Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Will they ever realise that there own personnal views cannot be taken as a general view of Saints fans as a whole? Unlikely it seems. This being a good example http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4423894.Saints_fans_want_boss_with_League_One_experience/ If ever there was a non story this is it. Nick and Richard are entitled to expressing their views but to use it as a "this is Saints fans view on X" each time by the media is very poor journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Maybe they looked at this first: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13536 then phoned round for a quote? Seems a pretty common opinion to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 but they are right. It is what most saints fans want. And to be fair to the echo it just says.."Nick Illingsworth believes that, with Saints facing life in League One next term, they will need a new manager with experience at that level." His opinion, its not like he said that every fan whats x and y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Where was RC mentioned in that article? Or did you just add that for effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I appreciate whay they have done in the past but they are now totally irrelevant for the future. In the case of Mr Illingsworth he and the Trust had a chance to stand up and be counted against Lowe but did nothing and derided the organisers of the marches. They have to be judged by that. I have no objection to them courting the media but will they please state they speak for NO ONE but themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopper Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 He`s wrong. We NEED Phil Scolari. Who we`ll get is quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 How bizarre, what do you expect the Echo to do get the phone numbers of every Saints fan, give them a call and quote them, I don't know Nick but he runs a popular Saints forum so he is the obvious choice for them to phone up and get an opinion from, he in no way states this is every Saints fans opinion, though I expect it pretty well is. It seems to me a lot of people on here have an agenda against him. Saying that I don't know him so he may be a complete knob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Chorley is not quoted in this article its Illingsworth someone from SISA i think and Steve Grunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Agree with them. Common sense to want an experienced manager who knows the game and players we will need to get out of this league. Not sure about the title of this thread and why they get so much stick when saying what most fans also think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I never said Chorley was in the article. I said this article is an example! Chorley has been used by other media outlets for similar purposes. To an extent I agree with what Nick says. However it irks me that he is a largely self appointed "voice of the fans" in media circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I never said Chorley was in the article. I said this article is an example! Chorley has been used by other media outlets for similar purposes. To an extent I agree with what Nick says. However it irks me that he is a largely self appointed "voice of the fans" in media circles. Why mention his name then? Maybe the media ask Nick for a fans view of things due to him running a popular long running Ugly Inside site/fanzine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 The problem i see having read the paper version is the difference in article title. In the paper version its titled, "Saints fans want new boss for League One". But the online article says "Saints fans want boss with League one experience". Only one person quoted talks about wanting league one experience and thats Nick Illingsworth. The SISA chap says he wants a british manager with english football league experience. Steve grant it seems does not think a change would be beneficial. Personally i would go for at least someone who has managed in the Championship and no lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 who cares about the article or this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 So is the feeling - the need for a manager with Ist Division experience - such that If WGS was available and wanted the job, we wouldn`t want him?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 My opinion of Chorley & Illingsworth is simple Tossers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I am the voice of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I am the voice of the fans. :prayer::prayer::prayer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Nick's a decent enough bloke - if he is asked for his view he will give it. Just the same as anyone on here would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Will they ever realise that there own personnal views cannot be taken as a general view of Saints fans as a whole? Unlikely it seems. This being a good example http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4423894.Saints_fans_want_boss_with_League_One_experience/ If ever there was a non story this is it. Nick and Richard are entitled to expressing their views but to use it as a "this is Saints fans view on X" each time by the media is very poor journalism. Nick and Richard are spot on - we need an experienced manager who knows League 1 and has desire. But most importantly we need to lose the last of Lowe's henchmen for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 My problem is not with Nick's view, seems perfectly valid to me, it is more with how the Echo have presented it. Personally my choice would be between Nigel Adkins or Paul Tisdale, but I am only a fan, what the feck do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Nick and Richard are spot on - we need an experienced manager who knows League 1 and has desire. But most importantly we need to lose the last of Lowe's henchmen for good. So you wouldn't like Strachan back if the very unlikely happens and he fancied a return? Or any other manager Championship level or higher experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 This thread just about justifies what I have thought for a very long time. Enough is enough of SISA and The Saints Trust "representing all Saints Fans" and there should be a new OFFICIAL SUPPORTERS association/club/group/ etc. This should be done with the backing of Southampton Football CLub and be the only official group other than "geographical" groups, like London Saints, Northern Saints, Away Saints or whatever, who should be under the umbrella of the new official group - whatever that may be called. It should run for the benefit of fans and the community of Southampton perhaps run on the lines of a foundation. It would be great to see the club claw back its flagging reputation for running the best soccer schools and get OUR youngsters to attend our schemes rather than Chelsea's and even The Skates. Sorry, gone off topic a little but I think it would be great for a saints supporters to group to be involved in supporting this sort of activity. I believe it would help to build support of Saints and keep the quality of our academy up for the future. Maybe, if the new owner