trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 As we're all aware, the recent annual/financial report published tail end of 2008 clearly stated that SLH/SFC needed 'significant investment' from internal or external sources to remain a going concern. On the assumption that we will avoid going into administration during this 'ten point penalty deadline' week, it would suggest that the aforementioned investment has been found, would it not? Either that or the bank has adjusted the threshold for meeting the 'going concern' criteria? Any educated guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 admin by the end of the week imo :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 As we're all aware, the recent annual/financial report published tail end of 2008 clearly stated that SLH/SFC needed 'significant investment' from internal or external sources to remain a going concern. On the assumption that we will avoid going into administration during this 'ten point penalty deadline' week, it would suggest that the aforementioned investment has been found, would it not? Either that or the bank has adjusted the threshold for meeting the 'going concern' criteria? Any educated guesses? I am hearing that a meeting withthe IR in London did not go too well last week. Also hearing some salaries may not have been met. Plus I gather there was a Board meeting yesterday - a Monday is not normally a day when the Board meet unless there is something specific to be discussed. I know no more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I am hearing that a meeting withthe IR in London did not go too well last week. Also hearing some salaries may not have been met. Plus I gather there was a Board meeting yesterday - a Monday is not normally a day when the Board meet unless there is something specific to be discussed. I know no more than that. Seriously FF, does that last sentence mean that you the other bits ARE factual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Has anyone heard anything about us failing to pay a six figure transfer payment to Notts County for McGoldrick? Apparently their chairman mentioned it in their programme notes or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 admin by the end of the week imo :-( It'd be better in the long run if this did happen, although in the short term it'd seem like the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Any educated guesses? There is nothing in it for Barclays or Aviva to put us in administration at this point in time. Even if they wanted to and that was their intention, they would wait and see how the season pans out in the hope we stay up and therefore attract more season tickets renewals (More cash) than if we went down - Even that is unlikely imho, but i certainly can't see them doing it now. The IR is a different kettle of fish and until Duncan's post, i didn't think it was an issue for us. Recently Weston Saint (Who is obviously well connected at the club) said he didnt think there were any issues there, but if Duncans right, then this would be our biggest threat to admin and also coming out of it with a CVA. What is possible (From my very limited knowledge on this - and more than happy to be corrected) is that with the half year accounts due out, in less than 7 days (I think that's right) that the Auditors will no longer sign them off as a "Going concern", which effectively means we would have to put ourselves in voluntary administration and again, my guess would be that even with the points penalty being applied this year if we do it this week, Lowe will take the fine of publishing the accounts late and hold on for as long as possible, in the hope we stay up and that he can magic some investment or bring Crouch back into the fold on the promise of some money. The above might be complete ******** and is pure guess work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Has anyone heard anything about us failing to pay a six figure transfer payment to Notts County for McGoldrick? Apparently their chairman mentioned it in their programme notes or something like that http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~1600532,00.html John Armstrong-Holmes moved today to again dismiss rumours that Notts County are in serious financial difficulty. The Magpies' chairman said he is "totally fed up" with having to react to comments and innuendo that is having such an unsettling affect at Meadow Lane. He said: "Our vice-chairman Roy Parker issued a statement last week which made it plain to supporters that there's no truth in the rumours that we are on the brink of going back into Administration but it seems some people just don't want to listen to the facts. "I have already explained that we are having the same sort of problems as virtually every other business - and football club - in this country. "For example, Southampton owe us a six-figure sum as one of the David McGoldrick transfer payments that should have been paid last month. Hopefully, we will be receiving that money in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Saw this on the BBC Football Gossip page: Hundreds of players in the Championship, League One and League Two are in danger of being out of work this summer as up to 10 clubs could go bust because of the economic crisis. (Daily Mirror) I know it's the Mirror and it's probably old news anyway, but ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Thinking out loud here....why have we continued to play David McGoldrick if we owe Notts County a "6 figure sum" based (I assume) on