Barry the Badger Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11753 Re Mike Osmans comments about always hearing how great the fans are but now we have to prove it by filling the ground... Is it just me or is anybody else starting to get a bit hacked off with the constant guilt trips from people at the club? I mean, I know we're in huge trouble and I am planning to go along to this game, visit the megastore again etc etc. But I'm now getting fed up of reading how we, the fans, have to continually prove ourselves to be good fans when most of us have been doing plenty already. I know they have to drum up support, but surely a different tack would be more appropriate considering how much money the fans have already raised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Totally agree. We've been calling for change for ages, we were ignored on a number of levels, now it's up to us to keep the club in existence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 yeah fooks me off, considering my family has paid over a 1000 in going to saints this year and they say all this ****e whilst they get in for free in the boxes and probably donate p!ss all oooh they donate a 1000 pounds which is no where near what they get for free from this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 yeah fooks me off, considering my family has paid over a 1000 in going to saints this year and they say all this ****e whilst they get in for free in the boxes and probably donate p!ss all oooh they donate a 1000 pounds which is no where near what they get for free from this club. I heard Mike Osman nicked cash out of a collection bucket to buy Rupert a pint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 If all of the people who beg us to keep paying out were to pay out in ratio to what we pay out according to our wages etc, we would not need them to do so,would we? Because of my love for the Saints I have spent money in the shop, thrown money into the buckets and gone to two games that I had to borrow the money to allow the trips. When I go to Southampton I always take at least one of my kids. I am also getting tired of these trumped up stars telling us to dig even deeper. If they cared half as much as us they would do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 If all of the people who beg us to keep paying out were to pay out in ratio to what we pay out according to our wages etc, we would not need them to do so,would we? Because of my love for the Saints I have spent money in the shop, thrown money into the buckets and gone to two games that I had to borrow the money to allow the trips. When I go to Southampton I always take at least one of my kids. I am also getting tired of these trumped up stars telling us to dig even deeper. If they cared half as much as us they would do something about it. They are - by drumming up support. Personally I don't like it either. That's fine though as I am a big boy and don't allow others to dictate my decisions. Just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11753 Re Mike Osmans comments about always hearing how great the fans are but now we have to prove it by filling the ground... Is it just me or is anybody else starting to get a bit hacked off with the constant guilt trips from people at the club? I mean, I know we're in huge trouble and I am planning to go along to this game, visit the megastore again etc etc. But I'm now getting fed up of reading how we, the fans, have to continually prove ourselves to be good fans when most of us have been doing plenty already. I know they have to drum up support, but surely a different tack would be more appropriate considering how much money the fans have already raised? Correct and the implication from Osman is that Saints fans aren't so fanstastic when of course the hardcore who have attended every season since the relegation from the Premiership have been staunchly loyal regardless of who has been in the boardroom which is more than can be said for some 'celebrities' and I use that phrase in the loosest of terms. Ticket sales are probably very slow (not unsurprisingly) and Osman IMO is sounding a bit desperate and emotional blackmail from this joker is not going to get me anywhere near SMS a week Sunday. Like Deanovski has said I to have spent well over £1,000 at the club this season. Meanwhile, not one of our many overpaid players volunteered a paycut neither did the club insist on one, concerned about player's morale? What about the morale of the fans? I would suggest that McMenemy's time may have been better served giving some fatherly advice and coercion to our current professionals than some mutual back slapping with a few old faces. Must have been very tiring. As usual 'fund raising' has not been well managed and badly targeted at those with lease to give. I said a few weeks ago that this game could struggle to cover its costs and why I was keen to establish the costs of the Q&A night. Pointless holding events if the majority of the gate receipts cover the costs of holding the game just as well organise a raffle. We can only hope the new owners kick these people into touch with the possible exception of MLT. Their inflated sense of self-importance deserves to back fire on them and holding this game 2 weeks after when most of us are trying to forget what has happened is pure folly. I suspect the forum match tonight will be more entertaining and raise more money and without the nauseating and backhanded suggestions that unless we go we may not be so great afterall. Seems Mike Osman is willing to go to the end of the world for his 'beloved' Saints. Question is, will he be willing to stay there? We can but hope. To save money Mike, close the stands and open a corner and give the game a plug on your Sunday 'show' on Solent. You never know you may fill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Well, I don't care if there are some moaning minnies who take umbrage at the request for fans to turn out for the match. I'll be getting a ticket for me and my son. It will make