Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Can someone point out to me exactly what costs this saves, because I can't for the life of me figure out what cost saving it will actually achieve :smt102 And no this isn't another Lowe bashing thread, as I believe the idea was originally Mr Crouch's... Anyway, if anyone could point out what closing the corners actually achieves, then fire away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tickle Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Can someone point out to me exactly what costs this saves, because I can't for the life of me figure out what cost saving it will actually achieve :smt102 And no this isn't another Lowe bashing thread, as I believe the idea was originally Mr Crouch's... Anyway, if anyone could point out what closing the corners actually achieves, then fire away!! Don’t quote me, but I reckon if you cut down the number of "available seats" at a game / sporting venue the number of staff which legally must attended stewards etc is reduced thus saving money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe it's to do with closing concessions (burger and drinks bars), less stewards, and less cleaning after matches. Beyond that though, I'm not entirely certain what other savings there are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Can someone point out to me exactly what costs this saves, because I can't for the life of me figure out what cost saving it will actually achieve :smt102 And no this isn't another Lowe bashing thread, as I believe the idea was originally Mr Crouch's... Anyway, if anyone could point out what closing the corners actually achieves, then fire away!! ALL i can think of is about 20 stewards but seeing the number of stewards and OB stood between Itchen and Northam most weeks then probably none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe it's to do with closing concessions (burger and drinks bars), less stewards, and less cleaning after matches. Beyond that though, I'm not entirely certain what other savings there are. no concessions shut as far as i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 It means we have a far less Police and stewards bill....allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 talking about stewards there was not much movement when we had the " Stewards Stand By then Stewards Stand Down" drill on Saturday/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 ALL i can think of is about 20 stewards but seeing the number of stewards and OB stood between Itchen and Northam most weeks then probably none I was thinking that on Saturday. There was a continuous line of stewards in the Itchen / Northam corner. They could have built a big fence (or moat) and saved all the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe it's to do with closing concessions (burger and drinks bars), less stewards, and less cleaning after matches. Beyond that though, I'm not entirely certain what other savings there are. But there are no concessions shut. At least none in the Kingsland stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 But there are no concessions shut. At least none in the Kingsland stand. Same for the Itchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 But there are no concessions shut. At least none in the Kingsland stand. Indeed, The one exit that has been shut in each corner leads onto the same concourse area from the exits that have remained open. I could understand the logic of closing off an area of seating (from a cost saving perspective) if it had a self contained concourse area. Perhaps it was simply a 'tick box' exercise so that we could at least been seen to be doing 'something' by the powers that be at Barclays? (i.e. it was probably a good sound-bite initiative in one of those 'important meetings with our bankers') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 so the savings are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 talking about stewards there was not much movement when we had the " Stewards Stand By then Stewards Stand Down" drill on Saturday/ What was that all about then? Stand by..... Stand down.... Left leg in.... etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 so the savings are ? Negligible....probably. But, as I say, was quite possibly something that looked/sounded good on paper when discussing our cost cutting measures with Barclays. IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 It would have made more sense closing the whole Kingsland really, save on stewards and concessions, and it would look slightly better on TV as we would have more people in the three stands visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I have asked this question a couple of times but to no avail. There are always steards / old bill in Itchen north and by away fans so to me it makes no difference. There is certainly no saving on food/drink bars in the Itchen. As for the attention all stewards i was told it was because our stewards ( APPARENTLY ) are NVQ trained and go around training other clubs stewards so every once in a while they get assesed at a game to see their response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 talking about stewards there was not much movement when we had the " Stewards Stand By then Stewards Stand Down" drill on Saturday/ LOL!!! I noticed it that too!!! when we were in the prem they used to hurle up and sown the stairs and it was a real high profile event - now its just like they could n't be arsed - do you think that the apathy engulfing the club has now spread to steward training drills? Or is there a different level of stewarding in the CCC??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 It would have made more sense closing the whole Kingsland really, save on stewards and concessions, and it would look slightly better on TV as we would have more people in the three stands visible. It would have made more sense if Mr Luker had got the pricing structure right so that more people wanted to come through the gate! The object of any business is surely to sell the product - not close parts of it down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Funny you should ask because I had the same thoughts on saturday when I noticed how many stewards there were between the itchen and northam stands. I would guess it saves a few quid here and there but I can't see it making much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 So, if the conclusion is that the closing of corners is negligible, do you think this policy will be continued next year? With regards to the cleaning, I believe this is contracted out to the council anyway and is a fixed cost.... Maybe the stewards could do it next year and save us a few bob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 It would have made more sense if Mr Luker had got the pricing structure right so that more people wanted to come through the gate! The object of any business is surely to sell the product - not close parts of it down! Mr Lukers hands are tied.....he has to get approved by the board. I know he has suggested things in the past and these have been rejected. Mr Luker is one of the good guys at SFC from the dealings I have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Do we actually need them open? No-one turns up any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Do we actually need them open? No-one turns up any more. Shutting the Kingsland or Chapel would save a LOT more money than closing the corners, and would easily accommodate everyone that does turn up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Mr Lukers hands are tied.....he has to get approved by the board. I know he has suggested things in the past and these have been rejected. Mr Luker is one of the good guys at SFC from the dealings I have had. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stax Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe Lowe said shutting the corners would save the club £250,000 a season thats why he done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe Lowe said shutting the corners would save the club £250,000 a season thats why he done it. Just a thought but how much dose Lord Lowe pocket in wages per season.:smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe Lowe said shutting the corners would save the club £250,000 a season thats why he done it. I believe he also said that Pearson was let go because of financial reasons, so forgive me for being a little sceptical of anything that the man 'who is sincere even when lying' says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe Lowe said shutting the corners would save the club £250,000 a season thats why he done it. The £250,000 saving was all put in the same group - Closing the corners, free bus tickets, £25 off voucher for the Travel club etc. Would have thought most of the £250,000 saving was from the busses - Lets say 3000 used the busses cost to the club £3 per return trip for 23 home games = £207,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Just a thought but how much dose Lord Lowe pocket in wages per season.:smt017 That is an exageration 250 grand...rubbish not a penny over 240 grand ..surely...:---) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 I believe Lowe said shutting the corners would save the club £250,000 a season thats why he done it. No, checked back to the OS Archive (June 13th). The whole package of measures were planned to cost £250k per annum, this included (1) shutting the 3 corners, (2) suspension of the subsidised bus service, (3) reduction of the shuttle bus service between city centre and ferry and rail terminals, and (4) opening stadium 15 minutes later on matchdays. I seem to recall the bus subsidy was about £120k, I would guess (3) and (4) would save perhaps 50k, leaving about £80k for the corners. I would think one of the factors here is reduced insurance cost, not just much reduced wages - the insurance would be based on the number of seats, and by closing these parts of the ground they are effectively saying the seating capacity has been reduced. Have to assume this exercise was worthwhile, after all we cannot say this was just Lowe's idea, as Leon was planning to do exactly the same, so Lowe/Wilde only copied the lead of the only successful businessman we have around. It seems like they decided against closing a complete stand "the more radical option" even though it would by implication have saved more money, but was considered too unpopular even for Lowe & Wilde to consider. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10215 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 Shutting the Kingsland or Chapel would save a LOT more money than closing the corners, and would easily accommodate everyone that does turn up Yeah but it would look odd and visiting supporters would take the ****s. Oh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 March, 2009 Share Posted 16 March, 2009 What has never been revealed is how many season ticket holders gave up their tickets in disgust and now do not attend every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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