appearances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10426~1600532,00.html John Armstrong-Holmes moved today to again dismiss rumours that Notts County are in serious financial difficulty. "For example, Southampton owe us a six-figure sum as one of the David McGoldrick transfer payments that should have been paid last month. Hopefully, we will be receiving that money in April. So they are okay because we owe them money! There fans should be worried if they are relying on a single bean from us from what some (itk?) people are saying on here. However, could they call it in and put us finally out of our misery? Has one club ever done that before, or would that make them hated in the football world? Thought: Send DMG back or get Crouchies Lawyer to sift through the T's & C's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Saw this on the BBC Football Gossip page: Hundreds of players in the Championship, League One and League Two are in danger of being out of work this summer as up to 10 clubs could go bust because of the economic crisis. (Daily Mirror) I know it's the Mirror and it's probably old news anyway, but ..... We'll be fine. In fact it could help us survive if a few of the clubs above us go bust. :smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 There is nothing in it for Barclays or Aviva to put us in administration at this point in time. Even if they wanted to and that was their intention, they would wait and see how the season pans out in the hope we stay up and therefore attract more season tickets renewals (More cash) than if we went down - Even that is unlikely imho, but i certainly can't see them doing it now. The IR is a different kettle of fish and until Duncan's post, i didn't think it was an issue for us. Recently Weston Saint (Who is obviously well connected at the club) said he didnt think there were any issues there, but if Duncans right, then this would be our biggest threat to admin and also coming out of it with a CVA. What is possible (From my very limited knowledge on this - and more than happy to be corrected) is that with the half year accounts due out, in less than 7 days (I think that's right) that the Auditors will no longer sign them off as a "Going concern", which effectively means we would have to put ourselves in voluntary administration and again, my guess would be that even with the points penalty being applied this year if we do it this week, Lowe will take the fine of publishing the accounts late and hold on for as long as possible, in the hope we stay up and that he can magic some investment or bring Crouch back into the fold on the promise of some money. The above might be complete ******** and is pure guess work not sure if auditors have to comment on half year accounts but i believe, from things i have heard and now read on here, that the directors are very near to going into voluntary administration because we cannot meet our day to day debts and they can be held liable if you trade and know you are skint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I saw on a man city website that they have heard a rumor we are going into admin on thursday this week and some of them are so sure of this info they are putting money on it dont shoot the mesenger i cant post the link as I am a retard but is on the bluemoon-mcfc fans forum site it says the source is Bagpuss I am not saying it is true just passing on the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Sorry to digress and I do not mean to be flippant, but is the TSW match deposit safe? Imagine the scenes if that got gobbled up and the arseholes took this site down with them. I am hoping that this is more spin but I hate it when threads like this gain momentum, this is going to be a long week imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I saw on a man city website that they have heard a rumor we are going into admin on thursday this week and some of them are so sure of this info they are putting money on it dont shoot the mesenger i cant post the link as I am a retard but is on the bluemoon-mcfc fans forum site it says the source is Bagpuss I am not saying it is true just passing on the info Here: http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113326&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 If you were Paul Allen or similar, would you; A. Give smirking ****face Lowe what he wants for his shares. B. Wait for inevitable administration and get the club for a song! If Lowe had sold to Allen in the first place we wouldnt be in this position and Lowe would have got a fair price for his shares rather than the big fat zero he will walk with when we go into administration. I know who i blame. Up The Saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I saw on a man city website that they have heard a rumor we are going into admin on thursday this week and some of them are so sure of this info they are putting money on it dont shoot the mesenger i cant post the link as I am a retard but is on the bluemoon-mcfc fans forum site it says the source is Bagpuss I am not saying it is true just passing on the info http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113326&p=1787443&hilit=southampton#p1787443 edit: Hamster got there before Trousers. Always the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 not sure if auditors have to comment on half year accounts Cheers didnt know that, although im still sure that the only people that would put us in admin is ourselves and it would have to be a mighty big hole for lowe to actually flick the switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsdan Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I am hearing that a meeting withthe IR in London did not go too well last week. Also hearing some salaries may not have been met. Plus I gather there was a Board meeting yesterday - a Monday is not normally a day when the Board meet unless there is something specific to be discussed. I know no more than that. I have to agree with Gemmel, if that statement is true then it is by far the mot concerning thing I have read with regard our finances. As has been said by others it is not in Barclays' or Aviva's interests to put us into administration as long as we are actively looking to pay off the debts, even if we're struggling to do so. Revenue and Customs is a completely different issue though as they are far more likely to put us into administration. If they are one of the major creditors then, from my understanding, it would also give us problems coming out of administration, if we are able to do so, because they are unlikely to accept the payment of football debts before their own (I believe the settling of football debts, for example any money we owe to Notts County for McGoldrick, is required by the football league for the club to retain its registration). They are also unlikely to accept a CVA so on coming out of administration we can expect to see a similar 17 point deduction to the one suffered by Bournemouth and Rotherham this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=113326&p=1787443&hilit=southampton#p1787443 edit: Hamster got there before Trousers. Always the way. Yea but in my haste I neglected to check the posters credentials? My bad (I think that's what they call it nowadays). Poster standytogilvy ie St (!) Andy T Ogilvy (as in Ian - The Saint?) Nice one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Yea but in my haste I neglected to check the posters credentials? My bad (I think that's what they call it nowadays). Poster standytogilvy ie St (!) Andy T Ogilvy (as in Ian - The Saint?) Nice one Where did you get the 'Ian' bit from (sorry, brain on a go-slow today...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Cheers didnt know that, although im still sure that the only people that would put us in admin is ourselves and it would have to be a mighty big hole for lowe to actually flick the switch. Like not paying a major creditor (Notts County) on time, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 There is nothing in it for Barclays or Aviva to put us in administration at this point in time. Even if they wanted to and that was their intention, they would wait and see how the season pans out in the hope we stay up and therefore attract more season tickets renewals (More cash) than if we went down - Even that is unlikely imho, but i certainly can't see them doing it now. The IR is a different kettle of fish and until Duncan's post, i didn't think it was an issue for us. Recently Weston Saint (Who is obviously well connected at the club) said he didnt think there were any issues there, but if Duncans right, then this would be our biggest threat to admin and also coming out of it with a CVA. What is possible (From my very limited knowledge on this - and more than happy to be corrected) is that with the half year accounts due out, in less than 7 days (I think that's right) that the Auditors will no longer sign them off as a "Going concern", which effectively means we would have to put ourselves in voluntary administration and again, my guess would be that even with the points penalty being applied this year if we do it this week, Lowe will take the fine of publishing the accounts late and hold on for as long as possible, in the hope we stay up and that he can magic some investment or bring Crouch back into the fold on the promise of some money. The above might be complete ******** and is pure guess work Nope, not complete *******. When looking at appointing an Administrator Barclays and Aviva will look at the anticipated defecit (the loss that they are likely to take) as well as the reputational risk. Seeking to appoint now would be unlikely to generate significantly more funds for creditors than waiting until the end of the season but would probably carry a significant reputational risk generating negative publicity (especially in the Soton area). Sadly HMRC care much less about reputation. If the revenue are not being paid they are unlikely to be comfortable with the amount that they are owed (which is likely to be a BIG number) continuing to increase each month. They might (MIGHT) make a statutory demand and seek a winding up petition to force the club to pay up. If this happens then the directors will need to either pay up the amount that they owe, or seek the protection of some form of formal insolvency procedure to prevent the Company being placed into Liquidation and would likely seek to appoint Administrators themselves. The auditors not signing off on the Company being a going concern doesn't automatically mean that the Company has to go into administration however the directors would most likely need to assesst heir options to prevent any action being taken against them in the future. Hope that make sense... CS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Sorry to digress and I do not mean to be flippant, but is the TSW match deposit safe? Imagine the scenes if that got gobbled up and the arseholes took this site down with them. I am hoping that this is more spin but I hate it when threads like this gain momentum, this is