CB Fry

Where did I mention 38 games you freak? I stand by what I said, although at no point do I mention 38 games.

Downing plays for Liverpool. Lallana doesn't. Holt scored 15 last season and got nowhere near the England squad. The point is Lallana is going to have to score a hatfull of goals and/or have a breathtaking season to get anywhere near the England squad, especially with the legion of established names of attacking midfielders already in front of him in the queue. Being "quite good" for Saints is not going to get him picked, unless there is some kind of plane crash with the current England squad on it.

Does it differentiate us from Man U, Liverpool or even Arsenal? If it is what it is then its not unique. It's a red shirt.

Seems like a pretty low return for being lumbered with an utterly sh it kit for a season.

In the Echo. On here. South Today. One piece on Sky Sports News because it is July and nothing else is happening (and they would have done something even if it was stripes again). No one outside of the Saints bubble will care.

Will it balls. No one will care and certainly not an innovation like the sash was. People don't half get carried away on here.

And quite right too. If you're playing second tier football you're not good enough for international football. Agree on Lallana. No compelling case for him to play for England. He might step up but competition for his position is fierce and can't see him improving that much. He'd have to score 15-20 goals next season.

Why on earth would all the best players in England be bumming about in the Championship? Deluded.

Jees. Lallana not that good. Cork not that good. Lambert not that good. J Rod the only one with a realistic chance because he's a striker, we're light on strikers and if he has a Beattie-like hot streak could easily get a run out in a friendly.

A thousand times this. Wheeze of the week, mate. So, you like a bit of chess then? etc.

Scrap money back, scrap guarantees?

Err, no. How about the agent is full of it and is talking up interest in his own player to get the best deal for his player, and to tout him about to any Premier league club. "Unnamed Premier League club" is agent code for "no club in particular" or "several clubs, none of which have made a firm move yet, but this might flush them out".

Jay Rod will play for England before Lallana, who I think never will. There. I said it.

Where have I said this?

Correct. For example we are: filling the expensively assembled new ground with cut price 'flexible' tickets filling the new ground with thousands of people that aren't Saints fans at all just people that want to see a Premier League match filling the ground on the back of our gigantic catchment area stretching from Dover to Cornwall to Bristol and Guildford fill the ground with thousands of saints fans who previously have never even tried to get tickets but probably will with ten thousand more to choose from filling the ground with the wives and girlfriends that tagged along to our Wembley day out filling the ground because of Chelsea in 1983 or something filling the ground because they said man couldn't walk on the moon and the latest wheeze... filling the ground with people from Portsmouth, city of our hated rival. (this of course wouldn't happen in any other city in Britain). Just Southampton. So a pretty long list of speculation guesswork and wild assumption, neatly dressed up in a red and white 'I'm a super fan, me' scarf. And desperately trying to make anyone who disagrees with them as a anti-Saints pessimist. I honestly think it is only a about five people on here that beleive any of this horsesh it but you have to admire their perserverence. The rest of us? Hey, lets wait and see.

This kinda pi ss es on your previous ramblings about clubs geographically close together being unable to grow like MegaSolentSaints doesn't it? If you believe the above then the people of Derby will be buying red scarves by the truckload if Forest go up. Not such a barrier after all. Thanks for clearing that up.

So, whats that about mis-quoting... Jesus christ help us.

Its also pretty simple. These people will be accounted for in our forthcoming leap in gates back up to 31-32k. These people are not a reason for 8,9 or 10 thousand extra seats at significant cost.

...and our resident forum geniuses like to say that clubs in cities with other clubs close by don't have our potential because the fanbase is split. But for Saints turns out this isn't a problem after all because Portsmouth is a potential hotbed of Saints fans. Basically Saints are simply amazing and all the rules that the forum genuises apply to other clubs, other cities and other catchment areas don't apply to us.

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Hmmmm. Thanks for saying that. Hope your clueless chum Wes Tender is reading. It is of course bo ll ocks. We've had this apparent gigantic catchment for decades. All these "crammed together" clubs in the midlands though get perfectly comparable gates to us, often bigger. Our potential to grow gates is no bigger than Forest, Derby or Leicester, or Sheff Weds or whoever. The catchment area is just thickos scrawling red lines on a map of the south of England. Total, utter myth.

Oh shut up you dopey old tart. VFTT is a good sensible balanced poster whose opinions I read with interest. Happy to differ on definition of hardcore (I'd say it was go to matches come what may: 16-18,000 did precisely that after all) but really neither here or there. It's nothing like trying to educate a total spanner like you.

What are you grizzling about? I know at least four people who went to Wembley who had never been to, and will never go again, to a Saints match. Also, all I said earlier was that your sprawling list of people that used to go to SMS and then didnt but now might do again will be accounted for in our move from 25/6/7k gates to 32k gates. Those people are not a reason to spend millions on new seating. Saints v West Brom at 3pm in November 2015 is not a jolly day out in Wembley in the sun. You do understand don't you? Yes?

Disagree. Next time we're on hard times they'll be someone to blame be it chairman or manager. Its what happens when you're rubbish. People find a reason not to go. 18k hardcore. I'm not one of them by the way so no posturing here.

18,000 or so avg attendance in our champ relegation season, so your hardcore is a bit off. Didn't read the rest. Unquestionably tedious rambling around sixteen points of the debate with no actual point made. Am I right?