown. Turn it over. Meanwhile butter two slices of bread and when the second side of the bacon is cooked place the rashers on top of one slice. Add tomato ketchup and place other slice of bread on top. Cut in half and eat. Lowe out!! Well of course you and i agree on this one. Although i would add that that would want to be unsalted butter. But i seem to remember some mentalist suggesting using a microwave to cook the bacon. Now i'm living without a gas cooker at the moment and gave it a try...good god that is not ideal bacon... Still i think this serves as a nice analogy... Lots of people agree that a bacon sandwich is awesome... But then we have to look at the key elements... Lots of people will agree that frying is the best way to cook the bacon Lots of other people will agree that grilling is the best way A few on the lunatic fringe will say using a microwave is best Lots of people will agree that white bread is best vehicle for the bacon Lots of people will agree that brown bread is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest pitta bread Lots of people will agree that salted butter is best Lots of people will agree that unsalted butter is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest margarine Lots of people will agree that ketchup is the best sauce Lots of people will agree that HP brown sauce is best Lots of people will agree that Daddy's Sauce is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest Worcester sauce And before you know it you come to realise that a bacon sandwich is the most divisive foodstuff at Southampton. Oh and don't even get me started on smoked or unsmoked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Well of course you and i agree on this one. Although i would add that that would want to be unsalted butter. But i seem to remember some mentalist suggesting using a microwave to cook the bacon. Now i'm living without a gas cooker at the moment and gave it a try...good god that is not ideal bacon... Still i think this serves as a nice analogy... Lots of people agree that a bacon sandwich is awesome... But then we have to look at the key elements... Lots of people will agree that frying is the best way to cook the bacon Lots of other people will agree that grilling is the best way A few on the lunatic fringe will say using a microwave is best Lots of people will agree that white bread is best vehicle for the bacon Lots of people will agree that brown bread is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest pitta bread Lots of people will agree that salted butter is best Lots of people will agree that unsalted butter is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest margarine Lots of people will agree that ketchup is the best sauce Lots of people will agree that HP brown sauce is best Lots of people will agree that Daddy's Sauce is best A few on the lunatic fringe suggest Worcester sauce And before you know it you come to realise that a bacon sandwich is the most divisive foodstuff at Southampton. Oh and don't even get me started on smoked or unsmoked... If I was on that Saturday Kitchen programme that could well be my idea of food hell. Microwaved unsmoked bacon put in a pitta bread with margarine and Worcester sauce. There is another debate that I feel I would be in the minority for liking, however. It is the merits of black pudding on the full English breakfast. I say it is a must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 HP sauce is really not the correct sauce for bacon, especially smoked bacon. It will overpower the taste of the bacon and thus ruin the buttie experience. Lightly toasted bread is indeed an option. You didn't mention butter so I cannot fully take you seriously. You're quite right about the butter, that was a genuine mistake on my part and I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 If I was on that Saturday Kitchen programme that could well be my idea of food hell. Microwaved unsmoked bacon put in a pitta bread with margarine and Worcester sauce. There is another debate that I feel I would be in the minority for liking, however. It is the merits of black pudding on the full English breakfast. I say it is a must have. Personal favourite is smoked streaky with Mayo and ketchup on a toasted ciabatta roll - maybe that explains why I saw positives in the Dutch experiement at the start? A kind of warped perverse mind set? who knows ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Personal favourite is smoked streaky with Mayo and ketchup on a toasted ciabatta roll - maybe that explains why I saw positives in the Dutch experiement at the start? A kind of warped perverse mind set? who knows ;-) If you were really into the Dutch Thing then it would be 'groene haring' with a shot of Gin to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 HP sauce is really not the correct sauce for bacon, especially smoked bacon. It will overpower the taste of the bacon and thus ruin the buttie experience. Lightly toasted bread is indeed an option. You didn't mention butter so I cannot fully take you seriously. HP sauce is the perfect sauce for bacon, as long as you don't add too much. K*tch*p should be banned - it adds nothing to any meal. I have recently begun regularly having bacon and fried egg sarnies. I say sarnies, but really I tend to use rolls, not slices of bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Get back on topic you Swine's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Get back on topic you Swine's No need to be so rash(er). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 There is another debate that I feel I would be in the minority for liking, however. It is the merits of black pudding on the full English breakfast. I say it is a must have. I suggest you take this to the muppet show...i have very strong feeling on the black pudding also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I suggest you take this to the muppet show...i have very strong feeling on the black pudding also... What if you had to make a choice between black pudding and white pudding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 What if you had to make a choice between black pudding and white pudding? I am an equal opportunities pudding eater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 First take some thick cut smoked bacon. Place three or four rashers in a heated non-stick frying pan with no oil at all. Cook for a couple of minutes or until you see it begin to brown. Turn it over. Meanwhile butter two slices of bread and when the second side of the bacon is cooked place the rashers on top of one slice. Add tomato ketchup and place other slice of bread on top. Cut in half and eat. Lowe out!! How will you know if it's going brown BEFORE you turn it over :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 You gourmets are well out of context. If all you can talk about is bacon then we Saints fans deserve what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 You gourmets are well out of context. If all you can talk about is bacon then we Saints fans deserve what we get. We're just trying to ensure no-one makes a pig's ear of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 How will you know if it's going brown BEFORE you turn it over :smt102 I wager you have never cooked bacon before or seen the rasher change from pink to white then to slowly brown, before your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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