NickG Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Bit light hearted as I would be saying its too soon to judge if we were doing crap under Wotte, but judging on how he is doing today... When Jan left a lot, me included thought Wotte was likely to be the manager but would have preferred one of the variuos names linked - someone like Dowie, or Adams was also mentioned. Not after another NP v Wotte thread, as thats elsewhere, but gut feeling - would you swap Wotte for the names linked on here as available, English and possibles? On the current high of 3 wins I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 (edited) Not for Dowie or Adams but perhaps for Jim Gannon who's done well with little financial support and a young squad. I worry that Wotte has a bad transfer record in bringing the right type of player in and is a bit one dimensional in his approach to management (mainly his arrogance) will not last over time. Edited 4 March, 2009 by Doctoroncall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Id have Burley back in a heartbeat. Scottish managers are scientifically proven to be better than welsh managers and managers from Mauritius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 At the moment I wouldn't swap Wotte for any of the other possibles , but hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it and I'd have given you a different answer a few weeks ago . When Nigel Pearson first arrived at SFC I wasn't very impressed to be honest but he won me round in time and I now hold him in the highest possible regard . Mark Wotte will certainly find a similar place in the affections of Saints fans if he keeps us playing like we are at the moment - as ever time will tell . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Too early to judge objectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Bit light hearted as I would be saying its too soon to judge if we were doing crap under Wotte, but judging on how he is doing today... When Jan left a lot, me included thought Wotte was likely to be the manager but would have preferred one of the variuos names linked - someone like Dowie, or Adams was also mentioned. Not after another NP v Wotte thread, as thats elsewhere, but gut feeling - would you swap Wotte for the names linked on here as available, English and possibles? On the current high of 3 wins I wouldn't. Too early to judge objectively go on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 go on Ok...arm twisted....I'd swap Wotte for Hoddle or Strachan. Coin toss for Dowie. No-one else springs to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I got a real bad sense of de ja vu. If i am honest i would yes. The guy has started very well but it is just that, a start. He has a lot of experience of getting teams relegated so i will not count the chickens and all that. Some of the people i travel with who i think are far more hardcore fan then me; think it could be the manager bounce that is happening, there is obviously a lot of history to proove that sometimes a change can have short term success. So for me the guy has done everything on the pitch right. But if we start to have a bad run and maybe lose a few games then how we bounce back from that is what i will judge him on. I think it was Bobby Robson who once said "It is easy when your winning, when you start to lose, that is when you find out what a manager is made of". So let's hope we don't lose and have to find out hey! The funny thing is people slate JP for his record but he did have a run of good games. The whole of September we played 5 won 2, drew 2 and lost 1. Not too different from our last 6 of won 3 lost 2 and drawn 1. I remember at that time threads like these were started then too, people like myself tried to tell them to realise that things change so fast that to assume things were going to be great and that JP was great was very very premature. Which proved right. So again i have wierd feeling of we have been here before, a bit of de ja vu. Right now the guy is doing great so if he has games like the last three then we don't need to change him with anyone, even Ferguson or Wenger. But if he replicates the 4 games prior to his wins then i have a feeling people will swap him in a heartbeat. And that is football, a results business. Win and were happy, lose a few and they call for your head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Hoddle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Three weeks ago I would have had doubts, but the available "talent" did not impress me, so Wotte would have got my vote by default as it were. Three weeks is a long time in football as well as politics (sorry about the P word on this forum) and today I am a Wotte supporter. If he keeps getting the results I'll stay positive. COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiansaint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Let's stick with Wotte and see what happens. If we stay up and MW goes, then I'd have Dave Jones back or perhaps give Sean O'Driscoll a go as he is used to working with little money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 This bloke is doing fine, so why are people even talking about changing?! Absolute madness on ere, arrogance? Remember Mr Mourinho seems to do ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Win - yes, lose - no. That's because I am a fikklefukka - a bit like, well eerrrr every other fan that I know. The bottom line is that managers have different levels of 'success' at different times and clubs. Few managers experience extreme variations of success at the same club these days - unless they have gone from a low to a high (ala Roy Keane & Billy Davies), then are then offloaded as soon as the situation becomes problematical again. Gordon Strachan - a legend in our eyes - needed to take a serious M1 detour around Coventry on his way from us to Glasgow. Good ol' 'arry - Freedom of the sh i tty (sorry city) down the road, warrant out for his arrest here - a saviour in the making at Spuds. And there are many, many more. The point being though that most managers actually experience very different levels of success at different clubs and can be looked on in completely different lights. Therefore, I'll stick with what we currently have right now - until we lose again.... because as I said - I'm a fikklefukka...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 aint broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 aint broken. derek ferzakerly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Would feel loathe to change the manager again at this time, especially as he seems to be delivering squad harmony, motivation, direction and indeed results... Might be tempted with Ince though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Its too late to change horses midstream in the rapids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Some of the people i travel with who i think are far more hardcore fan then me; think it could be the manager bounce that is happening, there is obviously a lot of history to proove that sometimes a change can have short term success. So for me the guy has done everything on the pitch right. But if we start to have a bad run and maybe lose a few games then how we bounce back from that is what i will judge him on. I think it was Bobby Robson who once said "It is easy when your winning, when you start to lose, that is when you find out what a manager is made of". I agree with most of what you say. It is impossible to judge anyone properly as of now, but I think he's doing well. He didn't have the rush of wins that some managers get when they take over, possibly as the players already knew him well, instead we got two draws and two losses. From that perspective, surely he has done well as he's had a little blip already and turned it around to win three in a row? We can't really afford for him to have too much of a bad run, to judge his bouncebackability on, as we're still in the **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 March, 2009 Share Posted 5 March, 2009 Bit light hearted as I would be saying its too soon to judge if we were doing crap under Wotte, but judging on how he is doing today... When Jan left a lot, me included thought Wotte was likely to be the manager but would have preferred one of the variuos names linked - someone like Dowie, or Adams was also mentioned. Not after another NP v Wotte thread, as thats elsewhere, but gut feeling - would you swap Wotte for the names linked on here as available, English and possibles? On the current high of 3 wins I wouldn't. Is this that Anglophile / xenophobic bit again ..an English manager ! How many " successful " English managers are at the top of the Premiership, or even the CCC for that matter. Very few! What is this obsession with ENGLISH managers ? Yes there are a lot of English managers unemployed ..so why do you think..? Most of them are still trying to play the 1990's 4-4-2 formations and don't play enough wide men. You must play according to the squad you have and thats what the successful men are doing. Know your limitations! After the disgraceful sacking of that " boring old Swede Sven Göran E. " the MEDIA got what they wanted ...an English manager, who was probably the worst candidate to ever get the job. I was ashamed to watch England games with MacLaren's team selections. I like the Dutch football style, always have, ever since the heady days of the late 70's when (apart from occasional English side,) teams like Ajax, with players like Cruyff and van Basten were an absolute joy to watch. I hope we survive ..and that the club has the courage to let Wotte & Co continue their football " experiment ". IF we get this side up to scratch NEXT season, they'll take the league by storm.. if they continue to play like this. COYR !!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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