a change going to a home match and not bothering about whether we win or lose. It is nice to see that there were those players in the club's past who are still prepared to make a personal sacrifice of their time and effort to help save the club that they played for and served with distinction. Credit to them and respect to those who answer that call in our hour of greatest need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11753 Re Mike Osmans comments about always hearing how great the fans are but now we have to prove it by filling the ground... Is it just me or is anybody else starting to get a bit hacked off with the constant guilt trips from people at the club? I mean, I know we're in huge trouble and I am planning to go along to this game, visit the megastore again etc etc. But I'm now getting fed up of reading how we, the fans, have to continually prove ourselves to be good fans when most of us have been doing plenty already. I know they have to drum up support, but surely a different tack would be more appropriate considering how much money the fans have already raised? I totally agree, I think its totally not on how we keep being told we need to do more when a) we have done loads already, and b) of all the people involved in the club, us fans are the least responsible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Well, I don't care if there are some moaning minnies who take umbrage at the request for fans to turn out for the match. I'll be getting a ticket for me and my son. It will make a change going to a home match and not bothering about whether we win or lose. It is nice to see that there were those players in the club's past who are still prepared to make a personal sacrifice of their time and effort to help save the club that they played for and served with distinction. Credit to them and respect to those who answer that call in our hour of greatest need. +1 I've got my 2 tickets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Correct and the implication from Osman is that Saints fans aren't so fanstastic when of course the hardcore who have attended every season since the relegation from the Premiership have been staunchly loyal regardless of who has been in the boardroom which is more than can be said for some 'celebrities' and I use that phrase in the loosest of terms. Ticket sales are probably very slow (not unsurprisingly) and Osman IMO is sounding a bit desperate and emotional blackmail from this joker is not going to get me anywhere near SMS a week Sunday. Like Deanovski has said I to have spent well over £1,000 at the club this season. Meanwhile, not one of our many overpaid players volunteered a paycut neither did the club insist on one, concerned about player's morale? What about the morale of the fans? I would suggest that McMenemy's time may have been better served giving some fatherly advice and coercion to our current professionals than some mutual back slapping with a few old faces. Must have been very tiring. As usual 'fund raising' has not been well managed and badly targeted at those with lease to give. I said a few weeks ago that this game could struggle to cover its costs and why I was keen to establish the costs of the Q&A night. Pointless holding events if the majority of the gate receipts cover the costs of holding the game just as well organise a raffle. We can only hope the new owners kick these people into touch with the possible exception of MLT. Their inflated sense of self-importance deserves to back fire on them and holding this game 2 weeks after when most of us are trying to forget what has happened is pure folly. I suspect the forum match tonight will be more entertaining and raise more money and without the nauseating and backhanded suggestions that unless we go we may not be so great afterall. Seems Mike Osman is willing to go to the end of the world for his 'beloved' Saints. Question is, will he be willing to stay there? We can but hope. To save money Mike, close the stands and open a corner and give the game a plug on your Sunday 'show' on Solent. You never know you may fill it. It comes as no surprise to see the usual vile comments from you towards a staunch Saints fan. Apologies for feeding the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2009 (edited) Well, I don't care if there are some moaning minnies who take umbrage at the request for fans to turn out for the match. Wes, if you actually read my post you would understand that I'm not 'moaning' about the request for us to turn up for the game. As I said "I know they have to drum up support" and I will be going. What I have "taken umbridge" to is the way in which it's done. Basically what Osman is saying is that if we don't fill the stadium then maybe we aren't as good a set of fans as he thought. Drum up support with rallying cries and asking for help, yes, fine. Guilt tripping fans into going, no. I just don't agree with people from the club telling fans (who have been putting our hands in our pockets for weeks now) that we need to prove ourselves. I don't care if you think I'm a "moaning minnie", this is not the type of plea the club should be carrying on the OS. Try reading the post again. Edited 7 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 I totally agree, I think its totally not on how we keep being told we need to do more when a) we have done loads already, and b) of all the people involved in the club, us fans are the least responsible That's the problem though a lot of fans stayed away last season and I was sat in many crowds of less than 15,000 so "lots have not done loads already" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Wes, if you actually read my post you would understand that I'm not 'moaning' about the request for us to turn up for the game. As I said "I know they have to drum up support" and I will be going. What I have "taken umbridge" to is the way in which it's done. Basically what Osman is saying is that if we don't fill the stadium then maybe we aren't as good a set of fans as he thought. Drum up