CB Fry

Err - Martinez played in the lower leagues for many seasons. Di Matteo proves that inexperienced managers can deliver, but we all know that. Doesn't make Wotte a good manager. He isn't and needs to go immediately.

Remind me what Wotte has done to "earn his chance". Must have been a different manager completely involved in the worst season we have suffered for thirty years or is my memory playing tricks? Wotte didn't walk out on us because this is the best job he is going to get in football anywhere in the world. Let's not kid ourselves that he is britains most loyal servant. Wotte out, tomorrow. "Stability" under Wotte is the last thing we need.

No sh*t sherlock. Thanks for that . I'm not complaining about the reprint of the quotes, my point is the lift of the entire article with it's ultra-local copy including the schools this bloke went to in Heaton. Would your opinion of him be different if a) he had been to a different school in Heaton? or b) you didn't have any idea what school he went to in Heaton? Echo readers do not care about "this information", cheers. Take some time to rewrite it, please, lazy Echo journos, especially as this is your biggest story of the year.

Incredibly lazy by the Echo to recycle something that is clearly from the (I guess) Gannett/Newsquest owned Bradford paper - the references to the schools this bloke went to is a bit of a giveaway, as is the "by Echo reporter" byline. This normally means a PA rehash, which is okay sometimes. But being this is one of the biggest stories in the city of the year, the Echo should be taking more time and care on it than this. Frizinghall Middle School you say? Get him on board then....

Actually, no it can't.

The fact that it's written by the Newcastle correspondant should give you a clue. It's not a story for us, its a story to scare Toon fans. If this journo is in Shepard's pocket as others have said then it is probably connected with his plans to buy the club and a bit of spin to put a bit of peril into the deal to speed it up. Although if I was a NUFC fan I wouldn't want Shearer anyway. Job's too big for him. That said, I think he'd get us out of L1 as long as he had a decent assistant.

I think its being incredibly pessimistic. Portsmouth are very likely to be relegated from the Premier League in the next three years, regardless of their rich owners. If Newcastle, with the fifth biggest wage bill in the league can go down, then I think Pompey are more than capable of having a nightmare season. And in those three years we will be back in the CCC. So that's three years having us in the same division, meaning we could finish above them in the fourth year. Perfectly possible, so us being above PFC in five years is fairly realistic. And I've got no rose coloured specs on.

Micky Adams is not going to leave a manager's job at Port Vale to be assistant to Wotte. Personally, I would be gutted if the first thing the new people did (whoever they are) was to confirm Wotte's appointment for the rest of the season. He's got to go, immediately. Don't let the last few weeks cloud your judgement, don't sh*g him just because he's been really supportive when you had a "tough time". Come October he'll still be the same ugly wierdo from the pub but now he's a clingy as fu** weirdo who you now can't shake off because he "thinks he loves you".

We knew what you were going to say.

You do know you could get a TV ad on an episode of Coronation Street every week for a year for about £15m. Or, if you really wanted to sell fridges to football fans, in the ad breaks in every single CL game shown on ITV. There are more efficient ways of building a national brand than buying a third tier football club. Not saying they won't buy us, but that wouldn't be the reason. It could be (Very) Extravagent Local PR and/or corporate entertaining for key docks contacts (including the council) maybe, but still, it'd be cheaper just to give them a backhander. God knows why they want us (if they do) but by god love em for it.

I'd say in the world of business generally, that kind of thing is pretty common. Can't see Lowe buying us though, although christ knows anything's possible now. At least these people aren't the only option.

Amen, amen, amen.

