Colinjb Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 It is such a relief to see the team finally start to get things right, and with only one main addition to the squad in Saeijs. The horrifically poor appointment of Poortvliet by Lowe coupled with the youth policy could easily have had us in Charlton's position already. There is no way he will ever admit his error but the mixture of youth and experience now in the team is probably the closest we'll get to a recognition of error. It is now evident that this squad always had the ability to be safe in this league yet one of Rupert Lowe's moments of inspiration could have seen us plummet... Again. Until he has gone, or at the very least removed from decision making responsibility we will never be secure or run totally effectively. What is to stop him having another Wigley/Gray/Poortvliet gamble? All campaigns for his removal and searches for a replacement must continue, but crucially all support for the first team must also remain positive and focus to ensure we are in a strong position for when the day he departs for good comes. Here's looking forward to Brum. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughnutman Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 yes +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 It is now evident that this squad always had the ability to be safe in this league Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? Problem with on paper is that the game is played on grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Ahhh so this is just another Rupert Lowe out thread then...! Shame really, because the title promised so much more... ahhhh well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? The disasterous Dodd/Gorman reign was the problem. Under Burley it was mid table, then an almighty slump followed, fitness suffered and Pearson came in and did his bloody best to save a sinking ship. Thank heavens he achieved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? On paper being the main point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? Attitude of both young and old in the side and for that Wotte appears to have pulled the right strings so far. It was a master stroke putting Skacel, Euell, Saga etc (should have been from the off ) in the side and repointing Mighty Mac to a better place. OR we are having some serious luck for a change.COYR :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Ahhh so this is just another Rupert Lowe out thread then...! Shame really, because the title promised so much more... ahhhh well..... Oh don't sound so surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Yet it, on paper, is weaker than last years squad, why were we not safe in the same league then ? Off the top of my head, is it??? What was the team last year?? ---------------Wright Wright ----Perry---- Lucketti-----Skacel Viafara----Idiakez-----Safri------Surman --------------Saga-----John Defence and upfront pretty similar IMHO. Midfield slightly stornger last year as I'm not the biggest fan of Gillett and DMG. But getting back to the point, I personally had no doubt that both this season's squad and last season's squads were good enough to stay up, they just had to be managed properly. Last season, Burley gave up the ghost and then it went off the rails with D & G, whilst this season Poortvliet did his best to turn a half decent team into relegation certainties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The disasterous Dodd/Gorman reign was the problem. Under Burley it was mid table, then an almighty slump followed, fitness suffered and Pearson came in and did his bloody best to save a sinking ship. Thank heavens he achieved it. We were already shocking under Burley, lost the plot with D&G & crawled over the line with Pearson Incidentally everyone goes on about the players that were here last season but McGoldrick 2 apps + 6 subs, Lallana 5 subs, Gillett 2 subs & James not at all was the sum total of their contribution under all three managements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Strange concept really, how can our attitude to the relegation battle not be conditioned by the last 3 results?. Because of them there is a relegation battle and not a fading away to League 1 as expected by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Strange concept really, how can our attitude to the relegation battle not be conditioned by the last 3 results?. Because of them there is a relegation battle and not a fading away to League 1 as expected by most. I think you've misread the thrust of his argument. Surely he is saying, do let the last three results gloss over the reasons why we found ourselves in a pickle in the first place i.e. IMHO we would do well to remember why we ended up staring relegation and administration in the face, so as not to repeat those stupid mistakes. Or have I misread what you're trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Strange concept really, how can our attitude to the relegation battle not be conditioned by the last 3 results?. Because of them there is a relegation battle and not a fading away to League 1 as expected by most. Exactly If we had lost those 3 the table would look very bad. It doesn't look too rosie now but we are in the mix. We are not dead and burried which the pundits and bookies had labelled as. The crowd is behind the team and the confidence in the players is where it should be. If we continue in the same way we have a good chance to stay up, something that 3 games ago looked very doubtful. There is a long way to go with some tough games. But i have more confidence in the lads and the manager then i have had all season. I feel positive that we will fight and give it our all until the end. Where as before it was turn up, lose, talk crap about how great we are but can't win, then repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I think you've misread the thrust of his argument. Surely he is saying, do let the last three results gloss over the reasons why we found ourselves in a pickle in the first place i.e. IMHO we would do well to remember why we ended up staring relegation and administration in the face, so as not to repeat those stupid mistakes. Or have I misread what you're trying to say? You know very well Um that I am just a fan of the team, all the rest goes