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If there is no deal and it's a disaster then the EU have let the people of Europe down as much as the Tories have let the UK down. The whole mess was so avoidable, all the British people wanted was some control over who comes into their country, thats a basic democratic right and when Brussels told Cameron to get lost they made Brexit inevitable. They put political dogma over the democratic rights of the people they were supposed to be working for, there is no reason why the EU cannot work with every country having some control of immigration - if the country decides it needs it. Short term the safest thing to do would be to have another referendum and reverse the whole thing but that would be so dangerous long-term. Looks like were just going to have to crack on with a hard Brexit.

Problem is can we trust Reed and Co to hire someone decent? There were plenty of good managers around when we hired a guy who's greatest achievement was once finishing 10th in La Liga. No one on here thinks Hughes is the best manager in the World but it made sense to give him a go after keeping us up when we looked doomed. With the squad we have any manager will struggle IMO.

3/10. Our squad is a mess, we badly lacked creativity last season so what did we do in the summer - flog our most creative player. And considering we have also loaned out Boufal, bringing in Mo and Armstrong appears to be step backward in terms of creative options. The Armstrong signing was a weird one, a creative midfielder who didn't exactly set the Scottish league alight is hardly likely to be a success in the Premier League. Mo looks like he's going to be decent but will take a while to get used to the pace of the Prem. The creative midfield/attacking options needed major overhaul and it just didn't happen. Redmond has been good and Ings looks like a decent signing but aside from them there is a whole bunch of deadwood stealing a living.

I still look forward to games against the big sides like Man U, City and Arsenal, it's just Liverpool and the way they have destroyed our team, plus their tosser supporters, make it one to dread.

This, we should be able to grind out a 0-2 or 0-3.

How the hell can a sports cafe not be suitable for kids? Our club really is run by a bunch of tossers nowadays.

I disagree, if you look at any corner in slow motion you will see similar. It was very harsh. You could tell the ref was itching to give it, he was one of those ****s who looked desperate to even things up once we started wasting time.

We look better than we did under Pellegrino, I just don’t think the players are very good.

Not even interested in this game. The victims will win, just hope we don’t concede too many. The one good thing that could come from relegation is not having to play these filthy scouse ****s again for a while.

The **** headed the first in 1 yard from where McCarthy was originally stood.

Relegation form again, it’s going to be a long season.

Wouldn’t matter who’s man it was if the goalie did his job and claimed it.

He should have come out for it, the **** headed it in from 6 yards.

Ref was appalling, if that was a pen there should be 4 or 5 every game.

McCarthy ****ed up for the first goal.

Useless ****s

They are **** away, we have to win this one.

I thought he said he found it a couple of days before giving it to her but only the plod have the facts so it's probably not as odd as it appears. From what we know it could easily have been dumped by another Russian agent still over here and Dumb and Dumber we just sent over with the bottle or as cover.

Clearly it is those Russian guys but it doesn't make finding a perfume bottle in a bin (I think the guy was clear on that fact, just couldn't remember which one) 4 months later is a bit odd. Especially considering the amount of cops, spooks and army going over Salisbury in the months after the attack. I'm not a seasoned bin dipper but I would imagine that finding a packaged bottle of perfume is a bit of a one-off and likely to stick in your mind a bit - even for someone with a drug habit.

One thing that is odd though is how the perfume bottle was found in a bin 4 months after the original poisoning.

Or they are just waiting for the Russians response before releasing further evidence. For example if they did bring the perfume bottlle into the country then it would probably be on the airport X-rays which would contradict their statement. Either way they are looking pretty guilty. Rallyboy is correct though about the evidence.

I don't think there is any doubt about this after reading the two guy's reasons for being in Salisbury. What a joke. Putin doesn't give a flying ****, he knows he can take out whoever he wants in this country and there's not a thing we can do about it.

It was never a money saving thing for me because I always missed a few games through work. It's more the convenience, being guaranteed a decent seat and being sat with the same bunch of mates. Not everyone is a penny pinching tight arse.

Just a pointless bull**** article. We’ve made a few bad recruitment descisions, that’s it. Was bound to happen with the rate the big clubs were poaching our talent same would happen to most outside the top 6. If Hughes finds the right formula and we’re a little bit lucky we could easily finish 8th again rendering every word of the article meaningless.

Here's what Norman Finkelstein, an American Jewish scholar who had everyone in his family, apart from his parents, exterminated in the Nazi holocaust has to say about the subject: What about when people use Nazi analogies to criticise the policies of the State of Israel? Isn’t that also a political abuse of the Nazi holocaust? It’s not a simple question. First, if you’re Jewish, the instinctive analogy to reach for, when it comes to hate or hunger, war or genocide, is the Nazi holocaust, because we see it as the ultimate horror. In my home growing up, whenever an incident involving racial discrimination or bigotry was in the news, my mother would compare it to her experience before or during the Nazi holocaust. When she saw the segregation of African-Americans, whether at a lunch counter or in the school system, that was, for her, like the prologue to the Nazi holocaust. Whereas many Jews now say, Never compare (Elie Wiesel’s refrain, ‘It’s bad, but it’s not The Holocaust’), my mother’s credo was, Always compare. She gladly and generously made the imaginative leap to those who were suffering, wrapping and shielding them in the embrace of her own suffering. For my mother, the Nazi holocaust was a chapter in the long history of the horror of war. It was not itself a war – she was emphatic that it was an extermination, not a war – but it was a unique chapter within the war. So for her, war was the ultimate horror. When she saw Vietnamese being bombed during the Vietnam War, it was the Nazi holocaust. It was the bombing, the death, the horror, the terror, that she herself had passed through. When she saw the distended bellies of starving children in Biafra, it was also the Nazi holocaust, because she remembered her own pangs of hunger in the Warsaw Ghetto. If you’re Jewish, it’s just normal that the Nazi holocaust is a ubiquitous, instinctual touchstone. Some Jews say this or that horror is not the Nazi holocaust, others say it is. But the reference point of the Nazi holocaust is a constant. What about when people who aren’t Jewish invoke the analogy? Once the Nazi holocaust became the cultural referent, then, if you wanted to touch a nerve regarding Palestinian suffering, you had to make the analogy with the Nazis, because that was the only thing that resonated for Jews. If you compared the Palestinians to Native Americans, nobody would give a darn. In 1982, when I and a handful of other Jews took to the streets of New York to protest Israel’s invasion of Lebanon (up to 18,000 Lebanese and Palestinians were killed, overwhelmingly civilians), I held a sign saying, ‘This son of survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Auschwitz, Maijdenek will not be silent: Israeli Nazis – Stop the Holocaust in Lebanon!’. (After my mother died, I found a picture of me holding that sign in a drawer among her keepsakes). I remember, as the cars drove past, one of the guys protesting with me kept saying, ‘hold the sign higher!’ (And I kept replying, ‘easy for you to say!’). If you invoked that analogy, it shook Jews, it jolted them enough, that at least you got their attention. I don’t think it’s necessary anymore, because Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians now have an integrity of their own. They no longer have to be juxtaposed to, or against, the Nazi holocaust. Today, the Nazi analogy is gratuitous and a distraction. Is it antisemitic? No, it’s just a weak historical analogy – but, if coming from a Jew, a generous moral one.