and his board are littered with former players, then maybe they should make Ian Juryeff one of the first signings. To sum up, we need a strong united and dynamic Supporters Group that will be highly regarded by other teams fans. Any ideas or nominees welcome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 So you wouldn't like Strachan back if the very unlikely happens and he fancied a return? Or any other manager Championship level or higher experience? Strachen will not come back to Saints - would love him of course but... dream on We need someone who can get us out of the league. I am sure Nick would be happy enough to go for any manager with CCC or higher experience provided they understood League 1 too. We need to get out of League 1 and have someone with stretch potential to the Premiership over time. But fundamentally, you cant escape League 1 without someone who understands the teams and players etc in the league. So, essentially he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 My opinion of Chorley & Illingsworth is simple Tossers They told me you'd say that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 I despise Illingsworth, his attention-seeking and his self-appointment as the voice of the fans.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Email the echo and tell them to stop using Nick Illingsworth as "the voice of the fans" echosport@dailyecho.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Maybe they looked at this first: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=13536 then phoned round for a quote? Seems a pretty common opinion to me. Nor according to that poll you posted a link to... The top 3 choices are Paul Tisdale - No L1 experience Steve Coppell - Some L1 experience Let's just get behind whoever it is. Their money = Their club. - ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 The only supporters club worth taking any notice of is the one that watches the games. The other ones are just for a few to feel important. They are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 (edited) Looking at the fans reactions to Nick's comments and knowing that many of us were disappointed in how poorly he stood up to Lowe last season, whilst always seemingly being closer to the last Club leadership (along with others) than he really ought to have been I would advise Nick stops contributing to the debate. Nick failed to do anything to stop Lowe's plan last summer. I suspect the Illingsworth's are the type of commentators who should fade away under the new regime. Many percieve them (rightly or wrongly) as being too passive toward the last regime and having wasted their positions to oppose Lowe's daft policies. Frankly Illingsworth could as easily be associated with the previous regimes failure as anyone...not a fair call but... perceptions are key when rebuilding optimism under new leadership. Illingsworth should regard himself as part of the clean sweep. Nick - I suggest you avoid the limelight anymore. You were part of the old plc-Saints era. We need a new start all round... including fans leaders. You are not a unifying figure. Just read the comments. I suggest Nick sticks to watching games and commentating on players. He has proven he lacks the depth or courage for a strategic fight by failing to confront Lowe or muster support. Time for the Illingsworths of the world to relegate themselves back to the terraces. Edited 6 June, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Looking at the fans reactions to Nick's comments and knowing that many of us were disappointed in how poorly he stood up to Lowe last season, whilst always seemingly being closer to the last Club leadership (along with others) than he really ought to have been I would advise Nick stops contributing to the debate. Nick failed to do anything to stop Lowe's plan last summer. I suspect the Illingsworth's are the type of commentators who should fade away under the new regime. Many percieve them (rightly or wrongly) as being too passive toward the last regime and having wasted their positions to oppose Lowe's daft policies. Frankly Illingsworth could as easily be associated with the previous regimes failure as anyone...not a fair call but... perceptions are key when rebuilding optimism under new leadership. Illingsworth should regard himself as part of the clean sweep. Nick - I suggest you avoid the limelight anymore. You were part of the old plc-Saints era. We need a new start all round... including fans leaders. You are not a unifying figure. Just read the comments. I suggest Nick sticks to watching games and commentating on players. He has proven he lacks the depth or courage for a strategic fight by failing to confront Lowe or muster support. Time for the Illingsworths of the world to relegate themselves back to the terraces. We do not need fans leaders. They serve no purpose whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 We do not need fans leaders. They serve no purpose whatsoever. I think they 'served no purpose whatsoever' is sadly more closer to the truth. Ineffective and frankly now without credibility as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 A more Apt headline would be: SAINTS FANS WANT ILLINGSWORTH TO **** OFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Is it not simply that they are contacted by the newspapers etc..when printing such stories, that being the case why don't one of you contact the Echo provide your credentials and you can be a spokesman too and get c..unted off on a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadian Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Most of the anti Illingsworth comments appear to be vitriolic and nothing more than sour grapes or irrational hatred. He is not a self proclaimed voice of the fans but has been an active and visible Saints fan for quite some time. He has every right to voice his opinion and the only people that seem to think he is speaking for them are the ones getting all frothed up on internet message boards. If you don't like it then put yourselves forward. I can promise you that there will never be one person that will be able to speak for every single fan though. Personally I think there are people more worthy of our contempt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Most of the anti Illingsworth comments appear to be vitriolic and nothing more than sour grapes or irrational hatred. He is not a self proclaimed voice of the fans but has been an active and visible Saints fan for quite some time. He has every right to voice his opinion and the only people that seem to think he is speaking for them are the ones getting all frothed up on internet message boards. If you don't like it then put yourselves forward. I can promise you that there will never be one person that will be able to speak for every single fan though. Personally I think there are people more worthy of our contempt! Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Most of the anti Illingsworth comments appear to be vitriolic and nothing more than sour grapes or irrational hatred. He is not a self proclaimed voice of the fans but has been an active and visible Saints fan for quite some time. He has every right to voice his opinion and the only people that seem to think he is speaking for them are the ones getting all frothed up on internet message boards. If you don't like it then put yourselves forward. I can promise you that there will never be one person that will be able to speak for every single fan though. Personally I think there are people more worthy of our contempt! i agree i do not know why some posters get their knickers in twist. Their are more important things to worry about like having a club to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 (edited) Most of the anti Illingsworth comments appear to be vitriolic and nothing more than sour grapes or irrational hatred. He is not a self proclaimed voice of the fans but has been an active and visible Saints fan for quite some time. He has every right to voice his opinion and the only people that seem to think he is speaking for them are the ones getting all frothed up on internet message boards. If you don't like it then put yourselves forward. I can promise you that there will never be one person that will be able to speak for every single fan though. Personally I think there are people more worthy of our contempt! I have to say I actually agree with that. Point of my post was to point out that Nick has unfortunately lost credibility and yes a fresh face would certainly help, although his heart is in the right place his credibility is unfortunately shot. We need a clean sweep in every area of this club. Those that came and raised their heads above the parapet before MLT and Pinnacle ALL need to bury their heads for their failures. Its time for a real change. I hope someone else does come forward, but agree that whoever does is unlikely to unite the fans entirely. Edited 6 June, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 i agree i do not know why some posters get their knickers in twist. Their are more important things to worry about like having a club to support. I agree with that too to be honest... but it's today's story to comment on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 My point in the OP is less about Nick(as I said he is entitled to his views as long as he makes it clear they are just his views) and more about the Echo using his views as a newsworthy article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 My point in the OP is less about Nick(as I said he is entitled to his views as long as he makes it clear they are just his views) and more about the Echo using his views as a newsworthy article. Which implies Nick is not a credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Which implies Nick is not a credible source. Yes, in respect to being a leading story in a large regional newspaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Yes, in respect to being a leading story in a large regional newspaper. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Most of the anti Illingsworth comments appear to be vitriolic and nothing more than sour grapes or irrational hatred. He is not a self proclaimed voice of the fans but has been an active and visible Saints fan for quite some time. He has every right to voice his opinion and the only people that seem to think he is speaking for them are the ones getting all frothed up on internet message boards. If you don't like it then put yourselves forward. I can promise you that there will never be one person that will be able to speak for every single fan though. Personally I think there are people more worthy of our contempt! Why do we need to have a "voice" at all ??? If Illingsworth wants to stick his head up out of the trench and make comments than infer he speaks for a large volume of fans (sorry, they do come across like that, and after all he wormed his way in as the chariman of the Saints Trust after all), then he should expect it to be shot at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 lots of green eyed monsters, if it was not theses two it would be someone else , not worth getting upset about imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 lots of green eyed monsters' date=' if it was not theses two it would be someone else , not worth getting upset about imo[/quote'] Very true but SISA especially are an absolute joke. How big a membership do they have and what do they do as an association for the fans? You have Chorley and you have Foley as well and they are IMO the kind of level headed individuals that if you stand near them when they start off on their soap box then you are likely to get a shower of spit. I'm sure I felt it from my radio when I heard Foley on Solent the other week. It's embarassing the media approach this organisation but also very funny if you're not a Saints fan. IMO bigger comedians than Mike Osman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours. He always has neutral colours on. Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all. Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd. Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Whenever I have seen or walked past Nick at St Marys on matchdays I have never seen him where any Saints colours. He always has neutral colours on. Its got nothing to do with this thread I'll admit but just thought I would share it with you all. Very strange for the "voice of the fans" to not be decked out in Saints shirt, or jacket etc, its always struck me as odd. Perhaps you rise above that sort of thing when you are at the centre of the media circus !!!! tbf its better than looking like this You don't have to wear the colours to the game to be a good fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Pedro Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Why are some people so resentful of Nick I .Surely he is just responding to media questions as he is available and can claim to represent 'a number' of fans views. The Echo or any other paper are hardley likely to canvass every Tom ,**** and Harry every time an issue occurs are they? If you don't like it maybe you should get of you ar*e and form you own organisation or join an existing one and elect an alternative 'voice'. For what it's worth every time I've heard him interviewed he seems perfectly rational and appears to have the good of the club at heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Why are some people so resentful of Nick I .Surely he is just responding to media questions as he is available and can claim to represent 'a number' of fans views. The Echo or any other paper are hardley likely to canvass every Tom ,**** and Harry every time an issue occurs are they? If you don't like it maybe you should get of you ar*e and form you own organisation or join an existing one and elect an alternative 'voice'. For what it's worth every time I've heard him interviewed he seems perfectly rational and appears to have the good of the club at heart. The OP is more about the Echo's use of Nick or Richard for "newsworthy articles", not the content of what they both say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 6 June, 2009 Share Posted 6 June, 2009 Why are some people so resentful of Nick I. He sided with Lowe and he uses my ex membership of the trust to give weight to his opinions. He said that once you become a member of the Trust your membership will be counted for life as a Trust member. Therefore despite the fact i don't want my ex membership to be counted or to give weight to his opinions it's tough ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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