right over my head. I support the team as I have done for nigh on 50 years,as for the rest I have no particular opinion other than that drastic cost cutting was vitally necessary, come what may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You know very well Um that I am just a fan of the team, all the rest goes right over my head. Of course it does LOL. Just typed in Lowe and got 275 returns for you, Crouch got 94 returns, 17 for Corbett, Cowen 12, Richards 13, shareholder 21. You've never been shy in the past;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Of course it does LOL. Just typed in Lowe and got 275 returns for you, Crouch got 94 returns, 17 for Corbett, Cowen 12, Richards 13, shareholder 21. You've never been shy in the past;) Well I may be in a particularly concilliatory mood today. I don't think I've slagged anyone off,not even Crouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Well I may be in a particularly concilliatory mood today. I don't think I've slagged anyone off,not even Crouch. That's 95 for Crouch now!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The disasterous Dodd/Gorman reign was the problem. Under Burley it was mid table, then an almighty slump followed, fitness suffered and Pearson came in and did his bloody best to save a sinking ship. Thank heavens he achieved it. The rot had already set in with Burley and was then taken to greater depths by G&D. Under Burley that players were unfit, and lacked motivation, recall our early season form when we had no proper centre backs (and Bennett's early disastrous form, made up for later by some excellent showings). Turning things around after Burley, Dodd and Gorman had done their worst was very difficult - improving fitness in March is not really feasible, especially stamina which is the major mistake Burley made. OK, NP got a bit lucky, but his task was difficult in the extreme, and he just about pulled it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Who cares about last season? This thread is about Lowe's incompetent bumbling, meddling and record of hitting upon a decent manager about once every 4 appointments and, whether surplus to requirements or timely reminder, it is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You know very well Um that I am just a fan of the team, all the rest goes right over my head. I support the team as I have done for nigh on 50 years,as for the rest I have no particular opinion other than that drastic cost cutting was vitally necessary, come what may. A bit like me where i differ is that i agree the cost cutting was necessary , what i object to is how we chose to spend the money we have, A bit like 2003 , i knew we did not have a fortune to spend i just disagreed with how we spent it, decisions that eventually led to our relegation. To many wrong choices over the last 5 years , not lack of funds just badly used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 3 wins on the trot...and we're STILL bottom three! I (for one) realise the magnitude of the job still in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The youth experiment is not over - academy players are still well represented in the team. The difference is that there is better balance with more of the experienced players playing, some of whom were not available earlier in the season. But Wotte is also using a different formation and he seems to be a better motivator than Poortvliet. True the board are responsible for the make-up of the squad, and as most of last night's team were on the books at the start of the season, they seem to have assembled an acceptable squad from the outset. How the players were used is not a matter for the board, that is down to the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The youth experiment is not over - academy players are still well represented in the team. The difference is that there is better balance with more of the experienced players playing, some of whom were not available earlier in the season. But Wotte is also using a different formation and he seems to be a better motivator than Poortvliet. True the board are responsible for the make-up of the squad, and as most of last night's team were on the books at the start of the season, they seem to have assembled an acceptable squad from the outset. How the players were used is not a matter for the board, that is down to the coach. Oh please! For god's sake. Never has a moniker been less apposite. Lowe was trumpeting the "Revolutionary" setup. The "fast, attacking, passing football". The "seamless integration" of the entire playing staff. The board were embroiled in the tactics and setup of the first team as much as the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 A bit like me where i differ is that i agree the cost cutting was necessary , what i object to is how we chose to spend the money we have, A bit like 2003 , i knew we did not have a fortune to spend i just disagreed with how we spent it, decisions that eventually led to our relegation. To many wrong choices over the last 5 years , not lack of funds just badly used Absolutley Mike. I have no problem with financial prudence and living within your means, and like you I believe our biggest problem in recent years is how we spent the finite amount of money we had. If you haven't got much cash, then how you spend it becomes so much more important. Too many poor decisions in the top flight led to our relegation and we have compounded those errors during our sojourn down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 How the players were used is not a matter for the board, that is down to the coach. But what is down to the board is: a) What coach they employ to get the best out of thoise resources, and b) The strategy and constraints within which that coach has to work in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 3 wins on the trot...and we're STILL bottom three! I (for one) realise the magnitude of the job still in hand. Probably the most salient point on the thread. And let's hope that the players and management are taking your lead, and also not underestimating the maginude of the job in hand. They team have had given themselves a fighting chance, would be lunacy to bung it all away now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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