going to be a long week imo. IF the Club went into Administration and you couldn't play the game then the deposit would be an unsecured claim (i.e. you probably wouldn't get it back). However I assume that it is a small deposit and that you haven't paid in full. If this is the case then the administrator will probably get more money from allowing the game to go ahead (and collecting the additional amount due) than from telling you to sling your hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 not sure if auditors have to comment on half year accounts but i believe' date=' from things i have heard and now read on here, that the directors are very near to going into voluntary administration because we cannot meet our day to day debts and they can be held liable if you trade and know you are skint[/quote'] Wrongful trading you mean. The directors can cover their backsides by having a reasonable belief that the company will trade out of it. I don't know what such a belief could be based on unless we are doing deals to sell players. It surely can't be based on ticket revenue. Perhaps it's based on the reduced salary costs once the out of contract players move on at the end of the season. I would not want to be in their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 the administrator will probably get more money from allowing the game to go ahead (and collecting the additional amount due) than from telling you to sling your hook. Okay, I may have to feign injury in that case. As some on here are obviously very well versed in these matters, can someone tell me where I need to be looking for real time news on this please? Or is it best to wait for the Echo, Radio Solent, SSN etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 The last published account indicated that provision had been made to meet all HMRC liabilities... so not sure why we would suddenly be in the mire with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Big question here, as it would make a big difference to mine (and many others) attendance at games. If we do go into administration this week. What happens to any money that we consequently spend as customers? Would one single penny go to the board after the announcement, or is it ALL there for staff wages and creditors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 The last published account indicated that provision had been made to meet all HMRC liabilities... so not sure why we would suddenly be in the mire with them... BUT that was over 6 months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 BUT that was over 6 months ago Indeed. I'm up-to-date with my personal tax payment "today". Doesn't mean I will be "tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Big question here, as it would make a big difference to mine (and many others) attendance at games. If we do go into administration this week. What happens to any money that we consequently spend as customers? Would one single penny go to the board after the announcement, or is it ALL there for staff wages and creditors? When a company goes into administration in effect what happens is that all of the Company's liabilities (including the bank account if it is in overdraft) are effectively frozen and there is a moratorium over the Company's debts. This basically means that nobody can demand the money that they are owed until the administrator has been through the formal process and decided how much each creditor will get. The administrator will open a new bank account which will be completely unconnected with the previous running of the club with which to operate teh Company going forward. Any money which you (or anybody else) pays to the Company after the point of the Administration Order goes into this new account for the running of the administration and would not be available to the Directors. HTH. If you want me to be more specific on anything just asked and I'll do my best (provided my boss doesn't come back into the room) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 I was told we were fully paid up with the IR. That doesnt mean we would not go into administration, in fact it would be best case if were paid up with them (if the horrible eventuality happened) as it is easier to get out of administration if they are not involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Hamster - a fair bit of what you would pay after administration would go to the administrators - those fellas aint cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Hamster - a fair bit of what you would pay after administration would go to the administrators - those fellas aint cheap! Very reasonable actually.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 there isnt a massive drop in the share price 0.75p (although 5%) and so no real panic selling at present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Hamster - a fair bit of what you would pay after administration would go to the administrators - those fellas aint cheap! Do you know what JM, I really had not considered them and that they'd want paying. Honestly. So it would not be a good time for fans to be ploughing money into the war chest for next season then? God, I hate being a plc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Very reasonable actually.... Source....