support with rallying cries and asking for help, yes, fine. Guilt tripping fans into going, no. I just don't agree with people from the club telling fans (who have been putting our hands in our pockets for weeks now) that we need to prove ourselves. I don't care if you think I'm a "moaning minnie", this is not the type of plea the club should be carrying on the OS. Try reading the post again. Barry, Wes is going because he is feeling guilty having avoided going to games this season because of some bloke he didn't like in the boardroom. To think we use to complain about a players contribution. Wes you need to go but let's hope for you and others like you it's not to late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Barry, Wes is going because he is feeling guilty having avoided going to games this season because of some bloke he didn't like in the boardroom. To think we use to complain about a players contribution. Wes you need to go but let's hope for you and others like you it's not to late. Don't drag me into that stuff NC. I'm not interested in points scoring. Just want to get people's views on the current fund raising techniques from the club, which I feel are sometimes crossing the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Correct and the implication from Osman is that Saints fans aren't so fanstastic when of course the hardcore who have attended every season since the relegation from the Premiership have been staunchly loyal regardless of who has been in the boardroom which is more than can be said for some 'celebrities' and I use that phrase in the loosest of terms. Ticket sales are probably very slow (not unsurprisingly) and Osman IMO is sounding a bit desperate and emotional blackmail from this joker is not going to get me anywhere near SMS a week Sunday. Like Deanovski has said I to have spent well over £1,000 at the club this season. Meanwhile, not one of our many overpaid players volunteered a paycut neither did the club insist on one, concerned about player's morale? What about the morale of the fans? I would suggest that McMenemy's time may have been better served giving some fatherly advice and coercion to our current professionals than some mutual back slapping with a few old faces. Must have been very tiring. As usual 'fund raising' has not been well managed and badly targeted at those with lease to give. I said a few weeks ago that this game could struggle to cover its costs and why I was keen to establish the costs of the Q&A night. Pointless holding events if the majority of the gate receipts cover the costs of holding the game just as well organise a raffle. We can only hope the new owners kick these people into touch with the possible exception of MLT. Their inflated sense of self-importance deserves to back fire on them and holding this game 2 weeks after when most of us are trying to forget what has happened is pure folly. I suspect the forum match tonight will be more entertaining and raise more money and without the nauseating and backhanded suggestions that unless we go we may not be so great afterall. Seems Mike Osman is willing to go to the end of the world for his 'beloved' Saints. Question is, will he be willing to stay there? We can but hope. To save money Mike, close the stands and open a corner and give the game a plug on your Sunday 'show' on Solent. You never know you may fill it. Rupert It really does grate you that people care about the empty shell that you left behind after you have sucked the life blood out of it. Do you have no compassion.I know the answer to that after you had the front to turn up to the Forest game. Sir you are a complete buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Don't drag me into that stuff NC. I'm not interested in points scoring. Just want to get people's views on the current fund raising techniques from the club, which I feel are sometimes crossing the line. All a bit chicken and egg though Barry, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2009 (edited) All a bit chicken and egg though Barry, don't you think? No, not really. I don't want this to be another 'whose fault is it' thread. The comments from Osman just felt as though they were pushing what I felt was fair in terms of the clubs push for funds. Clearly not that many people agree. Fair enough. Edited 7 May, 2009 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Correct and the implication from Osman is that Saints fans aren't so fanstastic when of course the hardcore who have attended every season since the relegation from the Premiership have been staunchly loyal regardless of who has been in the boardroom which is more than can be said for some 'celebrities' and I use that phrase in the loosest of terms. Ticket sales are probably very slow (not unsurprisingly) and Osman IMO is sounding a bit desperate and emotional blackmail from this joker is not going to get me anywhere near SMS a week Sunday. Like Deanovski has said I to have spent well over £1,000 at the club this season. Meanwhile, not one of our many overpaid players volunteered a paycut neither did the club insist on one, concerned about player's morale? What about the morale of the fans? I would suggest that McMenemy's time may have been better served giving some fatherly advice and coercion to our current professionals than some mutual back slapping with a few old faces. Must have been very tiring. As usual 'fund raising' has not been well managed and badly targeted at those with lease to give. I said a few weeks ago that this game could struggle to cover its costs and why I was keen to establish the costs of the Q&A night. Pointless holding events if the majority of the gate receipts cover the costs of holding the game just as well organise a raffle. We can only hope the new owners kick these people into touch with the possible exception of MLT. Their inflated sense of self-importance deserves to back fire on them and holding this game 2 weeks after when most of us are trying to forget what has happened is pure folly. I suspect the forum match tonight