CB Fry

He would have been given time to win the Champions League, to learn how to beat Bayern and Barcelona. He did not deserve more time to work out how to beat West Brom. That was supposed to be a given. If Man U were fourth he would still be in a job.

I, for one, would like to congratulate Manchester United on winning the league championship.

What was the point of the nonsense league tables you like to post up? This one makes infinitely more sense than your utterly useless 'rolling league table'.

Unnessessarily harsh. Everton were a bottom half-relegation zone basket case for more than a decade before Moyes turned up with the likes of Mike Walker, the yo-yoing Howard Kendall and Walter Smith achieving eff - all. Moyes turned them into the top 6/7 force they now are, in another life they could be Sheffield Wednesday. Martinez hasn't proved anything yet. This time last year he was being relegated with a club that Steve Bruce had established in mid table.

Quite. And this time a year ago Martinez was completing a job of turning a Wigan team Steve Bruce had established in mid-table into a Championship team. It has yet to be seen whether Roberto vacancies consistently deliver top 6/7 finishes that Moyes did, although he's done brilliantly, he hasn't had to build a team yet. Moyes will take some time off (a good year) and then take the easy option at Celtic, or end up at Villa, Newcastle or a newly rich Premier League Sunderland, Notts Forest, Leeds United, or, just maybe, Saints.

So why do you mainly dribble on about merely Champions league qualification, rather than winning the Champions League outright every season for the next decade? Or, just like everyone else, you apply your own judgement about what is actually possible. But of course, wise old Franko is right - fourth - and everyone else who dares to enjoy the idea of finishing eighth and going for a cup - is "frickin sad" or something. Dream what you like Franko, just stop telling everyone else what to think.

Looks like one of those occasions when every newspaper in Britain decides to completely make up out of thin air the same story on the same afternoon. Such liars, ain't they?

MP is the Argentine Steve McClaren, Middlesbrough era. We just need an astonishing Europa League run to match what Brolly man achieved with his young team.

Quite. In other news, Mrs CBF significantly over - bought milk. One day FFS.

If you think that is something you can be actually be "condemned" to, then fine. Appalling word choice, I'd say. By the way, I have just had my breakfast and was condemned to having Lemon Curd on my toast as we'd run out of marmalade.

Thought someone would try that. Doesn't fit that definition either does it, especially as the article is a pretty vague argument about the financial fair play rules. Condemn in either use is a pretty definitive verb, and used in isolation as here - "Samuel condemns Saints" - makes the second definition redundant. If the thread was titled "Saints condemned to sell offs by FFP rules" you might have a point. But would still have been an appalling word choice as the article is about maybe we might have to sell or maybe we won't buy John Terry.

Mods, change the thread title, for God's sake. Not a single word of that article "condemns" Saints for anything, with the entire piece positive about Saints. We now seem to have got to a situation where forum dinlows are wailing about how the media hate us on the back of any article about us before they've even read it. And the fact it has happened this season when the media had been fawning over us more than at any time in our history, makes the situation even more mental. For the love of god.

Nice to see this get an airing again. Not sure I've seen Krueger say any like this for a start. And secondly, why on earth are people from Bristol or Swindon or Plymouth going to start supporting Saints? I bet their are plenty of, say, Manchester United and Liverpool fans in all those cities. It's kinda like a vague geographical closeness is pretty irrelevant in deciding which club to support.

So another season like this - finishing top eight two seasons in a row for the first time in 30 odd years - would not be out of the ordinary. Fair enough.

You are setting yourself up for disappointment then. 8th every season for us would be pretty amazing. You seem to be suggesting that eighth every season is now a given for us and it's just a case of whether or not we decide to invest to finish sixth or fourth instead. In the next decade we have a few finishes lower than eighth ahead of us. Seriously, get used to it.

As usual, an interminable ramble missing the point and arguing against things people haven't said anyway. Well done. Of course if everything fell our way, no players left and we unearthed two more gems then we might finish sixth or even fourth, one season, once. But is is spectacularly unlikely. What is tiresome on this forum are the petulant demands for "investment" and countless club statements backing this up; the childish grizzles that link any player leaving being an outrage; and the supreme arrogance that finishing eighth in the Premier League is now somehow beneath us, or boring or not worth dreaming about. The sneering dismissal of eighth place league finishes (achieved all of once in our last twenty odd seasons) by the likes of you is frankly not the wide - eyed innocent dreaming you are making it out to be. That attitude, and the toddler - tantrums that will greet the opening of the transfer window, represents most that is wrong with the Sky Sports era dinlow football fan. I hope to Saints fly again next season. Brilliant young players, a couple of decent additions, and, yes, a departure or two we may need to weather. But we are set fair to have another excellent season - 8th again would be brilliant - and try and get to Wembley too. That's optimism. Try it sometime.

Most of those voting would have never played against him. That said, I can't see him winning, too much non football baggage.

Well wasn't Capello on about six mil? So Roy's agent had plenty to go after with that kind of precedent.

There were plenty of rumours about Adkins. You dismissed them as made up journalist rubbish in your traditional pious way, most memorably on the very morning he was sacked. You know you did. And if you think generic statements from clubs carry more weight than a phone call from an agent to a good journo with a solid gold tip off of an imminent big transfer, then fine. Keep reading the match day magazine for "all the hot news from St Mary ' s", then. Or maybe move to North Korea.

For consecutive top eight finishes, including sixth once. If Poch does anything like that, he'd be a hero. And, Pulis spent millions at Stoke.

Adkins was a shock only to you because you'd spent the last several months (and that very morning) dismissing anything suggesting he was a dead man walking as lies made up by clueless journalists. Clearly not that clueless. And well done you: you think formal statements and official press releases are the most reliable sources of information. You are a government's dream citizen.

So a club saying players won't be sold means players definitely won't be sold? All right then. And how is the Southampton chairman a "more reliable source" on what Chelsea are doing than someone that works at Chelsea? How the eff does that work?

I remember you ranting like this about how newspapers all make stuff up out of thin air about an hour before Atkins sacking was confirmed. You might want to change the record. Whatever they do or don't know, it's more than you.

Maybe we should have spent fifty million or one hundred million on the training ground instead then. Who cares about budgets? I mean, look at Stoke or Sunderland and stuff. Them being in worse debt than us means we can spend loads more and not worry or something. Fantastic logic. Get real.