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 In November, HMRC introduced 'time to pay' arrangements to help businesses and companies struggling with their cash flow during the credit crunch. They have been agreeing often quite long deferment periods very quickly, but will not operate this new regime where they feel that there is little likelihood of collecting the tax in the long run (e.g. because a business will go bust). IF FF's info is correct, it could be that HMRC have said they won't allow deferment of tax because of the going concern issue. Not unreasonable of them really, as it's difficult to argue that Saints' problems are due to the current economic situation! The link from the HMRC website, for those interested: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/pbr2008/business-payment.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Don't have to be a rocket scientist to know we are in trouble Will Rupert's last act to seek redemption be to save the fans the anguish of losing their 09/10 ST money by not releasing ST's yet There seems to be more leaks on this subject than there were below the water line on the Titanic. Either they are putting pressure on some people or we really are in the pooh I mean - the Man CITY web site? What do those guys from Abu Dhabi & Salford know that we don't? Oh yeah - there's the link Trousers - Abu Dhabi own Barclays...... hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 If we have postponed paying for DMG (100k?) or simply didn't pay it then that to me would suggest we either don't have the money or the money could of been used elsewhere. Which as FF says could be the IR. I know he is very well connected in the club plus there was a board meeting yesterday on a non traditional board meeting day. So something is up, just a question of what. Speaking to my connections in the club i asked about it and was told "very few people get to look at the books and know the real extent of the current finances", which makes me think Nickh saying last he heard they had paid up is not credible really. Guess we will see. Personally i hope it isn't the case at all because IR are a real bunch of bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Source....? My overdraft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 Don't have to be a rocket scientist to know we are in trouble Will Rupert's last act to seek redemption be to save the fans the anguish of losing their 09/10 ST money by not releasing ST's yet There seems to be more leaks on this subject than there were below the water line on the Titanic. Either they are putting pressure on some people or we really are in the pooh I mean - the Man CITY web site? What do those guys from Abu Dhabi & Salford know that we don't? Oh yeah - there's the link Trousers - Abu Dhabi own Barclays...... hmmmmmmm Abu Dhabi do? (sorry, couldn't resist) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2009 there was a board meeting yesterday on a non traditional board meeting day. How come we didn't hear about that on here like we 'normally' do...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 So it would not be a good time for fans to be ploughing money into the war chest for next season then? God, I hate being a plc. It would be exactly the same situation regardless of whether the club operated as a public or private limited company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 The delaying of season ticket sales will surely have a massive bearing on our ability to pay any debts as i would of thought we had budgeted a certain income from them this month. If we are not going to announce the prices until possibly the middle of next month we quite simply are not getting any revenue coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 there isnt a massive drop in the share price 0.75p (although 5%) and so no real panic selling at present but as the bulk of the shares are held by the ruling junta , it would be illegal for them to sell knowing that we were going into admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 If we have postponed paying for DMG (100k?) or simply didn't pay it then that to me would suggest we either don't have the money or the money could of been used elsewhere. Which as FF says could be the IR. I know he is very well connected in the club plus there was a board meeting yesterday on a non traditional board meeting day. So something is up, just a question of what. Speaking to my connections in the club i asked about it and was told "very few people get to look at the books and know the real extent of the current finances", which makes me think Nickh saying last he heard they had paid up is not credible really. Guess we will see. Personally i hope it isn't the case at all because IR are a real bunch of bastards. Of course i was lying StM, it stands to reason doesnt it? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 but as the bulk of the shares are held by the ruling junta ' date=' it would be illegal for them to sell knowing that we were going into admin[/quote']Thats fair comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 March, 2009 Share Posted 24 March, 2009 The delaying of season ticket sales will surely have a massive bearing on our ability to pay any debts as i would of thought we had budgeted a certain income from them this month. If we are not going to announce the prices until possibly the middle of next month we quite simply are not getting any revenue coming in.but the only way they would sell at present is at rock bottom prices. If we manage to stay up the extra income will be 10-20% in what the club can charge. Perhaps the lack of a loan signing may be due to us not being able to raise the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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