will be more entertaining and raise more money and without the nauseating and backhanded suggestions that unless we go we may not be so great afterall. Seems Mike Osman is willing to go to the end of the world for his 'beloved' Saints. Question is, will he be willing to stay there? We can but hope. To save money Mike, close the stands and open a corner and give the game a plug on your Sunday 'show' on Solent. You never know you may fill it. Nineteen Canteen you really are a prize *****, the only thing that is keeping the club going at the moment is the money that has been given by a local businessman to under write this game. Take that away and the club could well go to the wall but don't let that get in the way of you having a pop at some one who is trying to help out. You just hide behind your computer and keep on insulting people you tosser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Rupert It really does grate you that people care about the empty shell that you left behind after you have sucked the life blood out of it. Do you have no compassion.I know the answer to that after you had the front to turn up to the Forest game. Sir you are a complete buffoon. People were bemoaning the fact that we had second rate loan players in all season who couldn't encourage fans to attend league matches. Bit rich to listen to some zzz-list comedian/celebrity dish out veiled challenges that us fans are not that fantastic for not supporting some sad spectacle of a game witnessing how far some once great players have fallen. Prefer the memories and certainly prefer not to have my eardrums assaulted by the tiresome Osman. Should have organised a celebrity poker night so the fans could have mingled with ex-players and they could have donated more than just their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 As popular as ever i see Sundance. Even the original poster (who's views kind of mirror yours) clearly thinks you're a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 People were bemoaning the fact that we had second rate loan players in all season who couldn't encourage fans to attend league matches. Bit rich to listen to some zzz-list comedian/celebrity dish out veiled challenges that us fans are not that fantastic for not supporting some sad spectacle of a game witnessing how far some once great players have fallen. Prefer the memories and certainly prefer not to have my eardrums assaulted by the tiresome Osman. Should have organised a celebrity poker night so the fans could have mingled with ex-players and they could have donated more than just their time. Who's choice were the players? How much time/cash/effort did you spend supporting the team this season? If celeb game raises cash to keep the club afloat for a few more days that has to be a good thing.I do not think people are interested in what you prefer people want to see Saints survive long enough to be purchased by consortium/person who will take this club upwards and forwards. The only thing you managed to do was line your own pockets and **** this once great club up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Nineteen Canteen you really are a prize *****, the only thing that is keeping the club going at the moment is the money that has been given by a local businessman to under write this game. Take that away and the club could well go to the wall but don't let that get in the way of you having a pop at some one who is trying to help out. You just hide behind your computer and keep on insulting people you tosser. Is your brother not use to critics? An opinion Scally nothing more nothing less and this sham could have been avoided had the playing staff had their wages cut. We are not talking about supporting a childrens charity and we forget a lot of what gets raised will pay the wages of some overpaid undeserving mercenaries. The writing was on the wall back in September. Back then where were all these august and connected individuals/fans with their offers to rally the troops? Supporting the cause, doing nothing or undermining? If Mike Osman was as visible at the start of the season as he is now along with McMenemy then maybe I would be a bit more supportive of their efforts but they were less visible than a decent dead ball delivery from Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 7 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Would like to take my name off the shower of ****e this thread has (probably predictably) descended into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Would like to take my name off the shower of ****e this thread has (probably predictably) descended into. Barry, I think you made a genuine observation and it's worthy of discussion. What do you expect 30 subsequent posts after your's, saying +1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 7 May, 2009 Share Posted 7 May, 2009 Would like to take my name off the shower of ****e this thread has (probably predictably) descended into. I'd like to apologise if i've in anyway contributed to that. I do agree with you that Saints fans have done a lot of late (not myself personally i might add - although i was at Forest and will purchase the magazine DW is producing and will buy a membership in the summer). Mike Osman is a top bloke though and a friend of Le Tiss. If he's a friend of Le Tiss i class him as a good bloke as i respect Le Tiss. Hope that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowesboy Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Why should I go to this allstars game to help pay Surmans 10k a week wages when Surman wont even be playing because he is going away on holiday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Well, I don't care if there are some moaning minnies who take umbrage at the request for fans to turn out for the match. I'll be getting a ticket for me and my son. It will make a change going to a home match and not bothering about whether we win or lose. It is nice to see that there were those players in the club's past who are still prepared to make a personal sacrifice of their time and effort to help save the club that they played for and served with distinction. Credit to them and respect to those who answer that call in our hour of greatest need. I totally agree. These people are donating their time and probably their money for this event and if there is a different tack to be held, then could someone suggest what it is? In any case, Mike did not imply the fans are not so great, he said: " we need to prove it again". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Why should I go to this allstars game to help pay Surmans 10k a week wages when Surman wont even be playing because he is going away on holiday? sort of agree, surely a list of who is playing etc should be being advertised by now. not sure at this point of time if i will be going or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Why should I buy tickets from here, with zero chance of being able to attend, when SFC and its OS havent even got the courtesy to report on how many disadvantaged kids benefitted from the last organised effort to buy tickets in absentia to help the club ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Is your brother not use to critics? An opinion Scally nothing more nothing less and this sham could have been avoided had the playing staff had their wages cut. We are not talking about supporting a childrens charity and we forget a lot of what gets raised will pay the wages of some overpaid undeserving mercenaries. The writing was on the wall back in September. Back then where were all these august and connected individuals/fans with their offers to rally the troops? Supporting the cause, doing nothing or undermining? If Mike Osman was as visible at the start of the season as he is now along with McMenemy then maybe I would be a bit more supportive of their efforts but they were less visible than a decent dead ball delivery from Surman. Hi Canteen Saints are close to going tits up and there are some people who are doing all they can to stop this happening. It's great to here your views on what they are doing and to read your contructive critism but the one thing I'm still waiting to read about in any of your posts is what the one person who has taken more out of this club than any one else over the last 12 years is doing to help? I reckon this will be a really great post and could take you quite a while to write. I look forward to reading it. Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Hi Canteen Saints are close to going tits up and there are some people who are doing all they can to stop this happening. It's great to here your views on what they are doing and to read your contructive critism but the one thing I'm still waiting to read about in any of your posts is what the one person who has taken more out of this club than any one else over the last 12 years is doing to help? I reckon this will be a really great post and could take you quite a while to write. I look forward to reading it. Cheers John do not hold your breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Hi Canteen Saints are close to going tits up and there are some people who are doing all they can to stop this happening. It's great to here your views on what they are doing and to read your contructive critism but the one thing I'm still waiting to read about in any of your posts is what the one person who has taken more out of this club than any one else over the last 12 years is doing to help? I reckon this will be a really great post and could take you quite a while to write. I look forward to reading it. Cheers John A truly superb post, but unfortuately it is highly unlikely to illicit a response... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I don't personally interpret Mike Osman's plea as being derogatory to fans, inferring that if they don't attend then they are not real fans. While analysing that slant, why not place equal emphasis on the fact that he is stated to be pleading for the fans to attend? Surely that desperation for the event to be well attended indicates that it needs to be a success because that income is vital to keep us afloat. I'd rather concentrate on the reasons for the message rather than trying to read into it subtle nuances that Osman almost certainly did not intend. As for Nineteen accusing me of offering attendance at this event through feeling guilty at boycotting earlier matches, my conscience is entirely clear. I boycotted three matches on a matter of principle, but nevertheless almost certainly paid more through the turnstiles last season than he did on his early bird ST, so don't try and make out that you're a better fan than me, Nineteen, when you have already made it clear that you will not be contributing to this fundraising match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Hi Canteen Saints are close to going tits up and there are some people who are doing all they can to stop this happening. It's great to here your views on what they are doing and to read your contructive critism but the one thing I'm still waiting to read about in any of your posts is what the one person who has taken more out of this club than any one else over the last 12 years is doing to help? I reckon this will be a really great post and could take you quite a while to write. I look forward to reading it. Cheers John Scally, I've commented on this many times, read my previous posts and you'll get the picture. Bottom line had he not been ousted in 2006 to chorus of chants wishing he swung from the Itchen Bridge the righteous glory hunters would IMO not he required. My reasons for this are well known what isn't is why McMenemy and Osman were silent and the former highly damaging and critical in his views IMO. Right now there are far more interesting things to consider than whether your brother keeps hearing how fantastic our fans are. How many tickets have been sold so far? Enough to keep Surman in suntan lotion? Regards NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I don't personally interpret Mike