My question was about exactly why Luton got deducted those additional points - go and find out, and then explain why we would get those points deducted. That's my original question, but you won't ever go and find out because it blows your silly theories out of the water (clue - it isn't just CVA and admin). And I never despute clubs can be deducted more points over the CVA issue - I've said it several times on this forum - but we're not talking about CVA deductions, are we, just "additional" points deductions from the league playing "hard ball" (your words). ie the league in your view deducting points for the sake of punishment. I have said many times we may be deducted additional points for the CVA thing. But that is not under discussion with the league at present. Not sure why you are claiming I'm the one with a crystal ball - it's not me aimlessly speculating with theory upon theory which gets endlessly rewritten when more facts appear. Alpine's hero Failka lied about 15 points, so Alpine has to make out the league has backtracked. Of course they have. I am dealing in facts, you are just a conspiracy theorist. There's nothing I have said that isn't 100% in the public domain. And you probably are educated (trust me, it isn't "much higher" than me) but do you ever read what you write? If you are clever, why are all your posts filled with such malevolent bile and hatred for so many people, and you demonstrate so little grasp over how human beings in business, in administration, in life actually work?

It was clear that we had 7 days. Sorry it was. Not sure how your assessment of Fry not preparing an appeal is then evidence of the league back tracking. This appeal thing is a complete red herring anyway, forget it. If you were running a club (ie a league), would you take on a new member who was determined to drag that club through the courts for the next nine months? Would you? Or would you say, maybe we don't want you in our club, and if you want to drag us through the courts then fine, just don't drag the rest of our club through it as well.

Pinnacle would only really have the support of Mohammad Al Pine Saint who is the only human being alive hanging on billionare Micky Fialka's every word in his noble war against the evil, evil league.

Yes we did - the 7 days thing was common knowledge and clear as you like on the day we had the deduction - the opportunity to appeal was back in April. Google it. The FL have not back tracked, on anything, at all, since they deducted the 10 points.

The bonkers theories go back further than that. George Burley was losing games on purpose because that was the best way for him to keep his job, keeping us down in the CCC meant that Burley would get a longer contract, but getting promoted to the Prem meant he would get "found out". Or something. Dear old Alpine comes from the Mo Al Fayed school of self assured top of head nonsense. Don't think any of us will ever get through to him with awkward stuff like, you know, "truth" or "reality". He's pretty special like that.

You're an idiot. What exactly are these 25 points for? Which clubs have been deducted those kind of totals before and why have they been deducted them? Get an education before you spout off about things you know simply nothing about. Nothing at all.

Right you are, Dr Kettle. How about you admit you were wrong instead of started yet more deluded threads built on more stuff from the dim recesses of your head. The FL haven't back tracked, Failka was making stuff up.

What a spanner you really are. Could it be, maybe, there was no bloody additional points punishment, ever. Your hero Micky Fialka was talking out of his arse yesterday, which we all worked out in seconds. Except you, who swallowed it hook line and sinker. Ten points. It hasn't changed a jot since day one, except in the heads of some divs on a messageboard.

You must be getting your retarded reactionary misinformation elsewhere then. The Echo is not "making a fortune" out of anyone. The local press nationally and internationally are one of the few industries more ****ed than lower league provisional football. If the Echo printed nothing for two days in a row you'd be frothing like a ***** on here and you know it, and you used to slag off the OS for printing anodyne interviews with our managers. Alpine in "just moan like a slag about everything" shocker.

Here's a clue:

....and the "kick a man when he's down" argument demonstrates the fundamental misunderstanding of why the 10 point punishment exists. Clubs living beyond their means and then kicking all their debts into the long grass to start again gain a sporting advantage over clubs that don't. That's what Leicester did when they binned their debts on relegation and scooted straight back into the Premier League debt free. That's called cheating. If we do survive, and I still think we will, we will have a massively reduced debt on the stadium, if not none at all. That's a sporting advantage, and that is what is corrected by the 10 points. And the players fans etc will benefit from that sporting advantage next season and onwards. If anything is "morally corrupt" its football clubs ****ing money up the wall and then sticking two fingers up at their local office suppliers, food suppliers, casual staff, painters/decorators, site maintainence contractors, St Johns Ambulance etc etc by giving them 5p in the pound for their goods. Or do you think that kind of thing should be encouraged in football? Maybe ten bonus points? Maybe a bonus point for every local business you screw over by going into admin? After all, why kick people when they're down?

Liable for what? "Basic English law" doesn't stretch to football clubs having a right to play in a particular competition. The league haven't done anything illegal.