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Even if the law is being broken doesn't mean it's not happening.

The company I work for employ mainly Polish to do the jobs Britsh people always used to do. The idea that they do jobs British people don't want to do is just ******, they just do the job cheaper. That's why you get these business people predicting the end of the world if we leave. Means they might have to pay a bit more in wages.

I think that is what the Irish stupidly believed as well. They voted out, changes were made, then they held another referendum and voted in. At least a vote to leave would give the PM a decent hand when it comes to negotiating a better deal - last time he had the Polish leader telling us we have no option but to pay child benefit to kids in Poland.

Agree with this. A vote to leave is the ONLY way to get a reformed EU. Whichever way the vote goes we will still stay in the single market - market forces will dictate that IMO.

The remain campaign has to win the competition for most bull**** spouted by ****** politicians though surely? So far we have had leaving will mean World War 3, a recession, unemployment, house prices to fall, prices of other stuff to go up, wages to fall, interest rates to go up. It's all complete nonsense because the ****s who make this stuff up do not have a clue what sort of deal we will do with the EU post exit. The funny thing is Cameron said, before his negotiations with the other EU leaders, that he would only recommend we stayed in if there was reforms. Now, after a few almost irrelivant changes he is trying to convince us that the World will end if we leave.

No reason why they wouldn't.

This, they are all a bunch of self-serving assholes. I have yet to see a Brexit campaigner say that leaving might be bad for the economy. I have yet to see a Remain campaigner say that having uncontrolled immigration is not a good situation.

Those stats still don't mean low paid immigrants from Poland have paid their share towards the expensive services they use. How much tax would someone on minimum wage have paid if they have only been here 1-2 years?

Another year at the arse end of football, injury time goal as well. To ****ing funny for words

I've never said leaving will be a victory against big business, bankers and politicians - I've just said these people scaremongering have their own vested interests so don't vote IN just because they say so. When they say "very very bad" it probably means a few percent drop in their share portfolio, it doesn't mean the lives of you and me will be very very bad. They are not concerned with wether you have to wait an hour and a half for an ambulance, or wether a hard working young professional can't buy a house.

Why do we already do it for non EU people then? Maybe we should just let anyone from China in? I expect they will work for less than the Polish, Wetherspoons might be able to do a pint and burger for £2.

I used the tier 1 cap as an example, I would let in the people we need regardless of wether they were from India or France - it's not rocket science and other countries already do it.

You do understand that if we vote leave the people running the country will be the same? You make it sound like the Brexit campaign will storm into no10 and take over. Vote leave and one of two things will happen IMO; 1. Cameron will go back to the EU and actually get a decent offer of reform on the table and there will be a revote like Ireland and we will stay in a better EU. 2. We will negotiate a deal, stay in the common market, pay less in and have less control but have more control on immigration/ law etc.

I'd make EU people go through the same process as those from outside. I think at the moment we cap Tier 1 migrants from non EU countries to 1000, that is people of high-value (possessed of exceptional talent, highly skilled, high-net-worth investor, graduate entrepreneur), why stop these but let in anyone from Poland?

Control it and there doesn't need to be any negative impacts.

It's not rocket science, if we need the skills we let them in, if we don't we won't - this works in other countries. I'm not anti immigration just think we need some control. Wetherspoons can hire English people, I'm sure they would prefer a massive pool of cheap labour, it's not hard to understand why.

It's a made up figure because we don't have a ****ing clue how many people will turn up, or any way of controlling it. How do you suppose we plan our public services, or plan how many new houses to build?

I don't have much time for the political views of most of the Brexit campaign, I despise the Tories. This vote is nothing to do with all that red v blue ******, nothing to do with the personalities on each side. I just see the problems caused by mass immigration and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it whilst we are in the EU. Wether the economy is marginally better off or out is debatable but that is not the only issue at stake. What is the plan for providing housing and services for the extra 500k odd that will turn up each year if we choose to stay in? That's a city the size of southampton turning up this year, then another one next year, then another one in 2017. All the time we are making cuts to services because we are skint.

Of course they will run the place, doesn't mean we have to vote the way they say though. Their idea of armegadon is probably their share portfolio dropping a few percent - don't pretend for one moment that they give a **** about the problems caused by the housing crisis, overstretched services etc. The problems caused by mass uncontrolled immigration doesn't and never will effect people like this.

I don't think it will make a huge difference to anyone either way to be honest. Leave and there will obviously be some short term impact because markets don't like uncertainty but a deal will be struck and we will still be in the single market. There will be no labour shortage because we will let in who is needed either way. The more these bankers, politicians and big business leaders say we should stay the more I want to vote out. Of course they want an endless supply of cheap labour and a common market, they don't give a **** about the lives of normal people.

That's the big one sorted. Great news.

having to wait an hour and a half for an ambulance is very very bad, so is having to work for peanuts because there is an endless supply of cheap polish labour. So is having to pay through the nose to rent a house because of the housing crisis. These people said the same about joining the Euro but it all turned out to be nonsense, why listen to them now?

Exactly, a vote to leave is the only way to ever reform the EU. At the moment it is just an uncontrollable move towards a federal Europe, any one who thinks otherwise is ignoring what has happened over the last few decades. Vote leave if only to give Camron some leverage next time the Polish leader tells him we have to send child benefit to kids in his country.

I think Wanyamas disciplinary record will put off any of the really big boys and the money Prem clubs get now will mean many bigger clubs in Europe just won't be able to compete.

Your own link says that the UK would be the EU's single biggest market. "The UK is the EU’s largest single export market in goods, if you treat the UK as if it were outside the EU. The United States is a close second. They make up 16% and 15% of exports to non-EU countries respectively. This assumes exports to the UK would be the same if we weren’t an EU member." Yet you think we couldn't negotiate a deal better than Turkey.