Osman's plea as being derogatory to fans, inferring that if they don't attend then they are not real fans. While analysing that slant, why not place equal emphasis on the fact that he is stated to be pleading for the fans to attend? Surely that desperation for the event to be well attended indicates that it needs to be a success because that income is vital to keep us afloat. I'd rather concentrate on the reasons for the message rather than trying to read into it subtle nuances that Osman almost certainly did not intend. As for Nineteen accusing me of offering attendance at this event through feeling guilty at boycotting earlier matches, my conscience is entirely clear. I boycotted three matches on a matter of principle, but nevertheless almost certainly paid more through the turnstiles last season than he did on his early bird ST, so don't try and make out that you're a better fan than me, Nineteen, when you have already made it clear that you will not be contributing to this fundraising match. Wes, Correction - I will not contribute to ANY fundraising until the club have slashed the wages of playing staff but clearly that should have been done as soon as administration was bought upon us pretty much as would be the case in other industries. For the record Wes buy more than 1 ST because my family and I enjoy watching the Saints top that up with expenditure on replica kits, food and drink, programmes etc then I think I've done my bit. Matter of principle and all that guff. NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Scally, I've commented on this many times, read my previous posts and you'll get the picture. Bottom line had he not been ousted in 2006 to chorus of chants wishing he swung from the Itchen Bridge the righteous glory hunters would IMO not he required. My reasons for this are well known what isn't is why McMenemy and Osman were silent and the former highly damaging and critical in his views IMO. Right now there are far more interesting things to consider than whether your brother keeps hearing how fantastic our fans are. How many tickets have been sold so far? Enough to keep Surman in suntan lotion? Regards NC. The fact that finds it impossible to penetrate your cranium is not that we would have been in this desperate situation because he was ousted in 2006; we are where we are because he returned with the aid of the Quisling and by dint of crass stupidity with his bizarre experiment, royally f*cked us up good and proper. As for your last sentence, how can McMenemy be silent on the one hand and then highly critical and damaging in his views? Have you just contradicted yourself, Nineteen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 8 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 May, 2009 I totally agree. These people are donating their time and probably their money for this event and if there is a different tack to be held, then could someone suggest what it is? In any case, Mike did not imply the fans are not so great, he said: " we need to prove it again". Perhaps I'm being over sensitive having already spent a load of money I can't really afford in my attempts to help, but maybe some recognition of what the fans have already done, I'm yet to see a great deal of that on the OS, short of one article following the first bucket collection? As far as suggestions go, rather that "I'm always hearing the fans are fantastic, well now we need to prove ourselves again" how about "we know that the fans have already turned out for games, and raised money elsewhere, and it is truly appreciated by everybody at the club, but we have to ask again for help as the club is still in desperate trouble." Not a huge difference but an important one in terms of recognising the fans contributions so far. Although I started the thread, I don't really want to be lumped in with those angry individuals taking the opportunity to have a pop at everything from the players wages, Osman himself, the ex-pro's etc. Just wanted to highlight an area which I feel the club could improve on in these difficult times. Apologies if I'm being over sensitive, just so desperate for this all to be sorted properly really. Up the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 A truly superb post, but unfortuately it is highly unlikely to illicit a response... Or a response with anything but the usual facile empty contents (depending which NC troll is on duty) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Wes, Correction - I will not contribute to ANY fundraising until the club have slashed the wages of playing staff but clearly that should have been done as soon as administration was bought upon us pretty much as would be the case in other industries. For the record Wes buy more than 1 ST because my family and I enjoy watching the Saints top that up with expenditure on replica kits, food and drink, programmes etc then I think I've done my bit. Matter of principle and all that guff. NC And I buy two lots of tickets to each home match and also have expenditure on other ancilliary items too, so still probably spent more than two adult members of your family. But although your family love watching the Saints, you are not prepared to take them to watch one of the most vital games ever played, one that features past legends of the club, just because you object to the players wages. I detect the foul smell of hypocrisy wafting from your direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 And I buy two lots of tickets to each home match and also have expenditure on other ancilliary items too, so still probably spent more than two adult members of your family. But although your family love watching the Saints, you are not prepared to take them to watch one of the most vital games ever played, one that features past legends of the club, just because you object to the players wages. I detect the foul smell of hypocrisy wafting from your direction. Hypocrisy Wes or a matter of principle? I'm no different to you just believe charity begins at home and then to worthy causes.....football