Ex Lion Tamer

I mean you have to say that working conditions are better now than 100 years ago - government made that happen

I agree that can be the case but it's just not acceptable to me to have a defeatist attitude. Government has done many good things for people along with the failures, we have to try, and if there are adverse effects then we refine the policy

So what's your proposal to help people who are stuck on these contracts?

And I'm trying to explain to you that that's irrelevant when others are suffering because employers are misusing them. And if people like them then they can still use them under labour's plans

That does need to be thought about, though some will presumably not want to go through the effort of training up new staff. The main thing I take issue with its you and the tories denying there is a problem

The employee doesn't have to accept the permanent contract, it's up to them. Did you even listen when Ed explained it?

No that's not what I'm saying

It doesn't. Clearly it works for some people. But other companies, like Sports Direct, are using it to exploit their workers and give them no security

I'm sorry if the tourism guy has to change his business model but it's worth it to protect the people who are being exploited

Ed rallying now. That economy section was horrific though. The public doesnt understand economics, and labour isn't trying to explain it

OK thanks, I was genuinely asking the question rather than trying to prove a point

The guy comparing the national economy to him buying a pint really was depressing

Mili certainly having a hard time here

You could argue is hyperbole but it's not an outright lie

But you can't give any examples

This may well just be my bias but I can't think when labour mislead people like this (under miliband)?

Cameron saying that our budget deficit was bigger than Greece, ignoring the fact that our economy is much bigger than theirs. The way he misleads people on complex economic issues is despicable

And yet that's where they put labour and the lib dems! https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2015

I struggle to imagine what kind of psycho would be further out into the blue territory

My recollection of this in the past is that no one comes out right wing https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-5.38&soc=-4.51

I think I'm right in saying that if Labour wins the election it will be the first time the Sun hasn't backed the winner (or something like that anyway). That said, their campaign against Labour doesn't seem particularly to be following public opinion when Labour is supported by in excess of 30% of the electorate

More evidence for Whitey Grandad http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/29/election-2015-miliband-tory-12bn-welfare-cuts-russell-brand-interview-live#block-5540fbe3e4b090ea3d998578

The trade unions are membership organisations paid for by ordinary people and with elected leaders. Tory donors are unelected rich people whose sole focus is making money for themselves and their shareholders. In not saying the unions always have it right but the two aren't really comparable

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