players on £10k a week? Don't think so. The club from day one have never said how much they need for how long and where they need to use the money. They run better appeals on kids TV Programmes and I can't afford to finance a bunch (in some cases) of overpaid mercenaries. Skacel going they are already saving £12k a week, that'll be £24k by Sunday week. I'm sure with a bit of effort that could be trebled in salary cuts alone. What have we read on the OS - thank you for your donations but still more needs to be done? What exactly? I have a teenage son so already feeding a black hole for my money so why would I want to feed another one despite Crouch's assurances to the contrary. As we have learned in the past talk is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 And I buy two lots of tickets to each home match and also have expenditure on other ancilliary items too, so still probably spent more than two adult members of your family. But although your family love watching the Saints, you are not prepared to take them to watch one of the most vital games ever played, one that features past legends of the club, just because you object to the players wages. I detect the foul smell of hypocrisy wafting from your direction. Yep, bizarre. Spends the last few months since his PR-engagement blaimng the fans, then starts going on about boycotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 May, 2009 Share Posted 8 May, 2009 Hypocrisy Wes or a matter of principle? I'm no different to you just believe charity begins at home and then to worthy causes.....football players on £10k a week? Don't think so. The club from day one have never said how much they need for how long and where they need to use the money. They run better appeals on kids TV Programmes and I can't afford to finance a bunch (in some cases) of overpaid mercenaries. Skacel going they are already saving £12k a week, that'll be £24k by Sunday week. I'm sure with a bit of effort that could be trebled in salary cuts alone. What have we read on the OS - thank you for your donations but still more needs to be done? What exactly? I have a teenage son so already feeding a black hole for my money so why would I want to feed another one despite Crouch's assurances to the contrary. As we have learned in the past talk is cheap. How strange - I happen to agree with much of NC's post here. I need to go lie down in a darkened room I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Why should I buy tickets from here, with zero chance of being able to attend, when SFC and its OS havent even got the courtesy to report on how many disadvantaged kids benefitted from the last organised effort to buy tickets in absentia to help the club ? I would have been less than 50. Probably less than 20. Actually, less than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 9 May, 2009 Share Posted 9 May, 2009 Why should I buy tickets from here, with zero chance of being able to attend, when SFC and its OS havent even got the courtesy to report on how many disadvantaged kids benefitted from the last organised effort to buy tickets in absentia to help the club ? Agreed. I did not expect or require any personal thanks, I would have liked to have seen a write up on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Rather than organise this game maybe Osman could give back all that money he got paid by the club to do all that awful "cheerleading" the other season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Rather than organise this game maybe Osman could give back all that money he got paid by the club to do all that awful "cheerleading" the other season. Was he not paid that for 'hosting a radio show' - his job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 (edited) http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/articles/article.php?page_id=11753 Re Mike Osmans comments about always hearing how great the fans are but now we have to prove it by filling the ground... Is it just me or is anybody else starting to get a bit hacked off with the constant guilt trips from people at the club? I mean, I know we're in huge trouble and I am planning to go along to this game, visit the megastore again etc etc. But I'm now getting fed up of reading how we, the fans, have to continually prove ourselves to be good fans when most of us have been doing plenty already. I know they have to drum up support, but surely a different tack would be more appropriate considering how much money the fans have already raised? Agreed. The club needs to be careful. We all know that a takeover is just around the corner (no matter how much brinkmanship appears to be being used). I think most of us want to put our support firmly behind the new owners. IF they take over before this game I sense a big turnout of celebration. If not, most people will keep their £20 in their pockets. Afterall its half the price of a new shirt for next season. Irony really. The Club need to realise that we're still punchdrunk as fans for all the daft comments on a similar vien attacking the fans that Wotte made a number of weeks ago on behalf of his boss and good friend Mr Lowe. I think Mr Wotte is still here. Credibility on this sort of line from the OS is wearing thin, even though Lowe has long since left. Edited 10 May, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Rather than organise this game maybe Osman could give back all that money he got paid by the club to do all that awful "cheerleading" the other season. Perhaps Lowe should set an example for him and repay the settlement that he and Cowan received when the two of them were ousted the last time, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 May, 2009 Share Posted 10 May, 2009 Perhaps Lowe should set an example for him and repay the settlement that he and Cowan received when the two of them were ousted the last time, eh? Sorry my sides are aching laughing so hard at that prospect coming off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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